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Started reading the sisters of battle omnibus and I was surprised to read that the Lord Viktor LaHayn started learning about obscure Imperial histories and briefly spoke on the Star Child theory. He also used the an engine supposedly made by the Emperor called the psymagnus apparat, that creates psykers and that LaHayn says that that was the Emperors unfinished task. Obviously that isn't concrete as even though he said he'd wake the Emperor up after becoming the most powerful psyker he also then called himself 'the' god. Interesting stuff even if its old lore, but I've always wondered how the Emperor would have advanced humankind to being powerful psykers when they are so consistently destroyed. I would have always wished that lore would come out where the imperium had, secret worlds where psykers were the population, obviously small populations as they would have to be controlled, it'd be a bit hard for sisters of silence who are even rarer to bring a world to order.

IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

pm713 wrote:
IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

But the Sisters of Silence were actively charged with killing psykers on mass even during the great crusade, maybe I mean apart from the Whispering towers they are held in positions all over the galaxy and in those positions there are few congregations of psykers, so it would be very rare for them to mate with other psykers. Maybe in the future the Emperor was planning on do something about it. I suppose that there are always psykers out there keeping there psykerism a secret and many pass through the gaps.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

But the Sisters of Silence were actively charged with killing psykers on mass even during the great crusade, maybe I mean apart from the Whispering towers they are held in positions all over the galaxy and in those positions there are few congregations of psykers, so it would be very rare for them to mate with other psykers. Maybe in the future the Emperor was planning on do something about it.

"YOU AND YOU! BY MY HOLY ORDERS GET BUSY WITH IT"
- The Emperor

 ChargerIIC wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

But the Sisters of Silence were actively charged with killing psykers on mass even during the great crusade, maybe I mean apart from the Whispering towers they are held in positions all over the galaxy and in those positions there are few congregations of psykers, so it would be very rare for them to mate with other psykers. Maybe in the future the Emperor was planning on do something about it.

"YOU AND YOU! BY MY HOLY ORDERS GET BUSY WITH IT"
- The Emperor

LOL I order you under the authority of the God Emperor of mankind to get jiggy with it .

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

But the Sisters of Silence were actively charged with killing psykers on mass even during the great crusade, maybe I mean apart from the Whispering towers they are held in positions all over the galaxy and in those positions there are few congregations of psykers, so it would be very rare for them to mate with other psykers. Maybe in the future the Emperor was planning on do something about it. I suppose that there are always psykers out there keeping there psykerism a secret and many pass through the gaps.

they where used to fight psykers not because the emperor wanted them dead but because psykers could be a huuge threat that you needed specialized tools to deal with.

BrianDavion wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:
IIRC the plan was just wait for it to happen naturally as without culling them the psykers would go forth and spread. Or as the Doctor said humans will spread across the galaxy and dance.

But the Sisters of Silence were actively charged with killing psykers on mass even during the great crusade, maybe I mean apart from the Whispering towers they are held in positions all over the galaxy and in those positions there are few congregations of psykers, so it would be very rare for them to mate with other psykers. Maybe in the future the Emperor was planning on do something about it. I suppose that there are always psykers out there keeping there psykerism a secret and many pass through the gaps.

they where used to fight psykers not because the emperor wanted them dead but because psykers could be a huuge threat that you needed specialized tools to deal with.

They still killed psykers, I didn't mean that he wanted them all dead, obviously not seeing that I said he wanted mankind to evolution into psykers, but he didn't do anything to actively, he actually actively did the opposite as psykers were spread throughout the Imperium and dangerous psykers were killed of course it was necessary but when was he going to employ a plan to advance the evolution or whether he planed to just let nature take its course.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Started reading the sisters of battle omnibus and I was surprised to read that the Lord Viktor LaHayn started learning about obscure Imperial histories and briefly spoke on the Star Child theory. He also used the an engine supposedly made by the Emperor called the psymagnus apparat, that creates psykers and that LaHayn says that that was the Emperors unfinished task. Obviously that isn't concrete as even though he said he'd wake the Emperor up after becoming the most powerful psyker he also then called himself 'the' god. Interesting stuff even if its old lore, but I've always wondered how the Emperor would have advanced humankind to being powerful psykers when they are so consistently destroyed. I would have always wished that lore would come out where the imperium had, secret worlds where psykers were the population, obviously small populations as they would have to be controlled, it'd be a bit hard for sisters of silence who are even rarer to bring a world to order.

