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If my daemon prince has the impossible robe artifact (4++) and then I use the warp surge stratagem would I have a 2++ save.

Ephemeral form adds +1 to the save
Warp surge adds +1 but its capped at 3++

Could I apply the surge first to get to a 3++. Then use Form for a 2++

Side note is it possible to role a 1 with the robe? I don't think I die since it is always becomes a 2 ?

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:
If my daemon prince has the impossible robe artifact (4++) and then I use the warp surge stratagem would I have a 2++ save.

Ephemeral form adds +1 to the save
Warp surge adds +1 but its capped at 3++

Could I apply the surge first to get to a 3++. Then use Form for a 2++

Side note is it possible to role a 1 with the robe? I don't think I die since it is always becomes a 2 ?

Ephemeral Form and Warp Surge don't interact. Warp Surge improves the actual save characteristic. Ephemeral Form adds one to your invulnerable save rolls. This is a subtle but extremely important difference. You get a 3++, rolled on a D6+1, although a physical roll of 1 still fail as per the BRB. People sometimes shortcut it and say you have a "2++" save, since any result of 2 or more on the dice will pass the save, but that is actually incorrect, you have a 3++ on D6+1, giving a result of 2 to 7, with the physical result of 1 failing because the BRB says so.

And no, if you have a +1 to your save rolls, you can't ever roll a 1 to trigger the Impossible Robe, although a physical roll of 1 still fails. Like the example above, a D6+1 has a result range of 2 to 7, you can't ever have a result of 1 on D6+1, but the BRB has a special rule saying "A roll of 1 always fails, irrespective of any modifiers that may apply."

So no tzeentch daemon would ever die from its free re roll.

Sure the save failed but i might still be alive not dead.

THE_GODLYNESS wrote:
So no tzeentch daemon would ever die from its free re roll.

Sure the save failed but i might still be alive not dead.

Remember that Warp Surge denies the Re-roll. However, you're right in that anything with a +1 to invulnerable saves cannot ever suffer the negative result from the Impossible Robe. I can't remember if there are any Tzeentch Models in the codex without Ephemeral Form though. I do remember a thread having a chuckle over the fact the Impossible Robe could never trigger without some sort of negative to saves.