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the Palace of Pleasure is described as having 6 rings in which different temptations are offered to those who traverse the domain. It is said that if someone passes through all six rings they will enter the actual Palace of Pleasure and come face to face with Slaanesh, and all who have done so instantly fall to it's sway. I wonder though, if you got to the very end, saw Slaanesh, and STILL didn't give in, what would happen?

undeadprotoss wrote:
the Palace of Pleasure is described as having 6 rings in which different temptations are offered to those who traverse the domain. It is said that if someone passes through all six rings they will enter the actual Palace of Pleasure and come face to face with Slaanesh, and all who have done so instantly fall to it's sway. I wonder though, if you got to the very end, saw Slaanesh, and STILL didn't give in, what would happen?

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Slaaanish would be impressed with you, eneugh so that he would step off his throne, and offer, in your honor, to give you your greatest wish..

This of course would totally be a trap.

Or, you know, order you killed by the many, many heralds surrounding the throne. Slaanesh can also be petty at times.

That's when you discover you were Slaanesh all along.

There's nobody sitting in the throne, you see. It's just that the backrest is very highly polished...

Or, to put it another way, only the ultimate narcissist would ever get that far, so of course you'd see yourself already sitting on the throne. The temptations on the way are all tests, filters of a sort. Anyone capable of being seduced by something outside of themselves has been pared away along the journey to the throneroom by one delight or another. If the only thing you can be seduced by is yourself, though, then you're Slaanesh.

[/headcanon]

A more interesting question would be: which of the 6 realms would be hardest to resist?

undeadprotoss wrote:
the Palace of Pleasure is described as having 6 rings in which different temptations are offered to those who traverse the domain. It is said that if someone passes through all six rings they will enter the actual Palace of Pleasure and come face to face with Slaanesh, and all who have done so instantly fall to it's sway. I wonder though, if you got to the very end, saw Slaanesh, and STILL didn't give in, what would happen?

I thought there was something in the lore about a grey knight terminator making it all the way through all 6 rings to the throne of Slaanesh him/herself. When he got there and laid eyes upon Slaanesh he instantly turned, and was ascended into a daemon prince... not because he was weak, but because being able to resist all of those temptations to that extent was an "excess" in itself.

I'd be more than happy to be made an immortal demon prince with my own world. I'd make some cool looking slaanesh war stuff! Screw tye emperor! I need pink and purple Knights with whips!

I can't fully recall but didn't Cloten resist Slaanesh? Been a long time since I read it. But I don't think he gave a flying sexy times.

I imagine you would be able to gaze upon Slaanesh if you are already completely insane upon meeting Slaanesh.
If you exist outside of the dichotomy of pleasure and desire and temptation, completely arbitrary and capricious, you cannot lose yourself to Slaanesh, you are already lost.

You don't even have to be a mewling spawn, as its very feasible to be both incredibly intelligent and also completely insane. Maybe you've just spent a bit too much time on the Shivering Isles with Sheogorath.

I’m presuming the 6 rings of temptation would include temptations other than the sexual otherwise any old asexual individual would make it past the 6 tests.

Whilst Slaanesh is famous for sexual desires and excess he's the lord of All Excess. So sexual pleasure is but one of the many many things one can be tempted too.

As for surviving it is possible; Morathi's story in Age of Sigmar revolves around her being consumed and causing Slaanesh to vomit her up; releasing her into the Sigmar's shattered realms. She went on to join other Aelves and to help capture and craft a mighty spell the syphon aelf souls from his belly.

Morathi was, however, significantly warped and changed - snake tail, wings, snake hair. So in theory even if you survive an encounter with Slaanesh, chances are the Prince will still leave his taint and influence upon you in mind and body.

Slaanesh would torture and kill you in frustration most likely.

For all we know it's impossible, so it's a moot point.

Chaos gods are "fuelled" by warp energy, and try to draw souls to them. Presumably, the stronger the soul, the more enticing it is, and in turn likely provides more leverage for the gods to work with.

If that is the case, many non Eldar / Humans could potentially overcome the temptations.