What did he say about the star child theory ( my fave theory of the emps)?

Nothing wrong with “old lore”. It’s when they wrote their best stuff. Psyker planets would be problematic as you say but the emperor seemed to have plans for everything so probably did for psykers too. Maybe tied in with the webway project and a way to protect them from the warp and the chaos gods. No idea what.

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
Started reading the sisters of battle omnibus and I was surprised to read that the Lord Viktor LaHayn started learning about obscure Imperial histories and briefly spoke on the Star Child theory. He also used the an engine supposedly made by the Emperor called the psymagnus apparat, that creates psykers and that LaHayn says that that was the Emperors unfinished task. Obviously that isn't concrete as even though he said he'd wake the Emperor up after becoming the most powerful psyker he also then called himself 'the' god. Interesting stuff even if its old lore, but I've always wondered how the Emperor would have advanced humankind to being powerful psykers when they are so consistently destroyed. I would have always wished that lore would come out where the imperium had, secret worlds where psykers were the population, obviously small populations as they would have to be controlled, it'd be a bit hard for sisters of silence who are even rarer to bring a world to order.

What did he say about the star child theory ( my fave theory of the emps)?

Nothing wrong with “old lore”. It’s when they wrote their best stuff. Psyker planets would be problematic as you say but the emperor seemed to have plans for everything so probably did for psykers too. Maybe tied in with the webway project and a way to protect them from the warp and the chaos gods. No idea what.

Nothing really, just that he read about it, still pretty cool though.

Good to know it’s not forgotten about. I always think old retconned fluff is still around as legends. I bet there are star childists who believe in the theory.

Andykp wrote:
Good to know it’s not forgotten about. I always think old retconned fluff is still around as legends. I bet there are star childists who believe in the theory.

Yeah but I hope they never reveal the actual story of the Emperor or his beginnings etc. better kept to theories.

My take on it was the Psykers needed to be purged until all the Emperors other projects meant to curb the grip of chaos on humanity got finished up, creating an environment where Psykers could be left mostly alone.

However, I also suspect there is an undercurrent of eugenics behind it, culling those psykers too weak/to susceptible to daemons to be useful, or worse being just walking liabilities.

The Emperor for what ever reason didnt want to whole-sale create new better humans to replace the old ones, despite probably being able to... (and in one interpretation of lore that I really like, the "Golden Men" of the pre fall of humanity era themselves being 'GMO Humans' who's genes, now absorbed into the great population, are actually what's being looked for in Custodes and Astartes aspirants)

... but he certainly seems like the type to try and smooth it along by whatever means he deems necessary.

Carlovonsexron wrote:
My take on it was the Psykers needed to be purged until all the Emperors other projects meant to curb the grip of chaos on humanity got finished up, creating an environment where Psykers could be left mostly alone.

However, I also suspect there is an undercurrent of eugenics behind it, culling those psykers too weak/to susceptible to daemons to be useful, or worse being just walking liabilities.

The Emperor for what ever reason didnt want to whole-sale create new better humans to replace the old ones, despite probably being able to... (and in one interpretation of lore that I really like, the "Golden Men" of the pre fall of humanity era themselves being 'GMO Humans' who's genes, now absorbed into the great population, are actually what's being looked for in Custodes and Astartes aspirants)

... but he certainly seems like the type to try and smooth it along by whatever means he deems necessary.

Yeah I suppose the HH messed up a lot of his plans.

Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

That's a bit too bloody even for the Emperor. Again, if he was just going to replace humanity with a better version and kill everything else he had the ability to do it - the Custodes are testament to that.

the ancient wrote:
Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

First lord of the imperium alludes to pretty much that happening, it’s open to interpretation though I suppose.

The basic (very basic) gyst of it is that the legions were always meant to rip each other appart, all while the cream of the imperium held out in the webway, after the ashes settle the emperor and custodes would pop out and destroy what’s left of the legions, this would bring about a safe galaxy where all aliens are dead and almost all of humanity.

Chaos happened and it all went to pot

Interesting!

 Formosa wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

First lord of the imperium alludes to pretty much that happening, it’s open to interpretation though I suppose.

The basic (very basic) gyst of it is that the legions were always meant to rip each other appart, all while the cream of the imperium held out in the webway, after the ashes settle the emperor and custodes would pop out and destroy what’s left of the legions, this would bring about a safe galaxy where all aliens are dead and almost all of humanity.

