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2018/07/04 20:54:21
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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Does anyone watch this series? I just got into it and I think it’s pretty good.
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2018/07/05 08:30:11
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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He's good, but he's not a touch on Michael Gambon from the 90's.
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2018/07/06 03:55:12
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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I saw an advertisement for this here in the US and, having only seen Atkinson in comedic roles, did a literal spit take (I never knew watching PBS at dinner time was so risky). Is he any good in it? Is the show itself any good? I didn't really watch much of the Michael Gambon version when it first aired, and now it's hard to find over here. Should I consider watching this, or should I spend the effort to track down a copy of the 90's version?
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2018/07/06 12:08:23
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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[MOD]
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The aesthetics and production design are very good. It completely looks and sounds like Paris in the 1950s
It's actually a bit jarring when they pronounce names in French, because the rest of the dialogue is entirely in English with Britich accents. Accents are always difficult to handle in foreign language material.
I'm not 100% convinced by Atkinson in the title role. He's certainly good, but I think he's done so much comedy that it's impossible to see him as a pure dramatic actor. I think the role may grow around him, if they do some more productions. David Suchet came to completely inhabite Hercule Poirot.
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2018/07/06 12:24:15
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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I was about to disagree with you about him growing into the role, but then I remembered there's 70+ Maigret stories, so it's possible if it ever gets off the ground like Poirot did.
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2018/07/07 00:49:38
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Oh they're doing the English accents thing? Eh, I suppose it's better than them all putting on some 'allo 'allo-style monstrosity, but I could never get into the Branagh version of Wallander because of the weirdness of English accents everywhere in Sweden.
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2018/07/07 03:34:32
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Kilkrazy wrote:The aesthetics and production design are very good. It completely looks and sounds like Paris in the 1950s
It's actually a bit jarring when they pronounce names in French, because the rest of the dialogue is entirely in English with Britich accents. Accents are always difficult to handle in foreign language material.
I'm not 100% convinced by Atkinson in the title role. He's certainly good, but I think he's done so much comedy that it's impossible to see him as a pure dramatic actor.
Funny story, when House was a big deal over here I couldn't do anything but chuckle when people would squee about Hugh Laurie and his 'dramatic acting.' I could never get over Black Adder's idiot sidekick Percy trying to be a 'for serious' actor, an educated doctor, and an American simultaneously. It was just too big an ask.
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2018/07/07 03:47:49
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine
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Voss wrote: Kilkrazy wrote:The aesthetics and production design are very good. It completely looks and sounds like Paris in the 1950s
It's actually a bit jarring when they pronounce names in French, because the rest of the dialogue is entirely in English with Britich accents. Accents are always difficult to handle in foreign language material.
I'm not 100% convinced by Atkinson in the title role. He's certainly good, but I think he's done so much comedy that it's impossible to see him as a pure dramatic actor.
Funny story, when House was a big deal over here I couldn't do anything but chuckle when people would squee about Hugh Laurie and his 'dramatic acting.' I could never get over Black Adder's idiot sidekick Percy trying to be a 'for serious' actor, an educated doctor, and an American simultaneously. It was just too big an ask.
Oh, snap! Hugh Laurie has been doing drama over here in the US for so long I'd completely forgotten he was Lt. George! Heck, if he can pull off the switch from comedy to drama that well, maybe Atkinson can, too. I think I just convinced myself to give this a watch.
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2018/07/07 11:24:01
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
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Voss wrote:I could never get over Black Adder's idiot sidekick Percy trying to be a 'for serious' actor, an educated doctor, and an American simultaneously. It was just too big an ask.
Percy was Tim McInnerny's character. Hugh Laurie was George.
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2018/07/07 11:55:58
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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[MOD]
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Hugh Laurie also played an excellent Bertie Wooster opposite Stephen Fry in the Jeeves and Wooster TV series,
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2018/07/07 12:36:20
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Terrifying Doombull
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Duskweaver wrote:Voss wrote:I could never get over Black Adder's idiot sidekick Percy trying to be a 'for serious' actor, an educated doctor, and an American simultaneously. It was just too big an ask.
Percy was Tim McInnerny's character. Hugh Laurie was George.
Fair enough. Same principle applies, though.
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2018/07/07 13:56:49
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
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Sir Lenny Henry has done some very good dramatic roles.
