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So the Inquisition have made a trade with xenos races in order to get them to Terra to see if they can save the golden throne from failing. I smell GW laying the groundwork for bringing back the Emperor. Xenos come and see the throne and try to fix it and bing bang boom they say 'ah we can bring him back you know' lol. Even if they don't bring him back, which they probably will its GW they want the cheddar, its still a good plot twist the inquisition asking xenos for help.

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My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.

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 Mr Nobody wrote:
My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.


They didn't just seek the dark eldars help, they made bargains with many xenos species, its just the Dark Eldar was the only one that they could get to Terra.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Mr Nobody wrote:
My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.


They didn't just seek the dark eldars help, they made bargains with many xenos races, its just the Dark Eldar was the only one that they could get to Terra.


the dark eldar bit was a dnagling plothook from the 6th edition admech codex IIRC. and as said, the entire point of the novel was "thats a dead end. golden throne is still failing"

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Mr Nobody wrote:
My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.


They didn't just seek the dark eldars help, they made bargains with many xenos races, its just the Dark Eldar was the only one that they could get to Terra.


the dark eldar bit was a dnagling plothook from the 6th edition admech codex IIRC. and as said, the entire point of the novel was "thats a dead end. golden throne is still failing"


No it wasn't, only the Dark Eldar said he was doomed. Other races could find a way. Its your opinion that 'that's a dead end', not the entire point of the book. Otherwise they wouldn't have made bargains with other xenos.
   
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Yet we have the Ynnari in Gathering Storm claiming the very same as Dark eldar.

So we need an ally vs Chaos, Mankind... use Ynnead power to reborn the Emperor back to life? nah it's a dead corpse, Gullimian it's a better candidate.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Mr Nobody wrote:
My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.


They didn't just seek the dark eldars help, they made bargains with many xenos races, its just the Dark Eldar was the only one that they could get to Terra.


the dark eldar bit was a dnagling plothook from the 6th edition admech codex IIRC. and as said, the entire point of the novel was "thats a dead end. golden throne is still failing"


No it wasn't, only the Dark Eldar said he was doomed. Other races could find a way. Its your opinion that 'that's a dead end', not the entire point of the book. Otherwise they wouldn't have made bargains with other xenos.


which Xenos though are going to have the expertise to fix it? The Necrons? what could the IoM offer them? the Eldar? The Eldar have already dimissed the idea of helping. the Tau? yeah no. Orks? LOL

yeah no Xenos is gonna wave their magic wand and fix THIS.

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
BrianDavion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Mr Nobody wrote:
My takeaway from the book was: The xenos lied, there is no solution, your god will die and there is no hope left. The end. I personally enjoyed a 40k book that really embraced the hopelessness of the setting.

On the bright side, even the dark eldar are impressed by the golden throne. Nice to know they're jealous.


They didn't just seek the dark eldars help, they made bargains with many xenos races, its just the Dark Eldar was the only one that they could get to Terra.


the dark eldar bit was a dnagling plothook from the 6th edition admech codex IIRC. and as said, the entire point of the novel was "thats a dead end. golden throne is still failing"


No it wasn't, only the Dark Eldar said he was doomed. Other races could find a way. Its your opinion that 'that's a dead end', not the entire point of the book. Otherwise they wouldn't have made bargains with other xenos.


which Xenos though are going to have the expertise to fix it? The Necrons? what could the IoM offer them? the Eldar? The Eldar have already dimissed the idea of helping. the Tau? yeah no. Orks? LOL

yeah no Xenos is gonna wave their magic wand and fix THIS.


I don't think he should ever be brought back, it would be horrible for the lore same with the thought of bringing Sanguinius back etc. My question is, is GW planning on bringing him back, we all know what they are like, anything for a buck.


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Is Carrion Throne stand alone or are there books I should read first?


Its stand alone. Its a terrible book though badly written and extremely boring.

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They brought back Nagash and gave him a horribly OP TT model. I can't imagine how horrible the Emperor will be on the TT. As a model would be the primary reason to bring him back.

Lore wise, I can't imagine they could bring him back. Guilleman took quite a bit of effort and a special armor and he was still alive in a stasis field, meanwhile what we see of the Emperor is a decaying corpse with a spirit attached. Its an entirely different level of techo-wizardry and hand waving. Although the HH series put down some groundwork when discussing Grammaticus and Vulcan. The Emperor might be some sort of super perpetual so if he dies he can get back up, but then the theory is he can't because the few hours he is dead it would seriously screw over the Imperium. But now that GW killed the Astronomicon for a bit that seems to be less of a concern?

