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With Guilliman now in charge of the Imperium is it possible the other Primarchs might return to fight by his side?

Lion El'Johnsson is asleep in the heart of the Rock, waiting for the time to return. Only the Emperor knows this......but Guilliman was given a private audience with the Emperor.......so who knows if he knows this secret too?

Corax hasn't been seen in Millenia and was last seen heading towards the Eye of Terror. A lone crusader in a dangerous world....the world of the. Oh sorry wrong franchise. Could he return?

Jaghatai Khan was last seen fighting Dark Eldar in the webway, and is said to have been lost for over 8000 years there. Now, if you have a problem. if no-one else can help, and the Imperium could find him, maybe they could hire...oh sorry again.

Vulkan was last seen during the War of the Beast detonating a psychic charge that obliterated both himself and The Beast. But Vulkan is a Perpetual, able to regenerate from even the most tiny few cells. So unless that blast was enough to vaporize him completely it's possible. He is immortal, born in M30 and he may still be alive. He cannot die, unless you take his head (and the rest of him). For thousands of years he could have been a warrior, a lover, a wanderer. Constantly facing others in combat to the death..........ok i'll stop. maybe

Rogal Dorn is supposed to have died aboard a Chaos Cruiser in M31, but conflicting accounts make his fate unknown. Either his body is encased in resin aboard the Phalanx, and his skeleton hand is a holy relic. Or there is no body and only the hand was recovered. Indeed Vulkan himself says he will speak highly of the Imperial Fists when he sees Dorn next. Whether that is an allegory to Vulkan meeting him in the afterlife or if Dorn stil lives.......... Dorn doesn't approve of laughter so no franchise here

Leman Russ left the Space Wolves in M31 declaring he would return for the Wolf Time. He took the 13th Company with him, and if the stories of Ragnar Blackmane are to be believed the Primarch and the 13th were separated while in the Eye of Terror. The 13th became Wulfen and fought against Chaos while searching for their Primarch, until Blackmane brought them back to the Space Wolves. It's possible Russ is a prisoner of Chaos ( Magnus?). Could he return?

Sanguinius.....his body rests in the inner sanctum of the Blood Angels' Fortress Monastery. But certain things may mean he can be restored.:
Belisarius Cawl has access to the geneseed of all 20 primarchs......so it is possible Sanguinius could be cloned...
The Sanquinor is a psychic construct many believe to be the essence of Sanguinius himself.
Corbulo has had increasing visions of coming darkness, but also of a golden winged figure protecting the Imperium. This could be Dante.....but it could be Sanguinius returned?
Is it a bird?
Is it a plane?

Ferrus Manus........unless he's cloned he's pretty much dead dead.

Well Space Wolves haven;t got their codex yet and the optimistic view is GW saved them for so long (compared to the other major space marine armies which came out relaitivly early in 8th) for a reason. Russ would also storyline wise make a good foil for Gulliman, not being rebellious and being willing and able to work with him, well also being willing to second guess Gulliman and remind him that his gak does in fact stink. So I think Russ seems a potential good choice, but we'll have to see. it's possiable that for the forseeable future Gulliman will be "it" but I suspect a primarch mini is too good money for GW to pass up.

On a lighter note.

Which franchises did you spot in that post?

A Team
Superman
Conan? (vulkan)?
Star Wars? (Lion el)?
Night Rider

CLOSE SO CLOSE!!

answer is:

Knight Rider
A Team
HIGHLANDER
Superman


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Knight Rider. A shadowy flight into the world of a man who does not exist. Michael Knight, a young loner on a crusade to champion the cause of the innocent, the helpless, the powerless. In a world of criminals who operate above the law.

In 1972 a miltary court sentenced a crack team of commandos to life in prison for a crime they didn't commit. These men promptly escaped from a maximum security stockade and fled to the L.A underground. Today, still wanted by the Government they survive as soldiers of fortune. Now, if you have a problem, if no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire....The A Team.

