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When paying 3 CP to set up two units in the webway, would they be set up one at a time? Does the stratagem force/allow you to essentially "deploy" two units at the same time?

 mokoshkana wrote:
When paying 3 CP to set up two units in the webway, would they be set up one at a time? Does the stratagem force/allow you to essentially "deploy" two units at the same time?

You set them up at the same time. It's a similar situation to transports. Multiple units taking up one "drop" or deployment.

Example: I have 2 Tactical Squads, you have 2 Guardian Squads.
I deploy a Tactical Squad.
You deploy 2 Guardian Squads via the stratagem.
You have finished deploying first for the purposes of Mission Rules.
I deploy a Tactical Squad.

Do you mean when they deploy before the battle, as in in the webway, or when they arrive in the table, mid battle?

He means during deployment, via the Stratagem, and BCB has the right of it here.

Cool. Do have it right that when they actually arrive they can be on different turns and things, but deploy is one “drop”. (Hate that term).

Andykp wrote:
Cool. Do have it right that when they actually arrive they can be on different turns and things, but deploy is one “drop”. (Hate that term).

Yep!

I disagree with BCB's interpretation. The way I read it the stratagem just gives permission for the units to be set up in the webway during one of your normal deployments rather than actually setting them up as part of the stratagem.

I don't see any way of interpreting it where it would be 1 drop, either they would both be set up in the webway as part of a stratagem which doesn't say that you use it instead of a normal deployment making it take 0 drops or the drops aren't part of the stratagem in which case each unit would take up one of your normal drops.

I am not sure it has been ruled on. I have always played it like it is 2 drops. Which I am going to do consecutively. So I have my opponents deploy 2 units because I am going to DS 2 units.

Ya know, it "condensing" 2 drops into 1 is probably the only reason for the Strat to jump up to 3CPs.
So you pay 1CP for 1 unit and 2 more CPs for a second unit that doesn't create another "drop"

So yeah, both units have to count as a single deployment, otherwise the Strat is clearly overcosted.

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I was really onboard with BCB and JohnnyHell here, but after looking into it, I think the correct way may actually be to do it one at a time. Here's an example of this kind of stratagem, from Warhammer Community:



According to this, the stratagem allows you to set up either 1 or 2 units in the webway instead of placing them on the battlefield. Now, this can be interpreted in one of 2 ways:

#1 - The Stratagem allows you to IMMEDIATELY set up those units.

#2 - The Stratagem allows the unit to be set up different when it is set up.

If we go with the first method, then there's no real timing restriction on this, so it would actually allow you to use this stratagem at any time. This could include while you are setting up another unit (effectively allowing you to set up 3 units at the same time). This would be using the "you can" verbiage as a requirement, which would require fulfilling the text immediately.

If we go with the second method, then it's giving two units a new option for setting up, but doesn't change the times that they are set up at. You could still use this stratagem at any time, choosing 1 or 2 unit as you do so, but would otherwise continue following the normal rules for setting units up. This would be using the "you can" verbiage as giving you an option, not a a requirement.

As such, when broken down like this, I think the answer is clearly option #2, which is the opposite of what I initially thought.

There’s no way this allows counting 3 units as one drop when it states it allows 2 units to be set up in that way. That’s a misreading, whichever of your two options you think it counts as.

 JohnnyHell wrote:
There’s no way this allows counting 3 units as one drop when it states it allows 2 units to be set up in that way. That’s a misreading, whichever of your two options you think it counts as.

It isn't setting up 3 units as 1 drop it is 1 normal drop and setting up 2 units for 0 drops using the stratagem because it doesn't replace a normal drop. *using that interpretation which I don't believe.*

 JohnnyHell wrote:
There’s no way this allows counting 3 units as one drop when it states it allows 2 units to be set up in that way. That’s a misreading, whichever of your two options you think it counts as.

Reread my post. I said I believe it is Option #2, which is the exact opposite one.