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I do my best to hide the Predators turn 1 so that they can pop out and shoot things with kilshot strategem and an exalted sorcerer guiding them. I know most people are aghast that there is no Ahriman in this list, but to be honest, he wouldn't benefit anymore than an exalted on a disk. His purpose is to stay back and assist the predators by increasing their accuracy and healing them. Also, I like him having helm of the third eye, something Ahriman can't take. All of the Tzaangors (flying and on foot) charge up with the Demon Prince casting warptime and throwing the Tzaangors forward with Dark Matter Crystal. Rubrics screen the predators if there is a potential melee alpha strike threat, or in most other cases, they sit on objectives. I would love to hear your thoughts! Thanks in advance.


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2,000 points
14 drops
8 command points



BATTALION DETACHMENT

HQ
Exalted Sorcerer on Disk of Tzeentch (Warlord - High Magister) {Temporal Manipulation, Prescience} - Helm of the Third Eye [141]
Demon Prince of Tzeentch With Wings {Warptime, Weaver of Fates} - Dark Matter Crystal, 2x malefic talons [180]

TROOPS
Tzaangors (30) - Brayhorn, icon of flame [225]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]
Rubric Marines (5) {Tzeentch’s Firestorm} [107]

ELITES
Tzaangor Shaman {Glamour of Tzeentch} [90]
Tzaangor Shaman {Glamour of Tzeentch} [90]

FAST ATTACK
Tzaangor Enlightened (9) - 9x fatecaster greatbows [153]
Tzaangor Enlightened (9) - 9x fatecaster greatbows [153]

HEAVY SUPPORT
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]
Predator - Predator autocannon, 2x lascannons [180]


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are you playing narrative? you cant cast more than 1 time same power in matched

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No, this is matched play. All of the casters with identical powers (aspiring sorcerers and shamans) are only able to cast 1 spell each turn, which will mostly be smite. Tzeentch's Firestorm and Glamour of Tzeentch are there as options.
   
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yes but you cant cast in multiple so what's reason to give them? btw i would take Ahriman omn disk instead exalted sorcerer, or take out a rubric squad and take a 2nd Dp, and if you really plan to waste 141pts baby sitting predators then play a sorcerer on foot, rubrics on foot are dead meat, i dont know whit who you play usually but that cant work, then of course depend by level of play you have.

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@blackmage a few things:

1. I already explained why it doesn't matter that I can't cast the same spell twice. The answer is smite. Smite is the priority spell and can be cast without penalty due to the brotherhood of sorcerers. I give aspiring sorcerers tzeentch's firestorm and shamans the glamour of tzeentch because they are the only spells in the discipline of change that synergies well with the rest of the army.

2. In regards to using Ahriman instead of an exalted sorcerer on disk, that was also explained, in the original post. The exalted sorcerer's purpose is to stay back and assist the predators with a re-roll 1's aura, prescience and temporal manipulation, while generating command points with helm of the third eye. The benefits for using Ahriman are an improved invulnerable save (he's probably not getting shot at), +1 to cast (already have with warlord trait), +1 deny (he won't be in range to deny things), and can cast/deny a third spell. I'd rather be generating command points and saving 15 points, but I would love to hear your reasoning for me using Ahriman instead.

Being an exalted on a disk instead of a sorcerer on foot is important for 4 reasons: The 12" move is to keep up with the 12" move of the predators, he has a bit more survivability to justify making him my warlord, regular sorcerers don't have a re-roll 1's to hit aura, and in the case that the predators die (very likely) and he has to find new tasks, he will be able to get in range much quicker.

3. "Rubrics on foot are dead meat?" I know you're not suggesting that they sit in a rhino where they can't cast or deny spells or shoot are you? I know you're not suggesting that a t4 2+ 4++ against most guns is dead meat. "Can't work?" Their purpose is to grab objectives and screen my predators from alpha strikes. They do that very well. But hell, if the enemy wants to target the rubrics instead of the 30 tzaangors in their frontline turn 1, then by all means, kill a few.
   
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i think you need to face some serious list piloted by competent players, then you can understand what i meant, i play high competitive tournaments and a list like that just cant work against top lists out there, i would love to face a list like yours with mine i would pull an easy win (been there done that various times), i was just trying to give you some head ups but you look very confident already and that s a great thing, so i wish you goo luck.
PS: rubrics on foot are dead meat,
Btw the list is good for a pure Ts just not kind of list i would play in competitive right now, imho.

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TSons mages are among the best mages of the game.

They could, and should hit enemies hard with their powers, not cowarding back like a loyalist lieutenant.

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We're just going to have to disagree on this
   
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Really? Four squads of rubrics all with the same spell?

IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options

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 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
Really? Four squads of rubrics all with the same spell?

IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options

same things i already told him

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If you really want to focus on smite why don’t you take something like this (not 100% sure on points):
Ahriman on disc
3 daemon princes with wings
Magnus
3 tzaangor shamens
30 tzaangors
2 x 10 cultists
As many enlightened as you can for in

Predators are bad even with kill shot. Just ram the tzaangors and Magnus (not warlord) don’t your opponent’s throat whilst the rest of your army moves up.
   
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 blackmage wrote:
 McMagnus Mindbullets wrote:
Really? Four squads of rubrics all with the same spell?

IMO, a 1 mortal wound smite is just not as good as the other options. It would be far better to drop the four squads of five more more tzaangors or cultists, especially as you mentioned screening for the preds.

I don't know why Ahriman ISNT in your list. He is just far far superior to the single exalted sorc. Tell me when paying 15 points for an extra spell, attack, invun and 3 damage isn't worth it.

Try and vary your spells. Duplicates of good ones is not optimal. You only get 1 chance to cast it anyway. It's better to leave your options open than shut them away. Even if you smite more than anything else, a second option to cast a spell is better.

Rubrics get cleared too quickly, its not hard to shift them. and if you peril the squad is basically gone. It would be better to get access to a soulreaper in squads of 10 at least.

But hey, if that's what works for you, go ahead. I just think it could be far better if you took the better options

same things i already told him

Players are people, they have emotion and pride.

A Thousand sons player refuse to admit Rubrics are weak, that is common and normal. However, they are really weak.

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wont admit a unit is weak is not pride ,means ur not ready to play competitive and better then if you play what you like in narrative games.

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Drop all the Marines, change the Exaltet Sorcerer with Ahriman, take two units of 10 Cultists, another unit of 9 Tzzangor Enlightened and a second Deamon Prince with the Helm.
And then drop the Predators for Magnus, possible not the strongest List in the game, but maybe the best, what youn can set up in a Thousand Son only list.
   
 
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