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2018/07/26 04:43:02
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Scouting Gnoblar Trapper
Baltimore, MD
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Hey all, I have a friend picking up 30k and of course he had to take my favorite legion, Imperial Fist. I figured its only fair to hit him where it hurts and play their mortal enemies (who are my favorite traitors so it all works out lol). Now our group is fairly small and in no way competitive in the Tournament sense (no phosphex spam, limited primarch/spartan deathstar blobs, etc). So with that i mind i came up with this. It might not be optimized, but i should have my bases covered amd should be a bunch of fun since it has my 2 favorite things, terms and artillery. Let me know what you think!
+ HQ +
Erasmus Golg [595pts]
. Master of the Legion
. . Terminator Command Squad, Legion: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. . . Land Raider Phobos: 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons, Armoured Ceramite, Auxiliary Drive, Extra Armour, Multi Melta, Shrapnel Bolts
. . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Chainfist, Combi-Bolter
. . . Standard Bearer, Legion: Combi-bolter, Power Fist
Siege Breaker [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul: Siege Breaker
. Power Weapon: Power Axe
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Terminator Squad, Legion [195pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Terminator Squad, Legion [195pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Terminator Squad, Legion [195pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Terminator Squad, Legion [195pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
+ Heavy Support +
Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [515pts]: Squadron Command Tank
. Medusa, Legion: Extra Armour, Medusa Siege Gun, Shrapnel Bolts
. Medusa, Legion: Extra Armour, Medusa Siege Gun, Shrapnel Bolts
. Medusa, Legion: Extra Armour, Medusa Siege Gun, Shrapnel Bolts
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought [185pts]: Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Anvilius Pattern Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [295pts]: 4x Tyrant Terminator
Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor
Rite of War: The Ironfire
++ Total: [2500pts] ++
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2018/07/26 05:59:25
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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This isn't optimized, no, but it also doesn't cover that many bases. Cataphractii on foot are irritating to try and do anything with since they can't Run; you're looking at a turn 3 charge at the very earliest in most deployments, assuming your opponent isn't trying to close with you, and if they are you're probably not in great shape running a pile of Unwieldy powerfist attacks into a scary melee unit. I'd suggest trying to assume that your army is two or three tanks full of Terminators rather than one tank full of Terminators and a bunch of Terminators on foot; you'll be tougher, more flexible, carry more firepower, get into melee more easily, and have the ability to pick your fights. I'd also suggest running at least one quad-mortar battery with the Ironfire; you don't have to be an optimized phosphex-spamming a**hole to look at the most perfect marriage of unit and Rite imaginable and think "hrm, maybe I should do that, then."
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2018/07/26 07:50:12
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It will look great on the table, but as 'rake says, it will be frustrating to play. I wouldn't squadron your medusas, barrage fire and big templates means that you will be lucky if two out of three actually hit your target. If they are separate, you can resolve them separately, and spread your fire. Also, they are very easy to remove, so a decent round of fire could destroy the whole squadron (i.e. my 10 man autocannon havocs would statistically wipe out the whole unit in a single round of shooting).
You aren't going to get much benefit from the ironfire, as it's only your phobos that has a chance of getting close (so, unsupported, your command unit becomes a suicide squad.)
I'd also add that armour is going to be a struggle for you, you won't be able to catch it, no heavy weapons or chainfists in units to whittle hull points down. You might feel like you have a good amount, but you will need to think really carefully about how they will work together. Siege tyrants wrapped around the deredo centre field, getting a 3++ would lay down a lot of fire, siege tyrant giving them tank hunter even better (I assume that is your intention?)
I'd probably look at your command squad, think about how it will work with the rest of the army, and maybe consider if those points could be better spent (some reaper auto cannons or plasma blasters, for example.)
All that said, hope you have fun with them, I've found iron warriors immensely enjoyable. I'd recommend that you pay attention to the fast attack section, always catches people out when they know your legion and assume bodies and artillery exclusively; my multimelta attack bike with melta bombs always reap a high tally
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2018/07/27 04:28:13
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Unhealthy Competition With Other Legions
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JamesY wrote:It will look great on the table, but as 'rake says, it will be frustrating to play. I wouldn't squadron your medusas, barrage fire and big templates means that you will be lucky if two out of three actually hit your target. If they are separate, you can resolve them separately, and spread your fire. Also, they are very easy to remove, so a decent round of fire could destroy the whole squadron (i.e. my 10 man autocannon havocs would statistically wipe out the whole unit in a single round of shooting).
You aren't going to get much benefit from the ironfire, as it's only your phobos that has a chance of getting close (so, unsupported, your command unit becomes a suicide squad.)
I'd also add that armour is going to be a struggle for you, you won't be able to catch it, no heavy weapons or chainfists in units to whittle hull points down. You might feel like you have a good amount, but you will need to think really carefully about how they will work together. Siege tyrants wrapped around the deredo centre field, getting a 3++ would lay down a lot of fire, siege tyrant giving them tank hunter even better (I assume that is your intention?)
I'd probably look at your command squad, think about how it will work with the rest of the army, and maybe consider if those points could be better spent (some reaper auto cannons or plasma blasters, for example.)