Orks, for example, do not seem to pursue excess in the same ways as humans. Some like to go fast, or build big machines, or perform horrible surgeries, and they all love to fight... but that's their pure nature. You can't really corrupt that. Slaanesh couldn't tempt an Ork to greater depths of obsession, I don't think. Orks don't seem to have honour, per se or a sense of universal fairness to twist. Not even pride, really, just enjoyment of their activities. They're innately selfish, self-serving creatures, that place no value on selflessness that treachery is anything but the expected course of action. Even revenge probably seems like a foreign concept to an Ork. If your existence is to pursue war, then having someone betray you is kind of a gift... you have a new enemy to vanquish!

Orks have their own Chaos-style God(s) in the form of Gork and Mork (which can kind of merge in some tellings into GorkaMorka though I think that might be limited to fantasy whilst in 40K its two separate gods*)

So Orks can't be tempted by the four chaos gods (there were chaos orks in the distant past but they've not been around now for a very long while, suggesting whilst it can happen, its super rare). Instead all the Ork energies in the warp get taken in by the Ork Gods.


*It was the basis of the Gorka-Morka game which was basically ork civil war over a desert world where a huge ork ship crash landed.

 greatbigtree wrote:
Orks, for example, do not seem to pursue excess in the same ways as humans. Some like to go fast, or build big machines, or perform horrible surgeries, and they all love to fight... but that's their pure nature. You can't really corrupt that. Slaanesh couldn't tempt an Ork to greater depths of obsession, I don't think. Orks don't seem to have honour, per se or a sense of universal fairness to twist. Not even pride, really, just enjoyment of their activities. They're innately selfish, self-serving creatures, that place no value on selflessness that treachery is anything but the expected course of action. Even revenge probably seems like a foreign concept to an Ork. If your existence is to pursue war, then having someone betray you is kind of a gift... you have a new enemy to vanquish!

I read somewhere that the orkish word for "friend" and the orkish word for "enemy" is the same word, as though they don't separate the concepts on a philosophical level.

When Ghazghkull released Yarrick after he had been captured he said "Good enemies are hard to come by." Interesting to think that the phrase also translates to "Good friends are hard to come by."

Ork psychology is fascinating... it's so alien.

The same as when you enter the Labyrinth of Tzeentch and solve all its riddles. You get the God's secret. In the lore, a little girl managed to bypass the entire maze, confounding even the greatest of Tzeentch's commanders, so the same thing can happen to Slaanesh as well.

The little girl in question can be a manifestation of the Emperor or Cegaroch in disguise.


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 greatbigtree wrote:
Chaos gods are "fuelled" by warp energy, and try to draw souls to them. Presumably, the stronger the soul, the more enticing it is, and in turn likely provides more leverage for the gods to work with.

If that is the case, many non Eldar / Humans could potentially overcome the temptations.

Orks, for example, do not seem to pursue excess in the same ways as humans. Some like to go fast, or build big machines, or perform horrible surgeries, and they all love to fight... but that's their pure nature. You can't really corrupt that. Slaanesh couldn't tempt an Ork to greater depths of obsession, I don't think. Orks don't seem to have honour, per se or a sense of universal fairness to twist. Not even pride, really, just enjoyment of their activities. They're innately selfish, self-serving creatures, that place no value on selflessness that treachery is anything but the expected course of action. Even revenge probably seems like a foreign concept to an Ork. If your existence is to pursue war, then having someone betray you is kind of a gift... you have a new enemy to vanquish!

But you have to have enough psychic presence to actually enter the Palace of Pleasure which only exists in the Warp. Plus, it takes psychic barrier to protect you from the raw energies blasting within the Warp. Tau and Orks will just get melted away long before they even gaze at the gate.

bibotot wrote:
The same as when you enter the Labyrinth of Tzeentch and solve all its riddles. You get the God's secret. In the lore, a little girl managed to bypass the entire maze, confounding even the greatest of Tzeentch's commanders, so the same thing can happen to Slaanesh as well.