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2018/07/07 23:10:07
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yodhrin wrote:Oh they're doing the English accents thing? Eh, I suppose it's better than them all putting on some 'allo 'allo-style monstrosity, but I could never get into the Branagh version of Wallander because of the weirdness of English accents everywhere in Sweden.
You realise the allo-allo style accents were send ups right? The Germans as over the top shouters, the British as Cambridge fops etc? Only Michelle had anything close to a correct French accent.
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2018/07/08 00:16:59
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Stone Bonkers Fabricator General
We'll find out soon enough eh.
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Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Yodhrin wrote:Oh they're doing the English accents thing? Eh, I suppose it's better than them all putting on some 'allo 'allo-style monstrosity, but I could never get into the Branagh version of Wallander because of the weirdness of English accents everywhere in Sweden.
You realise the allo-allo style accents were send ups right? The Germans as over the top shouters, the British as Cambridge fops etc? Only Michelle had anything close to a correct French accent.
Other than stating the patently obvious, what's your point? Does them being purposefully bad mean they weren't bad? Does them being purposefully bad mean they actually would have been better than just not doing accents at all in this show? Does the fact that the most obvious and easily understood cultural touchstone in the UK for bad French accents in a TV show is a comedy farce somehow make most English-speaking actors any better at putting on foreign accents even when they're doing it seriously?
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I have a blog now, evidently. Featuring the Alternative Mordheim Model Megalist.
"Your society's broken, so who should we blame? Should we blame the rich, powerful people who caused it? No, lets blame the people with no power and no money and those immigrants who don't even have the vote. Yea, it must be their fething fault." - Iain M Banks
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal |
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2018/07/08 12:20:12
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yodhrin wrote: Inquisitor Gideon wrote: Yodhrin wrote:Oh they're doing the English accents thing? Eh, I suppose it's better than them all putting on some 'allo 'allo-style monstrosity, but I could never get into the Branagh version of Wallander because of the weirdness of English accents everywhere in Sweden.
You realise the allo-allo style accents were send ups right? The Germans as over the top shouters, the British as Cambridge fops etc? Only Michelle had anything close to a correct French accent.
Other than stating the patently obvious, what's your point? Does them being purposefully bad mean they weren't bad? Does them being purposefully bad mean they actually would have been better than just not doing accents at all in this show? Does the fact that the most obvious and easily understood cultural touchstone in the UK for bad French accents in a TV show is a comedy farce somehow make most English-speaking actors any better at putting on foreign accents even when they're doing it seriously?
Well, other than calling you out as [Language, Timothy! edited by Kilkrazy] the idea of comedy accents has obviously gone over your head. Which is impressive considering how simple an idea the show actually is. They're bad because it's farcical and that adds to the already absurd nature of the series. The German names ring any bells? Seriously, stop being so damn confronational all the time.
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2018/07/08 13:23:13
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Fixture of Dakka
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You're literally just restating his point, maybe read the post in its entirety before posting.
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2018/07/08 18:41:09
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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A very long time ago I saw a Cold War spy film which naturally involved a lot of characters speaking Russian.
The way they did the accents was to have the actors start each scene speaking Russian with English subtitles, then it faded over to speaking English with western accents. It was actually quite effective.
However Maigret is a different situation. About 99% of the dialogue would be in French. There are a few scenes involving for example Czechoslovak characters, who in the production speak Czech. But basically it is a French language scenario which has to be played out for an English-speaking audience using British actors.
I can't see a way to do it without it being in English, and if it's in English it should be done in natural sounding English accents -- which is how they have done it. No "haw hee haw hee haw.."
But then it sounds slightly odd when a character says Montmartre, Arc du Triomphe, Les Tuileries and so on, because suddenly he has to say French words in a proper French accent.
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2018/07/08 20:15:54
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Ghost of Greed and Contempt
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I watched it last time they were on TV, and thought they were quite good - I've not seen the originals, so I can't compare, but I thought Atkinson did really well in a serious, subtle role.
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2018/07/08 20:23:32
Subject: Re:Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Master Engineer with a Brace of Pistols
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I’m surprised at the level of interest this thread generated. I’m hoping to watch all the episodes so far, and the Gambon one too.
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2018/07/10 14:18:36
Subject: Rowan Atkinson as Maigret
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Assassin with Black Lotus Poison
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Kilkrazy wrote:Hugh Laurie also played an excellent Bertie Wooster opposite Stephen Fry in the Jeeves and Wooster TV series,
Laurie and Fry were spot on perfect casting in Jeeves and Wooster.
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