As for Sanguinius hints have been dropped that he could be resurrected, the BA books by Swallow touch on it a little. But back then that was just on the same level as Guilleman slowly healing inside a stasis field. But with Guilleman back up, all bets are off.

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
They brought back Nagash and gave him a horribly OP TT model. I can't imagine how horrible the Emperor will be on the TT. As a model would be the primary reason to bring him back.

Lore wise, I can't imagine they could bring him back. Guilleman took quite a bit of effort and a special armor and he was still alive in a stasis field, meanwhile what we see of the Emperor is a decaying corpse with a spirit attached. Its an entirely different level of techo-wizardry and hand waving. Although the HH series put down some groundwork when discussing Grammaticus and Vulcan. The Emperor might be some sort of super perpetual so if he dies he can get back up, but then the theory is he can't because the few hours he is dead it would seriously screw over the Imperium. But now that GW killed the Astronomicon for a bit that seems to be less of a concern?

As for Sanguinius hints have been dropped that he could be resurrected, the BA books by Swallow touch on it a little. But back then that was just on the same level as Guilleman slowly healing inside a stasis field. But with Guilleman back up, all bets are off.


He is a perpetual, the Primarchs all got their gifts from him, but perpetuals can die, as he kinda did, so that won't save him, the only thing that has any validity would be the star child theory or the resurrection, but then he'd have to grow up again and in that time the Astronomican would fail and Chaos would already win.. Bringing him back the way Girlyman came back would be a terrible Ex-Machina, though I doubt GW would care, they already done it with Girlyman which was terribly written. Yeah Sanguinius is just as bad an idea as reviving the Emperor, and GW are laying the groundwork so I think they probably will bring back the Emperor and all the other dead Primarchs, Horus too, it'll be a sad day for the lore. Think about the Primaris marines, GW don't really care about all us players that have been collecting since 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. They could have just brought out true scale marines with new armour, this whole Primaris thing, the streamlining etc. is for the future players.

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Perpetuals can die, but it seems something very special is needed for that, even Vulcan came back yet again. Besides, the Emperor is technically not dead right? I have no clue what state of alive a perpetual has to be in for it not to kick in yet. The Emperor is still holding on for dear life because he kinda has to.

I thought that they tossed the star child theory, its never brought up again (wasn't the last mention of it 4th or 5th edition?) and the perpetual thing seems to have taken the place of primary ressurection myth.

As for terrible, bad writing is as common at GW as good writing, so yeah they probably already have some over the top silly plan for his revival in case of emergency.

At least Horus has some reason behind it. Fabius Bile has been shown to be able to clone Horus, but Abaddon would probably go ape on any attempt. I'm surprised they haven't brought back someone like say Russ or Vulcan, no clear death and easy enough. Maybe they will have been satisfied with one for the time being? Although with the daemon primarchs coming they might want to offset each daemon primarch with a returned primarch. Horus and Cruze are dead, just like Ferrus and Sanguinius, but an equal 7 are both still 'alive' on each side. Still waiting on the Lion really, that seemed to be happening for a while and suddenly it was Guilleman.

The Primaris thing is a bit silly, makes all my SM and CSM models look like midgets now

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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Perpetuals can die, but it seems something very special is needed for that, even Vulcan came back yet again. Besides, the Emperor is technically not dead right? I have no clue what state of alive a perpetual has to be in for it not to kick in yet. The Emperor is still holding on for dear life because he kinda has to.

I thought that they tossed the star child theory, its never brought up again amd the perpetual thing seems to have taken the place of primary ressurection myth.

As for terrible, bad writing is as common at GW as good writing, so yeah they probably already have some over the top silly plan for his revival in case of emergency.

At least Horus has some reason behind it. Fabius Bile has been shown to be able to clone Horus, but Abaddon would probably go ape on any attempt. I'm surprised they haven't brought back someone like say Russ or Vulcan, no clear death and easy enough. Maybe they will have been satisfied with one for the time being? Although with the daemon primarchs coming they might want to offset each daemon primarch with a returned primarch. Horus and Cruze are dead, just like Ferrus and Sanguinius, but an equal 7 are both still 'alive' on each side. Still waiting on the Lion really, that seemed to be happening for a while and suddenly it was Guilleman.