Chaos happened and it all went to pot

Would probably take aeons though, he'd need to basically replace the population, so he'd need to breed billions if not trillions of psykers. Unless he assumed that they would live in relative peace after the great crusade and it wouldn't be much of a problem having a low population across the galaxy.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

First lord of the imperium alludes to pretty much that happening, it’s open to interpretation though I suppose.

The basic (very basic) gyst of it is that the legions were always meant to rip each other appart, all while the cream of the imperium held out in the webway, after the ashes settle the emperor and custodes would pop out and destroy what’s left of the legions, this would bring about a safe galaxy where all aliens are dead and almost all of humanity.

Chaos happened and it all went to pot

Would probably take aeons though, he'd need to basically replace the population, so he'd need to breed billions if not trillions of psykers. Unless he assumed that they would live in relative peace after the great crusade and it wouldn't be much of a problem having a low population across the galaxy.

Well I imagine murdering literally every other species that wasn't livestock would have reduced the potential enemies a fair amount.

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

First lord of the imperium alludes to pretty much that happening, it’s open to interpretation though I suppose.

The basic (very basic) gyst of it is that the legions were always meant to rip each other appart, all while the cream of the imperium held out in the webway, after the ashes settle the emperor and custodes would pop out and destroy what’s left of the legions, this would bring about a safe galaxy where all aliens are dead and almost all of humanity.

Chaos happened and it all went to pot

Would probably take aeons though, he'd need to basically replace the population, so he'd need to breed billions if not trillions of psykers. Unless he assumed that they would live in relative peace after the great crusade and it wouldn't be much of a problem having a low population across the galaxy.

Well I imagine murdering literally every other species that wasn't livestock would have reduced the potential enemies a fair amount.

Yeah, I wonder how seriously he took the threat of Chaos, obviously not that much if that was his plan.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

pm713 wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

 Formosa wrote:

the ancient wrote:
Knowing the Emp.
He was probably going to stuff the webway full off psykers untill they learnt control and followed his teachings. Maybe mange to breed and only create psyker babies.
Then unleashed them on the regular humie folk. In a blood letting that has been unrivaled and wiped out every single human in the galaxy that wasnt a trained, Emperor, loving, psyker.
Bam, Humie race are now psykic

First lord of the imperium alludes to pretty much that happening, it’s open to interpretation though I suppose.

The basic (very basic) gyst of it is that the legions were always meant to rip each other appart, all while the cream of the imperium held out in the webway, after the ashes settle the emperor and custodes would pop out and destroy what’s left of the legions, this would bring about a safe galaxy where all aliens are dead and almost all of humanity.

Chaos happened and it all went to pot

Would probably take aeons though, he'd need to basically replace the population, so he'd need to breed billions if not trillions of psykers. Unless he assumed that they would live in relative peace after the great crusade and it wouldn't be much of a problem having a low population across the galaxy.

Well I imagine murdering literally every other species that wasn't livestock would have reduced the potential enemies a fair amount.

Yeah, I wonder how seriously he took the threat of Chaos, obviously not that much if that was his plan.

Pretty seriously considering he tried implementing galactic atheism to get rid of Chaos. The issue wasn't him taking things seriously it was how badly he dealt with things whether out of ignorance or stupidity is up for debate though.

“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

Mellow wrote:
“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

Yeah we all know now in retrospect Chaos is the greatest threat, but if his plan was to replace the population after the crusade, he would have to do it when there is relative peace in the galaxy; so obviously, to me anyways, he didn't think Chaos was that much of a threat or maybe he had plans for chaos after the crusade, who knows.

Last time some one tried to use a psyker horde Enslavers took control of them all and ran amok, with the Eldar and a like who were designed from the ground up to be living weapons, and yeat they still couldn't get rid of all the like in the galaxy. Emperor maybe smart, but he ain't no Old One and anything he could ever cook up would hardly compare to their products.

I guess the futility of Emps plan, what with trying to kill the Orks and getting rid of Chaos, is kinda the whole point. A Poor deluded megalomaniac believed that he had it all figured out, but yeat was contending with power far outside his comprehension.

