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2018/07/15 21:30:36
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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I always play units that are really bad or not really worth taking, just because I love them so much, what's your gak list?
Khorne Bezerkers - always played them even throughout the years when they were terrible.
Howling Banshees - always played them
Celestians - still bad and I play them
Warbikers, still playing them even though 8th has bent them over.
Raveners - always played them.
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2018/07/15 21:36:03
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Khorne Chosen Marine Riding a Juggernaut
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Well, I've had/played WE for something like 13 years. I skipped most of 5th until 8th.
Although I do really enjoy my land raider.
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2018/07/15 21:51:31
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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I suppose it would depend entirely on your definition of "bad". This is Dakka, so if a unit is 0.78% less effective at killing something, it's often "complete and unmitigated crap and the rules designers should be shot!".
If you mean the handful of untis which are genuinely bad (i.e. the rules developers just got it terribly wrong)...hmmm..I'm not sure if I have anything I simply wouldn't ever field. I guess for Eldar I would say Warlocks. They're absurdly priced (they were originally given a price drop to make them appropriate...then bumped straight back up again...). While they are useful in the army, their statline, cost, and general performance is pretty laughable.
The Wraithknight is a complete and utter turd -but I don't own it. Chaos Terminators are really quite bad (as are most terminators) but I run them. Our group realized terminators were so bad we've house ruled a few changes to them so they actually see the table top.
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2018/07/15 21:53:23
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Elbows wrote:I suppose it would depend entirely on your definition of "bad". This is Dakka, so if a unit is 0.78% less effective at killing something, it's often "complete and unmitigated crap and the rules designers should be shot!".
If you mean the handful of untis which are genuinely bad (i.e. the rules developers just got it terribly wrong)...hmmm..I'm not sure if I have anything I simply wouldn't ever field. I guess for Eldar I would say Warlocks. They're absurdly priced (they were originally given a price drop to make them appropriate...then bumped straight back up again...). While they are useful in the army, their statline, cost, and general performance is pretty laughable.
The Wraithknight is a complete and utter turd -but I don't own it. Chaos Terminators are really quite bad (as are most terminators) but I run them. Our group realized terminators were so bad we've house ruled a few changes to them so they actually see the table top.
I said really bad or just not worth taking. So even units that are just meh that you continue to field.
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2018/07/15 21:53:37
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Most of my GK army
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2018/07/15 21:54:00
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Lol me too. I was going to name one unit but they are all equally bad this edition lol
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2018/07/15 22:29:15
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Even The GMNDK are really underwhelming when you compare them to other similar costed options . Toughness 6 is such garbage
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2018/07/16 00:50:29
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Guarded Grey Knight Terminator
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Yup! I can do 3 custodes shield captains on bikes for less than 2 gmdk.
Please email 40kfaq@gwplc.com. make noise
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2018/07/16 00:52:16
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Any marine troop.
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2018/07/16 00:58:38
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Wondering Why the Emperor Left
Boston, MA
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Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.
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2018/07/16 01:25:54
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Inquisitorial Keeper of the Xenobanks
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Veterans in chimera with melta, does that count ?
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2018/07/16 01:49:20
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Dakka Veteran
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Tomb Stalker. It's not abysmal, but it's not great. The model deserves better rules.
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2018/07/16 02:04:56
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Blood-Drenched Death Company Marine
Little Rock, Arkansas
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Tactical marines.
Scouts aren’t as bad, but I still wish I had some cheap chaff unit like “chapter serfs” or something so I wouldn’t feel like the edition is purposefully attempting to get me to buy a guard battalion.
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2018/07/16 02:20:20
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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niv-mizzet wrote:Tactical marines.
Scouts aren’t as bad, but I still wish I had some cheap chaff unit like “chapter serfs” or something so I wouldn’t feel like the edition is purposefully attempting to get me to buy a guard battalion.
I bet you wish you had some sort of cultist type unit like us, come to the spiky side of the warp.
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Yeah 3 shield captains on bikes is like an army unto itself with hurricane bolters.
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max_power wrote:Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.
Plague marines, what are you talking about, their shooting is meh but they are tough as nails, so hard to kill, I love my plague marines. Sit them on an objective and they ain't going nowhere.
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2018/07/16 02:51:42
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.
For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.
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2018/07/16 03:00:15
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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ZergSmasher wrote:
Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.
For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.
Terminators are great, they are only the few standard units that get 2 wounds, so important in this edition. I use my Wolf Guard a lot.
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2018/07/16 03:17:53
Subject: Re:Units you have to field that are crap.
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Ork Boy Hangin' off a Trukk
Los Angeles
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Mega Nobz make me sad. Any Ork character that can wear Mega Armor, in Mega Armor, also make me sad. Killa Kans, Deff Dreads, and Gorkanauts. I run a Dread Mob list with all of those, and a Big Mek in Mega Armor.
There are some good things in the Ork index besides boyz and KMK, but not too many.
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2018/07/16 03:18:33
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I'd use Tyberos all the time later edition just because I could. Weapon Mastery was sooooo stupid with his weapons hahaha
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CaptainStabby wrote:If Tyberos falls and needs to catch himself it's because the ground needed killing.
jy2 wrote:BTW, I can't wait to run Double-D-thirsters! Man, just thinking about it gets me Khorney.
vipoid wrote:Indeed - what sort of bastard would want to use their codex?