The fight between Horus and the Emperor hasn't been written, maybe Chaos gave him some boon or artifact that allowed him to die. Vulkan can die by the fulgurite, he survived but maybe you need a kill shot with it, he was only stabbed in one of his hearts. Nah I wouldn't like 'any' of the dead Primarchs to come back even though bringing back Cruze would be cool, Horus can't come back though all Fabius' work was destroyed by Abaddon. I'd love Russ to be next, just cause I can't wait to see what he makes of the Trickster, I think they'll get along like a house on fire, the Space Wolves have lost their humour lol

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Perpetuals can die, but it seems something very special is needed for that, even Vulcan came back yet again. Besides, the Emperor is technically not dead right? I have no clue what state of alive a perpetual has to be in for it not to kick in yet. The Emperor is still holding on for dear life because he kinda has to.

I thought that they tossed the star child theory, its never brought up again amd the perpetual thing seems to have taken the place of primary ressurection myth.

As for terrible, bad writing is as common at GW as good writing, so yeah they probably already have some over the top silly plan for his revival in case of emergency.

At least Horus has some reason behind it. Fabius Bile has been shown to be able to clone Horus, but Abaddon would probably go ape on any attempt. I'm surprised they haven't brought back someone like say Russ or Vulcan, no clear death and easy enough. Maybe they will have been satisfied with one for the time being? Although with the daemon primarchs coming they might want to offset each daemon primarch with a returned primarch. Horus and Cruze are dead, just like Ferrus and Sanguinius, but an equal 7 are both still 'alive' on each side. Still waiting on the Lion really, that seemed to be happening for a while and suddenly it was Guilleman.


The fight between Horus and the Emperor hasn't been written, maybe Chaos gave him some boon or artifact that allowed him to die. Vulkan can die by the fulgurite, he survived but maybe you need a kill shot with it, he was only stabbed in one of his hearts. Nah I wouldn't like 'any' of the dead Primarchs to come back even though bringing back Cruze would be cool, Horus can't come back though all Fabius' work was destroyed by Abaddon.

True, they might change it up.

As for the fulgrite, that isn't the case anymore. Vulkan died to the fulgrite, but then Numeon sacrificed himself in a vulcano so he came back (seriously I wish that was a joke), although the fulgrite remained stuck in his chest. It makes little sense, the fulgrite killed Vulkan, untill it didn't... All other times Vulkan gets back up in minutes, so this time he was supposedly actually dead, so does that open the door that another's lifeforce can force the ressurection of a dead perpetual or what?

Yeah Curze would be an impossible sell to bring back, must be a sack of bones by now, although Bile can easily be handwaved by saying he had a back up to his work, would be incredibly boring to do twice though. I hope they don't bring more back, but the current books are building up the return of Mortarion and Fulgrim to realspace, so GW might want ro balance them out if they get models.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is Carrion Throne stand alone or are there books I should read first?


Its stand alone. Its a terrible book though badly written and extremely boring.


That's a shame, I usually like imperial intrigue.

 
   
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 Disciple of Fate wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
 Disciple of Fate wrote:
Perpetuals can die, but it seems something very special is needed for that, even Vulcan came back yet again. Besides, the Emperor is technically not dead right? I have no clue what state of alive a perpetual has to be in for it not to kick in yet. The Emperor is still holding on for dear life because he kinda has to.

I thought that they tossed the star child theory, its never brought up again amd the perpetual thing seems to have taken the place of primary ressurection myth.

As for terrible, bad writing is as common at GW as good writing, so yeah they probably already have some over the top silly plan for his revival in case of emergency.

At least Horus has some reason behind it. Fabius Bile has been shown to be able to clone Horus, but Abaddon would probably go ape on any attempt. I'm surprised they haven't brought back someone like say Russ or Vulcan, no clear death and easy enough. Maybe they will have been satisfied with one for the time being? Although with the daemon primarchs coming they might want to offset each daemon primarch with a returned primarch. Horus and Cruze are dead, just like Ferrus and Sanguinius, but an equal 7 are both still 'alive' on each side. Still waiting on the Lion really, that seemed to be happening for a while and suddenly it was Guilleman.


The fight between Horus and the Emperor hasn't been written, maybe Chaos gave him some boon or artifact that allowed him to die. Vulkan can die by the fulgurite, he survived but maybe you need a kill shot with it, he was only stabbed in one of his hearts. Nah I wouldn't like 'any' of the dead Primarchs to come back even though bringing back Cruze would be cool, Horus can't come back though all Fabius' work was destroyed by Abaddon.

True, they might change it up.

As for the fulgrite, that isn't the case anymore. Vulkan died to the fulgrite, but then Numeon sacrificed himself in a vulcano so he came back (seriously I wish that was a joke), although the fulgrite remained stuck in his chest. It makes little sense, the fulgrite killed Vulkan, untill it didn't... All other times Vulkan gets back up in minutes, so this time he was supposedly actually dead, so does that open the door that another's lifeforce can force the ressurection of a dead perpetual or what?

