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I have two questions regarding the malcador
A) is it good enough finally to be played in a friendly to semi competitive matches?
B) has anyone experience with magnetising / decent loadout suggestions?

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It is trash. A LRBT out-guns it for half the price. Codex power creep strikes again. But hey, you can proxy it as a LRBT?

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 Peregrine wrote:
It is trash. A LRBT out-guns it for half the price. Codex power creep strikes again. But hey, you can proxy it as a LRBT?

They got lumbering advance, basically grinding advance, and are somehow faster movement wise and way more durable now.
I guess rof wise they still suck but i just love the look and idea of a fast light superheavy tank.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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The Defender seems decent. A few more wounds than a LRBT, faster, and a feth-load of bolter shots.
   
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Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.
   
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 Tyr13 wrote:
Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.

Defender atm has 8 turret heavy bolters, that are 24 shots, if it advances half movement then that doubles.
It is fairly impressive actually still on the pricier end but certainly workable.

This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/07/11 21:19:34


https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Tyr13 wrote:
Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.

Defender atm has 8 turret heavy bolters, that are 24 shots, if it advances half movement then that doubles.
It is fairly impressive actually still on the pricier end but certainly workable.


Uh, what? The Malcador tanks do not have the "double shots at half movement or less" rule that LRBTs have. This is why they are trash.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Tyr13 wrote:
Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.

Defender atm has 8 turret heavy bolters, that are 24 shots, if it advances half movement then that doubles.
It is fairly impressive actually still on the pricier end but certainly workable.


Uh, what? The Malcador tanks do not have the "double shots at half movement or less" rule that LRBTs have. This is why they are trash.
Fairly certain they gained that in a FAQ.
Just looked at the FAQ, first Page.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
Made in us
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Not Online!!! wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Tyr13 wrote:
Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.

Defender atm has 8 turret heavy bolters, that are 24 shots, if it advances half movement then that doubles.
It is fairly impressive actually still on the pricier end but certainly workable.


Uh, what? The Malcador tanks do not have the "double shots at half movement or less" rule that LRBTs have. This is why they are trash.
Fairly certain they gained that in a FAQ.
Just looked at the FAQ, first Page.


You're only seeing half of it. The FAQ changes the "grinding advance" rule on FW LRBTs to match how codex LRBTs changed from the index, but that change does not apply to the Malcador tanks. Then the next entry changes the Malcador's "grinding advance" rule to be re-named "lumbering advance", maintaining its original text and separating it from the LRBT rule that shared its old name.

There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. 
   
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 Peregrine wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Peregrine wrote:
Not Online!!! wrote:
 Tyr13 wrote:
Yeah, I think the Defender is the only one thats moderately useful... The others are cool, but not usually worth it. Or at least, thats what it seems like, never tried them.

Defender atm has 8 turret heavy bolters, that are 24 shots, if it advances half movement then that doubles.
It is fairly impressive actually still on the pricier end but certainly workable.


Uh, what? The Malcador tanks do not have the "double shots at half movement or less" rule that LRBTs have. This is why they are trash.
Fairly certain they gained that in a FAQ.
Just looked at the FAQ, first Page.


You're only seeing half of it. The FAQ changes the "grinding advance" rule on FW LRBTs to match how codex LRBTs changed from the index, but that change does not apply to the Malcador tanks. Then the next entry changes the Malcador's "grinding advance" rule to be re-named "lumbering advance", maintaining its original text and separating it from the LRBT rule that shared its old name.

Wellp, that makes them significantly worse then i guess. Atleast they ignore -bs modification though....

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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I haven't played guard in a while but i think this advice i will give is sorta fair. It depends who you play against. If you play a newbie that's just started maybe playing a crappy list is ok. Generally taking your best list with top tier souped lists is considered very unfair to newbies.

If you play against nothing but competitive players you may want to change things around to the best you can bring.

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Taking a Malcador Defender as Mordians and using the Defensive Gunners stratagem to overwatch on 3+ might be amusing, but still doesn't seem very competitive.

I really like the looks of the Malcador Defender, and it seems like it would fit in great fluff-wise with the Renegades & Heretics supporting my Iron Warriors, but dang they are expensive in terms of both points and money.

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 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Taking a Malcador Defender as Mordians and using the Defensive Gunners stratagem to overwatch on 3+ might be amusing, but still doesn't seem very competitive.

I really like the looks of the Malcador Defender, and it seems like it would fit in great fluff-wise with the Renegades & Heretics supporting my Iron Warriors, but dang they are expensive in terms of both points and money.

Not nearly as expensive as a full earthshaker battery.
I find the pricing on the bigger artillery pieces highly random, especially when you've seen one and can compare it to other modells that size regardless of FW/GW.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Alaska

Not Online!!! wrote:
 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote:
Taking a Malcador Defender as Mordians and using the Defensive Gunners stratagem to overwatch on 3+ might be amusing, but still doesn't seem very competitive.

I really like the looks of the Malcador Defender, and it seems like it would fit in great fluff-wise with the Renegades & Heretics supporting my Iron Warriors, but dang they are expensive in terms of both points and money.

Not nearly as expensive as a full earthshaker battery.
I find the pricing on the bigger artillery pieces highly random, especially when you've seen one and can compare it to other modells that size regardless of FW/GW.

Yeah, the prices of most Forge World towed artillery are completely bonkers. Earthshakers not only are relatively small in terms of size, but they also seem like they would be an inexpensive sculpt to make. Normally I'm willing to pay FW, because I want to support them for making models and rules, but I just can't justify those artillery pieces. I'd like artillery batteries for narrative games. I'll probably make them from Basilisks.

Some of their bigger Ork gunz aren't too badly priced, but on the other hand the GW plastic Mek Gun is expensive for its size.

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Just be sure to decide to buy one quick before FW puts it up on last chance to buy
   
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ValentineGames wrote:
Just be sure to decide to buy one quick before FW puts it up on last chance to buy

Well, considering my army got taken behind the shed, i might aswell save me the trouble. Feelsbadman
Atleast my army get's burried with the Elysians and my decimator soon also will end there.

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A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Not Online!!! wrote:
ValentineGames wrote:
Just be sure to decide to buy one quick before FW puts it up on last chance to buy

Well, considering my army got taken behind the shed, i might aswell save me the trouble. Feelsbadman
Atleast my army get's burried with the Elysians and my decimator soon also will end there.

FW can never take your fond memories.........well not yet
   
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What about the infernus ? Doesn't seem too bad if a bit overpriced

   
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 godardc wrote:
What about the infernus ? Doesn't seem too bad if a bit overpriced


Your better off with it's cost in hellhounds sadly.

   
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 godardc wrote:
What about the infernus ? Doesn't seem too bad if a bit overpriced

Renegades have lost the knowledge to use it.Thanks to 8th streamlining.

https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH.  
   
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Don’t think they could use it in 7th either
   
 
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