MarsNZ wrote:ITT: SoB players upset that they're receiving the same condescending treatment that they've doled out in every CSM thread ever. |
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2018/07/16 03:30:28
Subject: Re:Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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beerbeard wrote:Mega Nobz make me sad. Any Ork character that can wear Mega Armor, in Mega Armor, also make me sad. Killa Kans, Deff Dreads, and Gorkanauts. I run a Dread Mob list with all of those, and a Big Mek in Mega Armor.
There are some good things in the Ork index besides boyz and KMK, but not too many.
I hear ya.
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2018/07/16 04:43:33
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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ZergSmasher wrote:
Careful about how you do that, or they won't fix GMNDKs. They'll just hike the cost of the golden jet captains instead.
For me, it's probably Deathwing, although I haven't even run them in casual play in a while. I love Termies thematically, even though they are crap in game. For my Chaos stuff, I'd say Possessed, although they aren't terrible. For Tau, it's Crisis suits and Breachers, although Breachers aren't terrible. Crisis suits, on the other hand, are hot crap at their current points cost and statline.
I'd bet good money sadly that bike captains are going to be pointed insanely high come CA 2018 :(
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2018/07/16 05:45:58
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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!!Goffik Rocker!!
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max_power wrote:Plague Marines. I love them so much, but they are such garbage on the tabletop.
Plague marines are not half bad as min squads with 2 plague launchers marching alongside a chaos lord/ dp with a re-roll to-wound aura for plague weapons. Not like it's sweeping tourneys but it's decent. Definitely not garbage.
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2018/07/16 06:10:47
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Nasty Nob
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When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
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I am the kinda ork that takes his own washing machine apart, puts new bearings in it, then puts it back together, and it still works. |
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2018/07/16 06:23:47
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Rismonite wrote:When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.
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2018/07/16 06:34:21
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Veteran Inquisitorial Tyranid Xenokiller
Watch Fortress Excalibris
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In my =][= / Deathwatch army:
Inquisitorial Acolytes
In my Night Lords army:
Land Raider
Regular Chaos Marines
In my Angels of Silence (loyalist SM) army:
Centurion Devastators (yes, I actually like the models!)
10-man Tactical Squads
Despite my burning hatred for CAAC-types, I'm actually a pretty casual/fluffy player myself. As long as a list is functional, I'll happily include a few 'non-competitive' units. I do wish GW would discover some game design competence and make the units that should form the core of their faction in the fluff actually worth a damn on the tabletop.
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A little bit of righteous anger now and then is good, actually. Don't trust a person who never gets angry. |
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2018/07/16 06:44:41
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Commander of the Mysterious 2nd Legion
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Rismonite wrote:When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
I suspect when he says "have to" what the OP more meant was "Units you force yourself to take anyway because you like them" or something
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2018/07/16 07:01:49
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Delvarus Centurion wrote: Rismonite wrote:When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.
Like
2x Daemon Princes
Magnus
Mortarian
Kytan
and 3x 10 pink horrors?
Like that kind of elite? Yeah. Must be a real bummer.... Automatically Appended Next Post: All that said...Dorkanauts, Kans, D-Dreads immediately spring to mind.
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2018/07/16 07:40:35
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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BrianDavion wrote: Rismonite wrote:When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
I suspect when he says "have to" what the OP more meant was "Units you force yourself to take anyway because you like them" or something
Yup. Automatically Appended Next Post: doktor_g wrote: Delvarus Centurion wrote: Rismonite wrote:When you say 'have to' I think troop choices. Well I have to field ork boyz, and they suck because they die in droves, flee without great support, can't shoot, require a terrible transport to reliably get in CC, are the only thing in our codex, earn me command points for which I only have mediocre strategems, and I need about 180 of them to only be good enough to be accused of being a slowplayer.
Am I the whinner?
Ork boys are great, cheap and tonnes of them, try playing an elite army and you'll come to appreciate them.
Like
2x Daemon Princes
Magnus
Mortarian
Kytan
and 3x 10 pink horrors?
Like that kind of elite? Yeah. Must be a real bummer....
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All that said...Dorkanauts, Kans, D-Dreads immediately spring to mind.
That isn't an elite army, I mean elite like in grey knights, custodes harlequins etc. armies with little choice to pick from and low model count.
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2018/07/16 07:42:36
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Dakka Veteran
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Durkihari hellions...... love the look but oh my goodness are they bad on the table.
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2018/07/16 08:32:46
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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Frenzied Berserker Terminator
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Skullhammer wrote:Durkihari hellions...... love the look but oh my goodness are they bad on the table.
They do look awesome, I've really got to start a DE army some day. I think I'll actually buy the Lelith Hesperax model before GW ruin the update, I would also do that with the Archon but they already ruined it with by losing the helmet and giving him the count chocula folded arms pose.
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2018/07/16 08:36:04
Subject: Units you have to field that are crap.
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The Dread Evil Lord Varlak
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Militia Squdas:
Priced as a guardsmen, profile of a conscript armored with a pyjama and the possibility of a ld of 3.
CSM: well the regular CSM and the Terminators.
I just like the reaper autocannon to much.
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https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/766717.page
A Mostly Renegades and Heretics blog.
GW:"Space marines got too many options to balance, therefore we decided to legends HH units."
Players: "why?!? Now we finally got decent plastic kits and you cut them?"
Chaos marines players: "Since when are Daemonengines 30k models and why do i have NO droppods now?"
GW" MONEY.... erm i meant TOO MANY OPTIONS (to resell your army to you again by disalowing former units)! Do you want specific tyranid fighiting Primaris? Even a new sabotage lieutnant!"
Chaos players: Guess i stop playing or go to HH. |
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