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As far as I know when people meet blanks they are repulsed by them but what happens if 2 blanks meet each other? Are they unaffected?

Does it also increase the risk of burning out nearby psykers if nore than one is nearby or is a single null field as effective as many combined?
   
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Mellow wrote:
As far as I know when people meet blanks they are repulsed by them but what happens if 2 blanks meet each other? Are they unaffected?
I would expect them to be unaffected.
Humans are a psychic race. All normal humans possess both a presence in the warp, and some small sense of the warp. They can, to an absolutely tiny level, "sense" the warp-presence of the person they're talking to. Some humans do it a bit better than others (but nowhere near enough as to be classified as true psykers). However, even then it's not a conscious ability - they just believe that they're better judges of character than normal.
Blanks either lack that warp-presence entirely, or mask it*. Most** depictions of blanks also give them no awareness of the warp.

Consider a normal human observer - let's call her Alice. Her eyes are telling her that Barry (the blank) is walking over there. Her ears are telling her that Barry is walking over here. Her spirit cannot detect Barry's warp-presence. Her subconsciousness is therefore telling her that there's absolutely nothing there are at. The contradiction is... unpleasant.
So... the whole "is-freaked-out-at-the-presence-of-a-blank" thing depends on whether the observer possess the ability to sense things through the warp. Most** depictions of blanks also give them no awareness, and so I wouldn't expect blanks to be able differentiate between a blank and a regular human.

*Either totally, or partially. It depends on the author.
**But not all.

Mellow wrote:
Does it also increase the risk of burning out nearby psykers if nore than one is nearby or is a single null field as effective as many combined?
I don't know.
   
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Pariahs essential have a negative psychic potential: some are stronger than others and yes, multiples would 'stack'.

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So psykers(+) can burn out blanks (-) if the difference in power is big enough and the burnout can work in both ways. Taking an extreme example would be how did The Emperor manage to work alongside the Sisters when we presume that either He would burn them out or their combined power would “stack” and burn Him out. I feel it’s something that should be explained a little better somewhere.
   
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I'd guess they are unaffected by other blanks. Eisenhorn was able to put the Distaff together and they worked well. I'm not sure if multiple blanks together would amplify their powers. If they create a warpless hole around themselves, I don't think there being 2 could make it more warpless if that makes sense.

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Mellow wrote:
As far as I know when people meet blanks they are repulsed by them but what happens if 2 blanks meet each other? Are they unaffected?

Does it also increase the risk of burning out nearby psykers if nore than one is nearby or is a single null field as effective as many combined?


They like being around one another, as sisters coming back from the black ships now have found community with one another again, but they are still very insular people. [spoiler]:

"I had loved my sisters. It was a fierce, almost desperate kind of love, born of
the fact that we shared such a unique bond. All of us could remember the time
when we had been dragged into the convent, filthy and starving, more used to
blows than words of explanation, and then slowly realised that this place was
safe, and that it had been made for us, and that we were not alone in the
universe. It was not a comfortable existence. We were trained, sometimes brutally. Hestia
was not motivated by any benevolent sense of care, but by a pitiless vocation
rooted in ancient doctrine. Some who found their way into the convent died soon
afterwards, at times from exhaustion, at times by taking their own life. Those
who survived became stronger in both body and mind. We learned secrets about
the universe, ones that would have been our death sentence if ever uttered
outside the walls of that place. Before we took our vow of tranquility, we spoke and chattered and gossiped
just as all juveniles did. We even laughed, whenever our regulated days would
allow, sharing private jests about our humourless instructors. Even once the time
for spoken words had passed, we still shared those bonds. Thoughtmark, in its
fullest form, was an expressive language, in some ways more so than standard
speech, and the friendships I made were all the stronger for the adversity in
which they had been forged.Now I could only recall their faces – Erynn, Catale, Ruja – bloodied by their
untimely deaths. The memory of that was like a wound, gaping and blood-raw,
taking me right back to my earliest days as a hunted infant, unable to understand
why the whole world seemed intent on causing me harm.
I could share that grief with no one. I was as alone as I had ever been,
surrounded only by the besoulled, who could never understand that it is hard for
our kind to be isolated. We have less to draw on internally than others, and the
great irony of our self-imposed seclusion is that we need human fellowship
more, for it temporarily fills the void lurking within our own hearts.
I began to dread what I would find when we finally arrived at the Throneworld.
I was under no illusions that the journey would be easy, or even that we would
make it at all. Hestia had once told me that the pilgrim-route was only for the
deluded, and that the chances of reaching Holy Terra as an individual were tiny.
Now that the High Lords seemingly wished to forget all about the Sisterhood of
Silence – how I hated that name! – we could be sure of no special treatment to
ease our passage.But I pushed the ship onwards, keeping it at the limit of its power, ignoring the
warnings of Slovo and his acolytes to respect the turbulence of the warp.
In my mind, the three things were surely linked. The Old Legions making their
return, the targeting of the convent, the gathering storm in the ether. You did not
need to be a seer to realise that some new alignment was in progress, and that we
had struggled on for too long with the old ways when their efficacy had long
since ceased" - Watchers of the Throne

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Mellow wrote:
So psykers(+) can burn out blanks (-) if the difference in power is big enough and the burnout can work in both ways. Taking an extreme example would be how did The Emperor manage to work alongside the Sisters when we presume that either He would burn them out or their combined power would “stack” and burn Him out. I feel it’s something that should be explained a little better somewhere.


