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Originally I wanted to make a militarum tempestus army, however the store didnt have any scions or taurox primes's so I had to start off with primaris space marines. But back then I didnt know much about their lore and what equipment they use since there are different companies like the 54th Psian Jackals. I was wondering if they are any good, for both game and lore wise so I can make them my 2nd army in the late future. And is it also possible to create your own militarum tempestus company, battalion, with their own color scheme, lore, equipment they use in battle like Plasma, and etc.

You can paint and make up fluff for your dudes as much as you want, you just have to pick the MILITARUM TEMPESTUS keyword on your army list.

They're pretty awesome whether you want to do Suicide Drops or full squads and giving them orders.

Three start collecting boxes is enough to build a 1000 point army. It’s my first army that I am creating. You get the benefits of troop with deepstrike they look cool, and, if you’re like me, you can later add them to a another force. When I have the money, I’m hoping to do Raven Guard Space Marines with my Scions. The close/medium range firepower is excellent with the long range of the Raven Guard.

Isn't the Commissar in the Box kind of a waste of space?

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Isn't the Commissar in the Box kind of a waste of space?

Perhaps a little bit, but you basically get him for free compared to the other cost of the other units added up. Besides, you could sell him as Commissar NOS, or if you are like me, make him a lord commissar with powerfist, and make him a mini beatstick.

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Isn't the Commissar in the Box kind of a waste of space?

Perhaps a little bit, but you basically get him for free compared to the other cost of the other units added up. Besides, you could sell him as Commissar NOS, or if you are like me, make him a lord commissar with powerfist, and make him a mini beatstick.

Can one make him the warlord and give him Voice of Command? If so, could such character order Scions?
Can commissars belong to a scion detachment and allow the use of the Tempestus doctrine?

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

 Kaiyanwang wrote:
Isn't the Commissar in the Box kind of a waste of space?

Perhaps a little bit, but you basically get him for free compared to the other cost of the other units added up. Besides, you could sell him as Commissar NOS, or if you are like me, make him a lord commissar with powerfist, and make him a mini beatstick.

Can one make him the warlord and give him Voice of Command? If so, could such character order Scions?
Can commissars belong to a scion detachment and allow the use of the Tempestus doctrine?

I believe that is how it works for Voice of Command

People will argue that you can’t get the doctrine, but most people think that RAI allows the Scions to have their doctrine.


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It would be pretty dumb if they gave you a unit you had to tak in a whole different detachment, you know?

 Apple Peel wrote:

It would be pretty dumb if they gave you a unit you had to tak in a whole different detachment, you know?

GW has a consistent history of doing incredibly dumb things, or just not caring about stuff that is not Marines or Eldar

 Kaiyanwang wrote:

 Apple Peel wrote:

It would be pretty dumb if they gave you a unit you had to tak in a whole different detachment, you know?

GW has a consistent history of doing incredibly dumb thing, or just not caring about stuff that is not Marines or Eldar

Yeah, but GW still puts out FAQs for each army.

Pretty sure you have to take all Scions to get the Scion bonus. That said, its not all that powerful, so skipping it is hardly a big deal.

 LunarSol wrote:
Pretty sure you have to take all Scions to get the Scion bonus. That said, its not all that powerful, so skipping it is hardly a big deal.

Well I know that if you take the guys like psykers or ogryn they have a rule to where they do not interfere with regiment bonuses. I would think this would apply to tempestus scions as well. I agree on their bonus. Free shots are free shots for their plasma spam, but it only being at half range is killer for their basic guns. :(

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Pretty sure you have to take all Scions to get the Scion bonus. That said, its not all that powerful, so skipping it is hardly a big deal.

Well I know that if you take the guys like psykers or ogryn they have a rule to where they do not interfere with regiment bonuses. I would think this would apply to tempestus scions as well. I agree on their bonus. Free shots are free shots for their plasma spam, but it only being at half range is killer for their basic guns. :(

Nope, Auxiliary make Scions lose their regimental doctrine. It sucks but... meh.

 Galas wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Pretty sure you have to take all Scions to get the Scion bonus. That said, its not all that powerful, so skipping it is hardly a big deal.

Well I know that if you take the guys like psykers or ogryn they have a rule to where they do not interfere with regiment bonuses. I would think this would apply to tempestus scions as well. I agree on their bonus. Free shots are free shots for their plasma spam, but it only being at half range is killer for their basic guns. :(

Nope, Auxiliary make Scions lose their regimental doctrine. It sucks but... meh.

Yeah that does suck! Well thank you for correcting me on that though ^^;;. The only real loss for that would be you needing to take psykers from and outside detachment instead, but yeah that would be really lame for a full scion force.

 Galas wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:
Pretty sure you have to take all Scions to get the Scion bonus. That said, its not all that powerful, so skipping it is hardly a big deal.

Well I know that if you take the guys like psykers or ogryn they have a rule to where they do not interfere with regiment bonuses. I would think this would apply to tempestus scions as well. I agree on their bonus. Free shots are free shots for their plasma spam, but it only being at half range is killer for their basic guns. :(

Nope, Auxiliary make Scions lose their regimental doctrine. It sucks but... meh.

Are you sure on that? The wording is kind of vague and can be argued both ways.

I don't want to do a full rule quote but it states on page 132 of the codex: Tempestus units do not benefit from a doctrine unless all units are classed as tempestus.

Directly below that however, it notes with Advisors and Auxilia: The units listed below can be used in an AM detachment without preventing other units in the detachment from gaining a doctrine.

So the question arises - does the specific rule on Militarum Tempestus override the specific rule exemption for Auxilia. I always read it as the Auxilia rule overriding the Scion rule, though this might be the 6/7th codex bleeding into my memory where Valkyrie and Commissars were specifically stated as working with and being in the Scion army.

I don't play imperial Guard but I'm slowly building a Bullgryn+Tempestus Scions force. I had the same question, and I asked two competitive imperial guard players, and they both told me that using "auxilia" units in your Tempestus Scions don't allow you to use the regimental doctrine.

I'll go read the Imperial Guard FAQ, maybe they explain it there.

EDIT: Nope, nothing.

I just did a search and apparently this debate has come up more than once on here, reddit, etc. Unless/Until GW puts out a faq specifying this exactly, it would probably be easiest to show your play group page 132 of your codex and say "hey, which way do you guys want to play this?"

The issue is under "Regimental Doctrines" it notes that all units must have <regiment> (apart from exceptions noted opposite).

Under those exceptions are Militarum Tempestus, which has the same note on "must have <tempestus> tag, but lacks the parenthesis stating exceptions opposite.

Then under Auxilia, it notes it can be in an Astra Militarum detachment without removing their doctrine. All Militarum Tempestus units have the Astra Militarum key word.

So the question arises - do you treat Tempestus like any other regiment, since Auxilia specifically states that they do not remove doctrines, or do you note that Tempestus don't have the sidenote in parenthesis noting exemptions exist.

I had a mate who used to scion drop plasma like there was no tomorrow and it basically nuked anything I had as a mek ork force.

For people not wanting to waste the commissar, I converted mine into a tempestor prime by putting the primes coat on them and swapping the pistol for a command rod