The little girl in question can be a manifestation of the Emperor or Cegaroch in disguise.

Wasn't there an old man too who got through Tzeentch's maze? People speculated that the old man was the psychic manifestation of the Emperor and the little girl was Cegorach in disguise. We never really find out what happened to them afterward.

Like I said I think there is a story in an old chaos codex about a terminator or something successfully getting through the 6 rings into Slaanesh's palace without falling to temptation, and them promptly turning to chaos and being ascended into a daemon prince because the willpower to resist all of that temptation was a display of massive excess in itself.

EDIT: Found it! http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos under the section titled "A Knight's Tale".

w1zard wrote:

bibotot wrote:
The same as when you enter the Labyrinth of Tzeentch and solve all its riddles. You get the God's secret. In the lore, a little girl managed to bypass the entire maze, confounding even the greatest of Tzeentch's commanders, so the same thing can happen to Slaanesh as well.

The little girl in question can be a manifestation of the Emperor or Cegaroch in disguise.

Wasn't there an old man too who got through Tzeentch's maze? People speculated that the old man was the psychic manifestation of the Emperor and the little girl was Cegorach in disguise. We never really find out what happened to them afterward.

Like I said I think there is a story in an old chaos codex about a terminator or something successfully getting through the 6 rings into Slaanesh's palace without falling to temptation, and them promptly turning to chaos and being ascended into a daemon prince because the willpower to resist all of that temptation was a display of massive excess in itself.

EDIT: Found it! http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Realm_of_Chaos under the section titled "A Knight's Tale".

It wasn't nesscarily a terminator, just a lot of people see the referance to his armor being silvered, and tend to assume it must be a grey knight (hence why it being a terminator is lodged in your mind) . but there are a number of space marines chapters with silver armor.

 lolman1c wrote:
I'd be more than happy to be made an immortal demon prince with my own world. I'd make some cool looking slaanesh war stuff! Screw tye emperor! I need pink and purple Knights with whips!

Shame on you lolman. You of all people should know green iz best!

 Billagio wrote:

 lolman1c wrote:
I'd be more than happy to be made an immortal demon prince with my own world. I'd make some cool looking slaanesh war stuff! Screw tye emperor! I need pink and purple Knights with whips!

Shame on you lolman. You of all people should know green iz best!

He has forsaken Gork and Mork and become a rare Chaos Ork. The lowest of the low in orks, lower than a grot, for he's forgotten the joy of the WAAAARGH and has embraced only the excess of killing and of blood and pink. Gone is his joy of war, his glory of being DA BIGGEST AND DA BESTEST.

I like to think of Gork and Mork as Orkish guises for Khorne and Tzeentch, respectively. But since Orks generally have what they want (which is to be Orks) there's very little ingress into their minds. Weirdboyz might be better, but they're like loaded traps with them more likely to explode than survive possession.

 Nurglitch wrote:
I like to think of Gork and Mork as Orkish guises for Khorne and Tzeentch, respectively. But since Orks generally have what they want (which is to be Orks) there's very little ingress into their minds. Weirdboyz might be better, but they're like loaded traps with them more likely to explode than survive possession.

I prefer to think of it as Khorne and Tzeentch are Chaos guises for Gork and Mork

 Nurglitch wrote:
I like to think of Gork and Mork as Orkish guises for Khorne and Tzeentch, respectively. But since Orks generally have what they want (which is to be Orks) there's very little ingress into their minds. Weirdboyz might be better, but they're like loaded traps with them more likely to explode than survive possession.

Don't forget that Gork and Mork have invaded the realms of the other 4 chaos gods.Though the impression is that they are more regarded as the belligerent children* that cause a huge mess and then finally go away back to fighting each other. It's more that Gork and Mork are akin beasts in the Warp, but not quite the same in tone as the other four gods; likely because Gork and Mork don't really plot schemes or have as "dark" desires as the others

One could argue that if Orks overrun all other life in the Galaxy, the four Chaos Gods would weaken and suffer against the Green Tide.