He is Duncan Macleod. Born in 1542 in the Highlands of Scotland, and he is still alive. He is immortal. For 400 years he's been a warrior. A lover. A wanderer. Constantly facing other immortals in combat to the death. The winner takes his enemy's head, and with it his power.
I am a Watcher. Part of a secret society that observes and records, but never interferes. We know the truth about immortals. In the end there can be only one. May it be Duncan Macloed, the Highlander.

Is it a bird
Is it a plane
NO
It's PLANEBIRD!

BrianDavion wrote:
Well Space Wolves haven;t got their codex yet and the optimistic view is GW saved them for so long (compared to the other major space marine armies which came out relaitivly early in 8th) for a reason. Russ would also storyline wise make a good foil for Gulliman, not being rebellious and being willing and able to work with him, well also being willing to second guess Gulliman and remind him that his gak does in fact stink. So I think Russ seems a potential good choice, but we'll have to see. it's possiable that for the forseeable future Gulliman will be "it" but I suspect a primarch mini is too good money for GW to pass up.

Yeah, this seems the most likely.

I would like Russ to come back but I think the Lion will be the next. If Sangiunius comes back the lore is just ruined, it would be so ridiculous, they'll probably do it for the money, its bad enough with Primaris and Cawl etc.

If I had to bet money I'd say Johnson is next, although Vulkan is not out of the question either.

It should be someone who, while not opposed to Guilliman, will disagree with him and cause conflict. A Civil War is not in order but some level of dissent would add intrigue to the narrative.

I vote for Sanguiniusi, fluff has already shown that drinking the 10k years diluted blood of Sanguinius gives the BA a measure of his power for a short while. So eating his pure corpse should let us have Sanguiniusi(Sanguiniuses?) run around. Truly fluff worthy of GW's writing

Think of the $$$ by selling a Conclave of Sanguiniusi formation!

(More serious, Corax might be an interesting one, having gone into the Eye of Terror and being there for so long will add an air of suspicion about his sudden return.)

 Arachnofiend wrote:
It should be someone who, while not opposed to Guilliman, will disagree with him and cause conflict. A Civil War is not in order but some level of dissent would add intrigue to the narrative.

It's why I think Russ might work, He's very much his own person, but never struck me as the type to conflict for the sake of it. As a plus we've also not seen Russ and Gulliman interact together at all.

Russ. New Space Wolves codex with new minis would be a powerful launch. If you add his Primarch...

Its gonna be the Lion, or Leman Russ. These armies actually have codexes they can support. The rest just "fit" into the SM Dex...
Leman Russ is gonna be a close combat monster, and probably will buff space wolves in melee.

Lion would probably be more akin to Guilliman, with an emphasis on fighting large monsters.

Russ would make sense, given we have Magnus back.

Russ also makes the most sense because both Angels codices have already drop and have not included their Primarch. Salamanders also are not going to get a Codex soon because they are included in the Astates codex already, so that rules out Vulkan
So unless the Astartes codex gets a reboot (which would be welcome) the only upcoming Marines Codex left is Wolves.

This makes Russ the most likely by far.
Of course, if the Codex drops without Russ, all bets are off and it could then be anyone.
But so far, 8E rules have been exclusively released in Indexes and Codices. There are no "supplements" or one-off datasheet releases like prior editions (at least none with new models).
This could change, of course, once all the Codices are out, but right now the best bet is Russ in the Wolves Codex.

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*Sigh*

Not looking forward to Russ+ TWC spam lists everywhere... With some Wulfen buffs. and Arjac. Gods I hate Arjac.

 Galef wrote:
Russ also makes the most sense because both Angels codices have already drop and have not included their Primarch. Salamanders also are not going to get a Codex soon because they are included in the Astates codex already, so that rules out Vulkan
So unless the Astartes codex gets a reboot (which would be welcome) the only upcoming Marines Codex left is Wolves.