I mean, kill all the Orks aint gonna happen. Killing Chaos, now that is a bit more plausible, if you ignore the Orks that is, since then you just need to kill everything else that has emotions, hard but atleasts it's more feasible than killing the Orks. But as said, didn't happen before, and that was a figurative hydrogen bomb compared to his fist sized rock.

Morgasm the Powerfull wrote:
Last time some one tried to use a psyker horde Enslavers took control of them all and ran amok, with the Eldar and a like who were designed from the ground up to be living weapons, and yeat they still couldn't get rid of all the like in the galaxy. Emperor maybe smart, but he ain't no Old One and anything he could ever cook up would hardly compare to their products.

I guess the futility of Emps plan, what with trying to kill the Orks and getting rid of Chaos, is kinda the whole point. A Poor deluded megalomaniac believed that he had it all figured out, but yeat was contending with power far outside his comprehension.

I mean, kill all the Orks aint gonna happen. Killing Chaos, now that is a bit more plausible, if you ignore the Orks that is, since then you just need to kill everything else that has emotions, hard but atleasts it's more feasible than killing the Orks. But as said, didn't happen before, and that was a figurative hydrogen bomb compared to his fist sized rock.

Yeah I forgot about the Orks.

Mellow wrote:
“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

I came in at 4th Edition, when Chaos was the least threatening faction, a total joke. #Notmywarhammer

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Mellow wrote:
“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

I came in at 4th Edition, when Chaos was the least threatening faction, a total joke. #Notmywarhammer

In fairness, the weak performance of chaos on the table top etc as well as the lack of attention paid it was proably the biggest problem with 40k as a whole from 4th to early 7th. it wasn't until Warzone Fenris that you started to see chaos treated as the "serious actual threat" before that I always felt Tyranids had the most "actual real threat" build up.

BrianDavion wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Mellow wrote:
“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

I came in at 4th Edition, when Chaos was the least threatening faction, a total joke. #Notmywarhammer

In fairness, the weak performance of chaos on the table top etc as well as the lack of attention paid it was proably the biggest problem with 40k as a whole from 4th to early 7th. it wasn't until Warzone Fenris that you started to see chaos treated as the "serious actual threat" before that I always felt Tyranids had the most "actual real threat" build up.

I always found it ridiculous the way GW treated Chaos, game-wise and model-wise, especially since the Imperium and Chaos are two of the most important factions lore-wise. There are tonnes of chaos fans that moved onto other armies because of how old the catalogue was, I mean so much of our stuff just looks awful in comparison to all the other armies, even in 2nd edition a good few of our models looked a little funky, plague marines for example, bllerrgghhh Moan over. Thank god for the updates, I cannot wait for new berzerkers,

I think the general idea was something like this.

Goal: A future where all of mankind is psychic and lives in peace, having dominated the entire universe.

Main Obstacle: Chaos entities feed on the emotions of sentient beings, and inhabit/control the Warp which is the source of psychic power.

So you have to cleanse the warp of these evil entities. The solution the Emperor came up with was to starve them by ridding humanity of all religion, superstition, and a general reduction of emotions. While also exterminating the Xenos, both because they too could feed Chaos and because they are also threat to humanity. The suppression of Psykers was also important here because, while the Emperor's ultimate goal for humanity, they were also an obstacle to ridding the Warp of Chaos because of their direct link to it. They could reveal the existence of Chaos and thereby keep the plan from working.

Then, once the Warp was starved and the 4 Great Powers dwindled, the Emperor could slowly bring about his psyker eugenics plan.

The only reason the plan failed was because the Emperor played his cards too close to his chest and didn't share the plan with the Primarchs. If they had known about Chaos upfront, it is unlikely that any of them would have been corrupted. The daemons couldn't have used the Emperor's distrust of his sons as a wedge to drive between them.

BrianDavion wrote:

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:

Mellow wrote:
“Not that much”

Oh dear! Chaos was and is THE number one threat to Humanity.

I came in at 4th Edition, when Chaos was the least threatening faction, a total joke. #Notmywarhammer

In fairness, the weak performance of chaos on the table top etc as well as the lack of attention paid it was proably the biggest problem with 40k as a whole from 4th to early 7th. it wasn't until Warzone Fenris that you started to see chaos treated as the "serious actual threat" before that I always felt Tyranids had the most "actual real threat" build up.

For me, the Tyranids and Necrons are the two real existential threats, but the irony is that, because of their history together, the IOM and Chaos are too obsessed with each other to deal with them.