There are Four Chaos Gods in so far as Men and Eldar are concerned as Gork and Mork don't really want human or anything non-ork in soul or emotion (and by their very nature might not even be able to accept such emotions or feelings in the warp from non-ork souls).


*Who can still make a mess in Nurgles Garden and beat up Khorn...

 Overread wrote:

 Nurglitch wrote:
I like to think of Gork and Mork as Orkish guises for Khorne and Tzeentch, respectively. But since Orks generally have what they want (which is to be Orks) there's very little ingress into their minds. Weirdboyz might be better, but they're like loaded traps with them more likely to explode than survive possession.

Don't forget that Gork and Mork have invaded the realms of the other 4 chaos gods.Though the impression is that they are more regarded as the belligerent children* that cause a huge mess and then finally go away back to fighting each other. It's more that Gork and Mork are akin beasts in the Warp, but not quite the same in tone as the other four gods; likely because Gork and Mork don't really plot schemes or have as "dark" desires as the others

One could argue that if Orks overrun all other life in the Galaxy, the four Chaos Gods would weaken and suffer against the Green Tide.


There are Four Chaos Gods in so far as Men and Eldar are concerned as Gork and Mork don't really want human or anything non-ork in soul or emotion (and by their very nature might not even be able to accept such emotions or feelings in the warp from non-ork souls).


*Who can still make a mess in Nurgles Garden and beat up Khorn...

There are more than 4 chaos gods. They are just the most dominant.

I think if you actually looked at a god your mind would be screwed anyway. You’d be gone. So it’s a moot point as said above. Game over man

undeadprotoss wrote:
the Palace of Pleasure is described as having 6 rings in which different temptations are offered to those who traverse the domain. It is said that if someone passes through all six rings they will enter the actual Palace of Pleasure and come face to face with Slaanesh, and all who have done so instantly fall to it's sway. I wonder though, if you got to the very end, saw Slaanesh, and STILL didn't give in, what would happen?

The other gods have probably stared at him they probably laughed after it while making jokes about hermaphrodites, while high fiving as they chuckled back to their realm.

It's possible, Chaos gods are not omni-beings.

But then that person would die, being surrounded by infinite daemons.

Seems like she who thirsts would have to grant you a boon. Chaos isn't bound by physical laws but fey creatures and deamons are constrained by their own nature.

The logic of a challenge dictates a reward, the logic of guarding dictates a prize.

If you make it to the center of the maze you win a prize equal to the challenge of the maze. A boon from she who thirsts. You could ask for the soul of a Solitaire perhaps, or any elf. It she had it she would have to give it to you.

Headlss wrote:
Seems like she who thirsts would have to grant you a boon. Chaos isn't bound by physical laws but fey creatures and deamons are constrained by their own nature.

The logic of a challenge dictates a reward, the logic of guarding dictates a prize.

If you make it to the center of the maze you win a prize equal to the challenge of the maze. A boon from she who thirsts. You could ask for the soul of a Solitaire perhaps, or any elf. It she had it she would have to give it to you.

The issue here is that the reward you speak of is success itself, the chance to see Slaanesh itself, or beat all the challenges. This in itself is a temptation - the chance to see/meet/kill Slaanesh. Even making a decision to try it is giving into a temptation. You have thereby already failed.

 Deadshot wrote:

Headlss wrote:
Seems like she who thirsts would have to grant you a boon. Chaos isn't bound by physical laws but fey creatures and deamons are constrained by their own nature.

The logic of a challenge dictates a reward, the logic of guarding dictates a prize.

If you make it to the center of the maze you win a prize equal to the challenge of the maze. A boon from she who thirsts. You could ask for the soul of a Solitaire perhaps, or any elf. It she had it she would have to give it to you.

The issue here is that the reward you speak of is success itself, the chance to see Slaanesh itself, or beat all the challenges. This in itself is a temptation - the chance to see/meet/kill Slaanesh. Even making a decision to try it is giving into a temptation. You have thereby already failed.

Makes me wonder about what would happen if someone got lost and went through the whole palace of pleasure looking for the exit?