This makes Russ the most likely by far.
Of course, if the Codex drops without Russ, all bets are off and it could then be anyone.
But so far, 8E rules have been exclusively released in Indexes and Codices. There are no "supplements" or one-off datasheet releases like prior editions (at least none with new models).
This could change, of course, once all the Codices are out, but right now the best bet is Russ in the Wolves Codex.

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8th is still pretty young, assuming we don't immediatly move to a new edition and codex cycle, the codex cycle is nearing compleition. it's safe to assume that once the codex cycle is mostly complete they'll need new things for us to buy, and I suspect we'll see the odd "big event"

When one looks at Primarch Releases there seems to be a pattern of them. Magnus was battleground Fenris, a big event battle. Gulliman's return was Gathering storm, Mortarian has a lot of people seeing a standard codex release but Death Guard where start of 8th and part of the big "plague war" event.

So over all I suspect Primarch Releases will tie in to big storyline events. IF we hear of a big orks vs space wolves campaign in septemember IMHO it adds weight to Russ returning.

My money is on Russ, as the wolves codex hasn't dropped yet and it would make the most sense.

However, Corax or Vulkan are good bets - armies that don't have a specific codex but could be released like Guilliman was.

 Galef wrote:

But so far, 8E rules have been exclusively released in Indexes and Codices. There are no "supplements" or one-off datasheet releases like prior editions (at least none with new models).

Not to be a Debbie Downer, but that's categorically not true. We've had several Forge World standalones, and if you want to just stick to GW we has several Primaris models pre-SM codex and we also had SLY MARBO as a stand-alone datasheet.

 Dr. Mills wrote:
My money is on Russ, as the wolves codex hasn't dropped yet and it would make the most sense.

However, Corax or Vulkan are good bets - armies that don't have a specific codex but could be released like Guilliman was.

Corax would be disgustingly good, given how strong RG are already, he'd proably have a re-roll to hit and wounds of 1 bubble combined with a aura that gives -1 to hit or something. he'd instantly obselete the other chapters.

In "Ashes of Prospero", Njal tries to scrye for the return of more Primarchs. His vision shows him a Sleeper in Stone (the Lion), a Shadow striking from the Darkness (Corax) and a Lightning Chariot (Khan) but no sign of Russ.

Whether Gav Thorpe was planting hints for planned future development or simply stirring the pot is not clear yet.

Potentially, both sides could have 7 Primarchs as only Sangy, Horus, Kurze, Ferrus, 2 and 11 are confirmed dead-and-staying-dead.

 Karhedron wrote:
In "Ashes of Prospero", Njal tries to scrye for the return of more Primarchs. His vision shows him a Sleeper in Stone (the Lion), a Shadow striking from the Darkness (Corax) and a Lightning Chariot (Khan) but no sign of Russ.

Whether Gav Thorpe was planting hints for planned future development or simply stirring the pot is not clear yet.

Potentially, both sides could have 7 Primarchs as only Sangy, Horus, Kurze, Ferrus, 2 and 11 are confirmed dead-and-staying-dead.

course it's also possiable that they could pull a giant suprise on us and have a new generation of Primarchs grown by Cawl...

Not saying they should but we shouldn't dismiss the possiability outright.

BrianDavion wrote:
course it's also possiable that they could pull a giant suprise on us and have a new generation of Primarchs grown by Cawl...

The HH novels have strongly implied that the Primarchs are a one-off and cannot be reproduced. They are more than the products of genetic engineering, they contain bottled warp-juice that the Emperor bargained/stole from the Chaos Gods.

 Karhedron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
course it's also possiable that they could pull a giant suprise on us and have a new generation of Primarchs grown by Cawl...

The HH novels have strongly implied that the Primarchs are a one-off and cannot be reproduced. They are more than the products of genetic engineering, they contain bottled warp-juice that the Emperor bargained/stole from the Chaos Gods.

Yet then there is Bile, who can seemingly make a pretty close to perfect clone with genetic material without having to do Empy shenanigans. If Bile can I don't see why superman Cawl can't do something similar, GW pretty much kicked the door down on this one.