All that said, hope you have fun with them, I've found iron warriors immensely enjoyable. I'd recommend that you pay attention to the fast attack section, always catches people out when they know your legion and assume bodies and artillery exclusively; my multimelta attack bike with melta bombs always reap a high tally
Legion Artillery tanks are 0-1 Choice pretty sure, unless they changed that? So he won’t be able to split it up.
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2018/07/31 23:12:01
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Scouting Gnoblar Trapper
Baltimore, MD
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With all that in mind, hows this? Dropped 2 term squads and a medusa for 2 raiders, 2 quads, and a pavaise. Gives me a more protected firebase and lets 3 raiders advance as a wall with arty raining down in front. I can even give the medusas phosphex for free to dissuade any infantry charging the raiders. Was gonna dump the command squad for a 3rd term troop squad, but then golg is on foot, and i can even get a box of terms, use 4 for the squad, and the last would be the siege breaker. Better?
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Erasmus Golg [570pts]
. Master of the Legion
. . Terminator Command Squad, Legion: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. . . Land Raider Phobos: 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons, Shrapnel Bolts
. . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. . . Space Marine Chosen, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. . . Standard Bearer, Legion: Combi-bolter, Power Fist
Siege Breaker [130pts]: Combi-Bolter, On Foot
. Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour: Terminator Armour
. Consul: Siege Breaker
. Power Weapon: Power Axe
+ Elites +
Quad Launcher Support Battery, Legion [60pts]: Rapier, Legion
Quad Launcher Support Battery, Legion [60pts]: Rapier, Legion
+ Troops +
Terminator Squad, Legion , Compulsory [420pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Land Raider Phobos: 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons, Shrapnel Bolts
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
Terminator Squad, Legion , Compulsory [420pts]: Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour
. Land Raider Phobos: 2x Twin-linked Lascannon Sponsons, Shrapnel Bolts
. Terminator Sergeant, Legion: Combi-Bolter
. . Power Weapon: Power Maul
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
. Terminators, Legion: Combi-Bolter, Power Fist
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Artillery Tank Squadron, Legion [310pts]
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun, Shrapnel Bolts
. Medusa, Legion: Medusa Siege Gun, Shrapnel Bolts
Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought [235pts]: Atomantic Pavaise, Shrapnel Bolts, Twin-linked Anvilius Pattern Autocannon Battery, Twin-linked Heavy Bolter
Tyrant Siege Terminator Squad [295pts]: 4x Tyrant Terminator
Legion and Allegiance: IV: Iron Warriors, Traitor
Rite of War: The Ironfire
++ Total: [2500pts]
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Man is not punished by his sins, but by his conscious- Anon
Rynns Revenge~3500pts |
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2018/12/26 05:37:23
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Scouting Gnoblar Trapper
Baltimore, MD
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Anything? Guys?...Bueller? Bueller?
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Man is not punished by his sins, but by his conscious- Anon
Rynns Revenge~3500pts |
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2018/12/26 06:13:42
Subject: Re:New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Shrieking Traitor Sentinel Pilot
USA
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Well, I'll post to let you know someone is actually looking at it. I can't offer any actual help because I only play HH in 8th, and thus don't really know any 7th rules. The best I can do is say it'd look cool.
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2018/12/26 19:37:19
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Regular Dakkanaut
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I'm not sure the pavaise is worth it. Yes, you get a pretty nice invun on the tyrants, but for that you have to bunch them together, making them a prime target for templates.
If you drop it, you could give the land raiders dozer blades, to keep them from getting stuck, because if that happens, the terminators have to walk meaning they won't get anything done.
With your list your first turn will be extremly important. As you need to get the terminators close to the enemy.
Basically it boils down to the question if your opponent has the means to take down more than one land raider in his first turn, because if he goes first and is able to do that, you will most likely lose.
Also, I don't know your local meta, so I don't know how prevalent meltas are, but if people play them try to find the point for armoured ceramite on your raiders. It will make them way more survivable.
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2018/12/30 17:24:30
Subject: New to Iron Warriors, looking for help
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
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Crap; I always forget about dozer blades/armoured ceramite, my mechanized lists are usually Covenant of Fire (Move Through Cover to everyone and 5++ v. melta/plasma/flamer to all vehicles) and can get by without them.
Your modeling theory on the Terminators isn't necessarily going to work; the 295pt minimum Tyrant squad is five models (4 Tyrant Terminators/1 Tyrant Siege Master). I might also suggest considering that even with a 3++ they've still only got one wound each, which makes them kind of vulnerable to counter-battery; maybe rather than buying a Pavise Deredeo take advantage of the fact that they move and fire at full effectiveness to play terrain hide-and-seek with them. Avoid getting shot rather than trusting to the dice.
I think dropping the Pavise saves you enough for Armoured Ceramite/dozer blades on three Land Raiders, you could get the fourth by going down from four powerfists to two powerfists/two power weapons (usually if Initiative is a factor you're screwed anyway because you're fighting something like Deathshrouds or Phoenix Terminators who have a 2+ save and can get AP2 at higher Initiative than Unwieldy and you can't, so you don't lose much by going for axes) on the Troops squads. (Addendum: Just double-checked the costs and that's 5pts out (+75 for 3x armoured ceramite+dozer blade, -70 for dropping the pavise and four powerfists), but seeing as the Siege Breaker mostly exists to be attached to the Siege Breakers and feed them targeting data you could skip the Terminator armour on him, which would also mean you don't need to buy a sixteenth Terminator, maybe?)
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