There is an example of a blank "burning out" in the Ravenor series.

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This is, emphatically, why I will continue suggesting nuking Guard and starting over again. It's a legacy army that needs to be rebooted with a new focal point.

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 Dysartes wrote:
Mellow wrote:
So psykers(+) can burn out blanks (-) if the difference in power is big enough and the burnout can work in both ways. Taking an extreme example would be how did The Emperor manage to work alongside the Sisters when we presume that either He would burn them out or their combined power would “stack” and burn Him out. I feel it’s something that should be explained a little better somewhere.


There is an example of a blank "burning out" in the Ravenor series.


Its the same with daemons, some daemons they effect greatly but the greater daemons are just annoyed by them, kinda similar to the grey knights psychic aura. I think it all depends on the strength or lack their of. The more sisters of silence you have for instance the greater their effect. The sisters saw through the Emperors glamour, they just saw a young man with lines on his face and a silent scream from vicariously dealing with the anguish of mankind.

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That said, things in this regard are sometimes portrayed a little differantly from source to source, which can easily be dimissed as "well chaos is chaotic"

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Rules wise, all sisters of silence are pariahs, and they work in squads of 5-10. Their negative impact on psykers stacks per squad (up to -4). I think that limit is more about game balance than fluff, otherwise it undermines the whole "burnout" concept by imposing a hard limit to the amount of psychic distress a model can be made to suffer.

The Cullexus further weaponize their pariah effect, doing -2; the wording of the rule indicates that psyker suffers the penalty if any Cullexus are within 18 inches- implying no stack. This penalty would, however, stack with the penalty from sisters.

That's still a hard limit of -6.

I like GW fiction, and I do think it has a place in rounding out the worlds of 40k, but as much as I appreciate it, I take it with a grain of salt- especially when it is at odds with something out of a rulebook.

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PenitentJake wrote:
Rules wise, all sisters of silence are pariahs, and they work in squads of 5-10. Their negative impact on psykers stacks per squad (up to -4). I think that limit is more about game balance than fluff, otherwise it undermines the whole "burnout" concept by imposing a hard limit to the amount of psychic distress a model can be made to suffer.

The Cullexus further weaponize their pariah effect, doing -2; the wording of the rule indicates that psyker suffers the penalty if any Cullexus are within 18 inches- implying no stack. This penalty would, however, stack with the penalty from sisters.

That's still a hard limit of -6.

I like GW fiction, and I do think it has a place in rounding out the worlds of 40k, but as much as I appreciate it, I take it with a grain of salt- especially when it is at odds with something out of a rulebook.


Nope it does get stronger [spoiler]:

"The sensation of being surrounded by so many null-souls in such a confined
space was, I admit, unnerving. The effect was cumulative, and the further in that
I went, the more I became aware of the strange sense of numbness in the filtered
air. I had noticed it less during the heat of battle, but now, with something like
normality restored, I could begin to understand why it had been so easy for them
to slip away from us. It was hard to be around them, to tolerate the vague and
nagging sense of wrongness that they exuded. I resolved to concentrate, to
overcome such quintessentially human weakness. I was supposed to be beyond
such things, after all" - watchers of the throne

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Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.

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pm713 wrote:
Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.


Just don't read them.
   
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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.


Just don't read them.

So basically you'd rather be an ignorant arse than take two seconds to be a decent person?

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pm713 wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.


Just don't read them.

So basically you'd rather be an ignorant arse than take two seconds to be a decent person?


I post the whole quote for the person to see the context. You don't have to read it, the scroll button will go past it faster than a split second so I don't see what your problem is. Plus we all love the lore, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read all of it, I would, its not like you haven't got the time, you're on a 40k forum. Are you going to complain to everyone on this thread as the more people that post the longer the time you have to scroll? I mean how can you think I'm quoting to be an arse, why would anyone ever think that is an intentional attempt to annoy someone. I'm an donkey-cave but not an intentional donkey-cave, if people are cool with me I'm normally cool with them.

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 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.


Just don't read them.

So basically you'd rather be an ignorant arse than take two seconds to be a decent person?


I post the whole quote for the person to see the context. You don't have to read it, the scroll button will go past it faster than a split second so I don't see what your problem is. Plus we all love the lore, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read all of it, I would, its not like you haven't got the time, you're on a 40k forum. Are you going to complain to everyone on this thread as the more people that post the longer the time you have to scroll? I mean how can you think I'm quoting to be an arse, why would anyone ever think that is an intentional attempt to annoy someone. I'm an donkey-cave but not an intentional donkey-cave, if people are cool with me I'm normally cool with them.


might I suggest using spoiler tags?

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
pm713 wrote:
Do you need to keep posting oversized quotes? It's annoying and makes it harder to read for anyone on mobile.


Just don't read them.

So basically you'd rather be an ignorant arse than take two seconds to be a decent person?


I post the whole quote for the person to see the context. You don't have to read it, the scroll button will go past it faster than a split second so I don't see what your problem is. Plus we all love the lore, I don't see why you wouldn't want to read all of it, I would, its not like you haven't got the time, you're on a 40k forum. Are you going to complain to everyone on this thread as the more people that post the longer the time you have to scroll? I mean how can you think I'm quoting to be an arse, why would anyone ever think that is an intentional attempt to annoy someone. I'm an donkey-cave but not an intentional donkey-cave, if people are cool with me I'm normally cool with them.


might I suggest using spoiler tags?


Sure.
   
 
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