Abby killed clone Horus. Would he have been able to take down the original? I doubt it. The clones may be physical and genetic copies of the Primarchs but they don't seem to possess their more exotic qualities.

If the Lion came back, it would probably plunge the imperium into a second civil war. He was passed over being the warmaster the first time around, and he was a little butthurt about it then. If he woke up, he probably wouldn't be too keen on playing second fiddile again, much less to Girlyman.

Russ, on the other hand, would probably be more than happy to be the imperium's executioner again. Russ seems most likely also simply because the SW codex is suspiciously late, at this point, and would be a good foil to Magus' release.

 Karhedron wrote:
Abby killed clone Horus. Would he have been able to take down the original? I doubt it. The clones may be physical and genetic copies of the Primarchs but they don't seem to possess their more exotic qualities.

They have to employ an entire warband to take him down, they open up with heavy and regular bolters and he still takes at least a dozen down before Abaddon can finish him. It is Horus, as stated they can feel its 'him' in Talon of Horus, with seemingly exotic bells and whistles attached:

Ashur-Kai felt it happen, as well. He had felt the Rubricea die in a way we had not believed possible.
What in the Gods' names is that? he sent to me in scholarly shock.
For the shadow of a second it made no sense. All of the other cloned creatures were flawed and wrong. How could this... How...?
I grasped after my link with Ashur-Kai. It... It is Horus Lupercal. Not a child cloned from scraps of tissue and drops of blood. Not an abomination half lost to mutation's touch and trapped inside a containment tank. It was Horus Lupercal, the First Primarch, Lord of the Space Marine Legions. Perhaps a touch younger looking than when any of us had last seen him, and clearly devoid of the Pantheon's touch. But still Horus Lupercal.

Take into account that Horus hasn't fully 'awoken' yet at this time and he has none of his Chaos powers while Abaddon and his warband do. I know TT rules are a bit of an abstraction, but iirc Primarch Horus from FW and Abaddon from CSM are pretty close in power.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
course it's also possiable that they could pull a giant suprise on us and have a new generation of Primarchs grown by Cawl...

The HH novels have strongly implied that the Primarchs are a one-off and cannot be reproduced. They are more than the products of genetic engineering, they contain bottled warp-juice that the Emperor bargained/stole from the Chaos Gods.

Yet then there is Bile, who can seemingly make a pretty close to perfect clone with genetic material without having to do Empy shenanigans. If Bile can I don't see why superman Cawl can't do something similar, GW pretty much kicked the door down on this one.

Cawl strikes a shadowy deal with Bile to make a new era primarch?

 ProtoClone wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:

 Karhedron wrote:

BrianDavion wrote:
course it's also possiable that they could pull a giant suprise on us and have a new generation of Primarchs grown by Cawl...

The HH novels have strongly implied that the Primarchs are a one-off and cannot be reproduced. They are more than the products of genetic engineering, they contain bottled warp-juice that the Emperor bargained/stole from the Chaos Gods.

Yet then there is Bile, who can seemingly make a pretty close to perfect clone with genetic material without having to do Empy shenanigans. If Bile can I don't see why superman Cawl can't do something similar, GW pretty much kicked the door down on this one.

Cawl strikes a shadowy deal with Bile to make a new era primarch?

Or Cawl is Fabius dun dun dun! It would explain his better than Empy mastery to make primaris marines, we already know Bile has clones. Time to head down the rabbit hole
But after Guilleman got up I wouldn't count out any plot twist.

Somehow i think it will be the Lion, because there isnt a forgeworld model yet. And they could go on with the Cypher Dark Angles Story. And then realese Leman Russ to hunt this filthy Traitors and make a new fist fight with the both super loyal Primarchs.
Kahn would be cool, but who plays Withe Scars?(i would if they release him with some cool withe scars bikes)
Vulkan is a big hero but somehow pretty boring.
Corax is in my opinion completely unnecessary.
Dorn would be like another Guiliman.

But it will be Russ because, one does not simply give the community what it wants.