Yeah Curze would be an impossible sell to bring back, must be a sack of bones by now, although Bile can easily be handwaved by saying he had a back up to his work, would be incredibly boring to do twice though. I hope they don't bring more back, but the current books are building up the return of Mortarion and Fulgrim to realspace, so GW might want ro balance them out if they get models.


All perpetuals can die though, its stated by Grammaticus and the cabal, as Grammaticus wasn't a natural perpetual it was the cabal that put in the technology in his body to come back, so the cabal most likely know a lot about perpetuals, seeing as they can make them. I don't want Cruze back I just like him as a character.

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*random theory moment*

We all know Tyranids are drawn to the Emperor like moths to a flame and one Hive Fleet is building something on a planetary scale (rather than just consuming the world and moving on). Could it be that the Tyranids sense the failing of the Golden Throne and will sweep in with a vast Hive Fleet invasion and steal the Emperor and his Golden Throne and insert it into their twisted strange world to produce a new, more powerful beacon to call more of their kind from the darkness in space between Galaxies!

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which Xenos though are going to have the expertise to fix it? The Necrons? what could the IoM offer them? the Eldar? The Eldar have already dimissed the idea of helping. the Tau? yeah no. Orks? LOL

Actually, out of all of the xenos species. the necrons have a lot in common with humanity, almost as much as the eldar. Think about it, they hate chaos almost as much as we do and have been trying for a long time to seal off the warp from realspace. They hate the tyranids as much as we do, and hate the eldar even more then we do.

In the new necron lore they have even made diplomatic overtures toward the Imperium of man, and if Trazyn is any indication they seem to be generally impressed by us despite also thinking of us as primitives. Trazn even helped Cawl out on one occasion IRC. There was also the time that the a blood angels contingent led by Dante was fighting necrons under the command of the silent king himself. The battle was a stalemate until tyranids arrived and the two enemies decided to team up and fight the tyranids instead. Afterwards they both went their separate ways without further violence, the blood angels not wanting to break a truce, and the silent king impressed at the tenacity of the space marines despite himself.

It's not inconceivable that the necrons would help humanity if it also benefited them in some way.
   
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 Overread wrote:
*random theory moment*

We all know Tyranids are drawn to the Emperor like moths to a flame and one Hive Fleet is building something on a planetary scale (rather than just consuming the world and moving on). Could it be that the Tyranids sense the failing of the Golden Throne and will sweep in with a vast Hive Fleet invasion and steal the Emperor and his Golden Throne - replace it into their twisted strange world to produce a new, more powerful beacon to call more of their kind from the darkness in space between Galaxies!


I don't think anything can stop the Tyranids, unless what has already entered the galaxy is the bulk of it which is unlikely. They came from another galaxy so they are most likely a galaxy conquering species as they'd have no reason to come if everything in their previous galaxy was not already eaten so, I doubt all the milky way species can stop them when they are too busy fighting each other. I think they are attracted to the astronomic an because they want to eat, and process the Emperor to create a super Tyranid.

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The Tyranids were only attracted to this galaxy in the first place because of the Pharos' destruction. Now, they probably are headed for the Astronomican, however, it wasn't the main reason the Tyranids showed up.

Odds are, they saw the destruction of the Pharos as a sign that there was organic/psychic life in our galaxy, and then moved towards it. Then, when they arrived, they spotted the Astronomican, see that as a hub of biomass, and now move towards it.


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Emperor's been dead since 30k. (Astronomicon was lit without him by sacrificing all those psykers). There's no evidence that he's alive at all.

What's scarier is the loss of the Golden Throne might bring down the Astronomicon which ends the Imperium... so GW will never do it.

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Not saying this is imminent, but before the 20's are out -- probably well within the first half of the decade -- the Emperor will be back. Full-on back, with a model and rules. His battlefield presence will be hand-waved away as something like a psychic avatar/astral projection, which will explain his non-omnipotence, and probably require that he be summoned into the game, rather than set up like a conventional unit.

Horus will be back too. Horus's model will be bigger than a carnifex.

Second Heresy, once kicked off, will be the driving force for the setting's plot for the rest of the game's/GW's existence. Half of the remaining loyalist marines will fall to Chaos Reborn. This time, though, it won't be on a legion-by-legion basis. Roughly half of each existing chapter will fall with the rest remaining loyal. So, for example, there will be both Chaos Ultramarines and loyal Ultras--no existing players will be burned by having their entire faction all of a sudden switching sides. Chaos Ultras, by the way, will almost certainly feature in the boxed set ("Dark Renaissance" or something similar) which will be by far the biggest ever released.

