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Is there still a stigma out there about forgeworld? I think GW has made strides to balance them. Is there anyone who still has issues against them? Or is it left over stigma from the past?

I would prefer to face them over lots of the broken crap in gw codexes. Better looking models for added benefit.

There are a handful of things currently that could be considered strong from forgeworld. Most core GW units are better than what FW produces. The few that are strong are generally with armies that aren't all that hot in their own right. Space Marine Leviathan Dreads, CSM Fire Raptors. Anyone who complains about FW being overpowered then plops down 30 dark reapers with 3 Black heart ravagers is as disingenuous as it gets.

I said "Yes with an agreement ahead of time", but only because if you show up with a Titan, that's not a fun game. Do I care about random tanks and special dreadnoughts? No, not really. Be very clear at the start of the game what they do, etc...but beyond that, whatever.

And like with all super heavies, depending on the size of the game, it's only worthwhile to discuss this ahead of time.

I straight-up encourage it, as the added potential for deeper army variation/customization along with wider unit options/strategies are things i only see as enriching my gaming experience!

GW has also been taking serious steps to integrate FW into their own lines. The argument that GW doesn't recognize FW is an artefact of the past and not rooted in current practice.

Official GW productions take FW into account. Chapter Approved 2017 re balanced the FW points, and the FW FAQs are listed alongside the codex and rulebook FAQs on GW's community page. As far as I'm concerned, after the Forge World inclusion in the Chapter Approved 2017, GW has officially recognized Forge World as a legitimate part of any Warhammer 40K game.

I'm not exactly happy with Forgeworld but I'd play against it.

The models are generally (not necessarily, but generally) better to look at than GW models, and I do not perceive a difference in OP/UP prevalence between the two populations (GW and FW sheets).
Yes.

No. The models still have a bad rep in my area.

 Strg Alt wrote:
No. The models still have a bad rep in my area.

Is that because of how they were or how they are currently?

 Smotejob wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
No. The models still have a bad rep in my area.

Is that because of how they were or how they are currently?

The bad impression results of past experiences according to the players which I have asked. I can´t judge, if this behaviour is warranted or not because I don´t own any FW rulebook.

I'm tired of FW. Quite a few armies are in the "forgeworld or lose" camp. Which is dumb.

 Marmatag wrote:
I'm tired of FW. Quite a few armies are in the "forgeworld or lose" camp. Which is dumb.

Quite a few armies are in the "codex or lose" camp. Which is dumb. Therefore ban codex rules.


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 Strg Alt wrote:
The bad impression results of past experiences according to the players which I have asked. I can´t judge, if this behaviour is warranted or not because I don´t own any FW rulebook.

IOW, you have an opinion based on nothing but ignorance, and you expect veto power over your opponent's army because of that opinion. Why do you think that this is acceptable?

I love forgeworld. It offers more options to play the game with and sometimes entire armies.

Damn, brainfart. Wanted to vote that I have no problem with FW, yet clicked "No". Ah well.

Anyways, I don't have a problem with FW at all. My meta is really chilled, with a couple players that prefer competitive games, but the majority is just a relaxed bunch of people enjoying their miniatures and quite a few have some FW centerpiece. So, no problem encountered at all (yet).

Without forgeworld I can't make a competitive marine army so yes please (Xiphons and Leviathans).

The chaos version of the leviathan is just straight up better (without even the relic tax) and that stupid Tau tank is OP as hell but those seem more the exception than the rule.

I'd honestly rather see GW make all the rules for the game and just let FW do the models. The fact that one design studio can't put together a balanced game is needlessly complicated by letting FW make up their own rules/prices. Hell they could just do cooler looking versions of existing GW models and I think that would be a better approach.

I still think they cost more than they should (personal opinion) so anything that stops people from supporting such a predatory pricing model is good in my book but I own some (and not the Chinese/russian knockoffs) and wouldn't hesitate to play against them.

And to the DKoK owners, those things are soooooo cool looking please bring those anytime.

It matters little if Gw or FW, i am more inclined to turn down a friendly game when i see certain units spammed or certain combinations of factions and traits. Basically if I smell a WAAC of the worst kind then i don't play.


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bananathug wrote:
Without forgeworld I can't make a competitive marine army so yes please (Xiphons and Leviathans).

The chaos version of the leviathan is just straight up better (without even the relic tax) and that stupid Tau tank is OP as hell but those seem more the exception than the rule.

I'd honestly rather see GW make all the rules for the game and just let FW do the models. The fact that one design studio can't put together a balanced game is needlessly complicated by letting FW make up their own rules/prices. Hell they could just do cooler looking versions of existing GW models and I think that would be a better approach.

I still think they cost more than they should (personal opinion) so anything that stops people from supporting such a predatory pricing model is good in my book but I own some (and not the Chinese/russian knockoffs) and wouldn't hesitate to play against them.

And to the DKoK owners, those things are soooooo cool looking please bring those anytime.

Arguably gw has more brainfarts regarding rules and balancing then fw which has some units that are considered good. I have yet to Meet a Fw unit that beats a broken GW unit though.

Forgeworld units are fine. Leviathan dreads are very strong but also have short range. The secutarii units are strong, but balanced due to thier lack of <Forgeworld> and being elites. The really OP stuff has been nerfed at this point.

Still salty Korvydae got squatted.

I honestly have a bigger issue with Super Heavies bc they tend to dominate the games they are in and skew games are not as fun.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Marmatag wrote:
I'm tired of FW. Quite a few armies are in the "forgeworld or lose" camp. Which is dumb.

