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2018/07/02 15:18:50
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
2018/07/02 15:33:31
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
Fragile wrote: If it ignores cover, then jorm has no effect.
This. Jormangundr spells out they receive the benefit of cover. If a weapon ignores cover, it ignores the Jormangundr trait.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2018/07/02 17:27:31
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
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2018/07/02 18:48:42
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
That seems to be the issue facing these frequent faqs
2018/07/02 20:32:32
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
I know the AdMech FAQ addressed this same question with regards to the Shroudpsalm Canticle granting cover. It's a little ridiculous it even needs to be addressed IMO.
2000 Militarum Tempestus
Elbows wrote: I think it's pretty telling that almost no one on this board has ever stated or encountered people actually trying to pull off nonsense like this. So it really boils down to epeenery.
2018/07/02 22:29:34
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
I know the AdMech FAQ addressed this same question with regards to the Shroudpsalm Canticle granting cover. It's a little ridiculous it even needs to be addressed IMO.
Hey, they had to address that not moving counted as moving less than half. Pedantry knows no bounds when it comes to a slight rules advantage!
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2018/07/02 22:40:41
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
I know the AdMech FAQ addressed this same question with regards to the Shroudpsalm Canticle granting cover. It's a little ridiculous it even needs to be addressed IMO.
Hey, they had to address that not moving counted as moving less than half. Pedantry knows no bounds when it comes to a slight rules advantage!
Just recently I've seen someone claim that a Flyer had to turn at least a fraction of a degree before moving...
'It is a source of constant consternation that my opponents cannot correlate their innate inferiority with their inevitable defeat. It would seem that stupidity is as eternal as war.'
- Nemesor Zahndrekh of the Sautekh Dynasty Overlord of the Crownworld of Gidrim
2018/07/02 22:43:15
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
mhalko1 wrote: Does a hive fleet jormungandr model receive the benefit of cover if they are shot with a weapon that ignores the benefit of cover? My thinking is that the weapon would ignore the hive fleet rule whereas my opponent seems to think the unit always has the benefit of cover even if shot with said weapon.
If it ignores cover, it ignores any rule that gives the benefit of cover, whether that is actually cover or not. There was an FAQ about it somewhere but it's not in the Rulebook or Tyranid one and I am not in the mood to trawl through 20+ documents for a question that should be in the Core Rulebook FAQ.
I know the AdMech FAQ addressed this same question with regards to the Shroudpsalm Canticle granting cover. It's a little ridiculous it even needs to be addressed IMO.
Hey, they had to address that not moving counted as moving less than half. Pedantry knows no bounds when it comes to a slight rules advantage!
Just recently I've seen someone claim that a Flyer had to turn at least a fraction of a degree before moving...
Egads. Some folk.
Stormonu wrote: For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules"
2018/07/02 22:57:59
Subject: Jormungandr vs ignore the benefit of cover weapons
2000 Militarum Tempestus