By the same token, the Emperor's renewed light will redeem many who strayed in the First Heresy. Fully loyal Alpha Legion is a solid bet for the boxed set, but not a sure thing. (Their colors may not be enough of a contrast with Chaos Ultras.) Anyway, the Redeemed will be welcomed back grudgingly to say the least, and that conflict will be mined relentlessly for Black Library story hooks. (Can the loyal Blood Angels and redeemed Lunar Wolves somehow find a way to work together to save an agri-wold from an awakened Necron Lord--or will old prejudices doom them all?!?!?)

Xenos races will be largely ignored and remain more or less plot devices/NPC antagonists in the fiction. So, status quo.

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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is Carrion Throne stand alone or are there books I should read first?


Its stand alone. Its a terrible book though badly written and extremely boring.


That's a shame, I usually like imperial intrigue.


I personally enjoyed the book. The book showed what the streets of modern Terra are like outside the palace and that's not something we see often.

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 Otto Weston wrote:
Emperor's been dead since 30k. (Astronomicon was lit without him by sacrificing all those psykers). There's no evidence that he's alive at all.

Yes there is - Gulliman 'spoke' with him.
   
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 Otto Weston wrote:
Emperor's been dead since 30k. (Astronomicon was lit without him by sacrificing all those psykers). There's no evidence that he's alive at all.

What's scarier is the loss of the Golden Throne might bring down the Astronomicon which ends the Imperium... so GW will never do it.


He's absolutely alive now, there is nothing in the lore that even suggests that he isn't.


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 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Is Carrion Throne stand alone or are there books I should read first?


Its stand alone. Its a terrible book though badly written and extremely boring.


That's a shame, I usually like imperial intrigue.


I personally enjoyed the book. The book showed what the streets of modern Terra are like outside the palace and that's not something we see often.


Its probably the worst 40k book I've ever read.

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Greywing wrote:
Not saying this is imminent, but before the 20's are out -- probably well within the first half of the decade -- the Emperor will be back. Full-on back, with a model and rules. His battlefield presence will be hand-waved away as something like a psychic avatar/astral projection, which will explain his non-omnipotence, and probably require that he be summoned into the game, rather than set up like a conventional unit.

Horus will be back too. Horus's model will be bigger than a carnifex.

Second Heresy, once kicked off, will be the driving force for the setting's plot for the rest of the game's/GW's existence. Half of the remaining loyalist marines will fall to Chaos Reborn. This time, though, it won't be on a legion-by-legion basis. Roughly half of each existing chapter will fall with the rest remaining loyal. So, for example, there will be both Chaos Ultramarines and loyal Ultras--no existing players will be burned by having their entire faction all of a sudden switching sides. Chaos Ultras, by the way, will almost certainly feature in the boxed set ("Dark Renaissance" or something similar) which will be by far the biggest ever released.

By the same token, the Emperor's renewed light will redeem many who strayed in the First Heresy. Fully loyal Alpha Legion is a solid bet for the boxed set, but not a sure thing. (Their colors may not be enough of a contrast with Chaos Ultras.) Anyway, the Redeemed will be welcomed back grudgingly to say the least, and that conflict will be mined relentlessly for Black Library story hooks. (Can the loyal Blood Angels and redeemed Lunar Wolves somehow find a way to work together to save an agri-wold from an awakened Necron Lord--or will old prejudices doom them all?!?!?)

Xenos races will be largely ignored and remain more or less plot devices/NPC antagonists in the fiction. So, status quo.

There will be no new Phoenix Lord models.


You forgot that the Chaos Gods manifest into realspace in their entirety with Smaug™ sized models. Oh, and we get Superioris Custodes... and more knights!

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pm713 wrote:
That bad?


Yeah, very badly written, seems like it was just churned out because I like The Emperors Legion, the same author.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
That bad?


Yeah, very badly written, seems like it was just churned out because I like The Emperors Legion, the same author.


I disagree entirely. It was an amazing 40k book, and the look at Terra beyond the Imperial Palace was awesome. Read it, make up your own mind.
   
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I never understood why with the Emperor being a perpetual they didn't just let him die and come back in one piece shortly after his death. I mean I know because the plot is all hope is gone, but surely it's better he's dead for 10 minutes than on life support for 10 millennia.

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