Quite a few armies are in the "codex or lose" camp. Which is dumb. Therefore ban codex rules.


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 Strg Alt wrote:
The bad impression results of past experiences according to the players which I have asked. I can´t judge, if this behaviour is warranted or not because I don´t own any FW rulebook.

IOW, you have an opinion based on nothing but ignorance, and you expect veto power over your opponent's army because of that opinion. Why do you think that this is acceptable?

I trust the people which I have asked. Isn´t that acceptable for you?

I don’t particularly want to face down a Warlord with a bunch of Ripper Swarms, but I like a lot of FW stuff. It’s cool to see new units that don’t normally hit the table. I have no problems with it at all.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I trust the people which I have asked. Isn´t that acceptable for you?

But you don't trust the people saying that FW is fine? Right here you see a poll with an overwhelming majority saying that FW is fine, are you going to abandon your previous opinion and accept that FW is ok and the people you asked were wrong?


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 Sinful Hero wrote:
I don’t particularly want to face down a Warlord with a bunch of Ripper Swarms

Fortunately you won't have to. A Warlord is so expensive that you can't fit one in a normal game. IIRC even a Reaver is too expensive for normal games, and a Warhound is a really weak unit for its point cost.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I trust the people which I have asked. Isn´t that acceptable for you?

But you don't trust the people saying that FW is fine? Right here you see a poll with an overwhelming majority saying that FW is fine, are you going to abandon your previous opinion and accept that FW is ok and the people you asked were wrong?


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 Sinful Hero wrote:
I don’t particularly want to face down a Warlord with a bunch of Ripper Swarms

Fortunately you won't have to. A Warlord is so expensive that you can't fit one in a normal game. IIRC even a Reaver is too expensive for normal games, and a Warhound is a really weak unit for its point cost.

The people I asked seemed genuine to me. So I won´t change my opinion.

 Strg Alt wrote:
The people I asked seemed genuine to me. So I won´t change my opinion.

And the people here aren't genuine? The poll is currently at 84% in favor of FW with no conditions, and up to 93% if you count the people who are open to it but not all the way there. Only 7% of the votes so far are against FW. By choosing to stand by your opinion in the face of such overwhelming consensus that FW is not a problem you are demonstrating that you are acting out of ignorance and declaring that the minority must be right.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
The people I asked seemed genuine to me. So I won´t change my opinion.

And the people here aren't genuine? The poll is currently at 84% in favor of FW with no conditions, and up to 93% if you count the people who are open to it but not all the way there. Only 7% of the votes so far are against FW. By choosing to stand by your opinion in the face of such overwhelming consensus that FW is not a problem you are demonstrating that you are acting out of ignorance and declaring that the minority must be right.

Let it go dude, he won't listen to reason.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
The people I asked seemed genuine to me. So I won´t change my opinion.

And the people here aren't genuine? The poll is currently at 84% in favor of FW with no conditions, and up to 93% if you count the people who are open to it but not all the way there. Only 7% of the votes so far are against FW. By choosing to stand by your opinion in the face of such overwhelming consensus that FW is not a problem you are demonstrating that you are acting out of ignorance and declaring that the minority must be right.

You are very persistent. I admire that but you also have to learn to accept other people´s opinions. And no, the majority is not always right.

I look forward to facing FW units. It makes a nice change over the usual codex units. FW isn't broken anymore, not like it used to be during the 4th and 5th edition days.

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 Peregrine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
The people I asked seemed genuine to me. So I won´t change my opinion.

And the people here aren't genuine? The poll is currently at 84% in favor of FW with no conditions, and up to 93% if you count the people who are open to it but not all the way there. Only 7% of the votes so far are against FW. By choosing to stand by your opinion in the face of such overwhelming consensus that FW is not a problem you are demonstrating that you are acting out of ignorance and declaring that the minority must be right.

Let it go dude, he won't listen to reason.

I can have an opinion of my own that deviates from the rest, thank you very much.

 Strg Alt wrote:
I can have an opinion of my own that deviates from the rest, thank you very much.

But you have no justification for that opinion. You admitted that you have never seen the rules you're expressing an opinion of, your opinion is based entirely on polling people. And now you have a poll that disagrees with your opinion, by an overwhelming majority, and you're rejecting that poll because it doesn't agree with you. You are clearly demonstrating that you have gone far beyond "I'm not sure, here's the best I know" into "I have nothing but ignorance on the subject, but I am 100% confident in my opinion".

I use lots of FW stuff. My dudes love it, because it's different and the models are awesome. Everyone loves my Decimator. But I also use lots of FW because it's the best way for me to get good shooting (via double butcher cannon dreads, Rapier Artilleries)

 Peregrine wrote:

 Strg Alt wrote:
I can have an opinion of my own that deviates from the rest, thank you very much.

But you have no justification for that opinion. You admitted that you have never seen the rules you're expressing an opinion of, your opinion is based entirely on polling people. And now you have a poll that disagrees with your opinion, by an overwhelming majority, and you're rejecting that poll because it doesn't agree with you. You are clearly demonstrating that you have gone far beyond "I'm not sure, here's the best I know" into "I have nothing but ignorance on the subject, but I am 100% confident in my opinion".

I can´t understand why you are so upset about this. Anyway, I am going to sleep right now because I just took a look into my crystal ball and it showed me that nothing good will come of our conversation.