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Hi people.
Not sure if this is the right spot or if it should go on the off-topic forum (feel free to move the thread if need be).

So this is something that came up to my mind while I was introducing a friend to W40k and beginning to pop Buproprion.

I started playing 40k in 2010 (was 20 back then). Since then I've met several players and played several games.

There were some times I've mumbled that 40k was the worst game ever and other times I've felt it was the greatest invention of the human mind. Something, on the other hand, stayed the same over the years : I seriously despise a big part of the players I've met. Not just the WAAC, but even the regular ones.
It is just me or are some W40k players just total jerks ? Here are some examples of behaviours I've witnessed that are not related to WAAC (mostly in the Grand Montreal Area but also in Gatineau) :

1- A store employee telling some players girlfriends that w40k didn't attract girls because they just suck at wargaming.

2-A player yelling at his girlfriend to shut up until he finished his game.

3-An opponent of mine who came to a match while unbathed.

4-A store owner telling a new player (teenager) how his painting skills were lame.

5-A store owner telling me that I could only use stuff bought in his store (it is just me or are store owners douchebags ?).

6-A duo of players laughing at a beginner who wanted to play T'au.

7-My unbathed opponent telling me I should never play T'au because of North Korea and that I was a fool if I believed in climate change (while he was enlightened because he was a catholic).

8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

I could go on and on, especially after 8 years, but to sum it up :

Most ''veterans" of the hobby in my area seem to be a bunch of jerks that have poor relationship skills (and hygiene), which scare off young newcomers (and that's without their obsession with WAAC).

These day I mostly play with people that I know aren't jerks or WAAC, which is mostly newcomers that either play with other newcomers or me.

So, are older w40k players more inclined to being jerks ?

All hobbies are filled with some of the worst dreck of humanity. 40k just has some of the more unique ones since you can spend months without human interaction delving into painting, modelling, lore, and even video games.

Needless to say some of the less socially capable among us tend to be the more noticeable.

Name: Khornate
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Bharring wrote:
Name: Khornate
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Just as planned?

I play wh40k because i hate myself..

I don't think that you can say any kind of stereotype is going to fit.

I would put your complains as 3 groups.

Gamergate stupid hating on women and minorities. Yep. Dumb is dumb. We all need to slap this down.

The unwashed and dirty.. Ask them to go clean up. Be blunt.

The WAAC. Frankly this game need more WAAC. Not cheating, but the WAAC from other games who do stuff like...work out, eat healthy, read books on game theory, all so they can play better.

Other than that, people are terrible. Don't trust them.

Mankind is the worst collection of scum and villany on earth.

I have only met one unwashed opponent, but thankfully my nose is all but useless thanks to GENETICS so I could play fine against him. Needless to say he doesnt get a lot of other opponents.

Bharring wrote:
Mankind is the worst collection of scum and villany on earth.

Why limit ourselves only to Earth? We've put people in space. We can at least call ourselves the worst collection of scum and villianry in the solar system thanks to that.


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 vaklor4 wrote:
I have only met one unwashed opponent, but thankfully my nose is all but useless thanks to GENETICS so I could play fine against him. Needless to say he doesnt get a lot of other opponents.

I'm in a similar boat with the sense of smell thing, which makes me basically bathe in deodorant after every shower so I don't turn into that guy.

Also if I can smell you, we've moved past "needs a shower" and onto "clean it with fire".

And here was me thinking this thread was going to be about the tendency for certain GW fanbois to chug too much of the proverbial kool aid and treat GW/40k like it is some kind of religion that must be defended unto death amongst all attackers from without and within against an perceived slight on Holy GW.

I dunno, I think those brave space-farers are the bravest, most amazing group of people we've ever documented outside Earth itself!

Stupidity cannot be cured with money, or through education, or by legislation. Stupidity is not a sin, the victim can't help being stupid. But stupidity is the only universal capital crime: the sentence is death, there is no appeal, and the execution is carried out automatically and without pity.

Robert A. Heinlein, Time Enough for Love.

Bharring wrote:
I dunno, I think those brave space-farers are the bravest, most amazing group of people we've ever documented outside Earth itself!

Right, but they still share a species with the rest of us pond scum and thus are tainted by it.

Yep, 40k players are humans and like all humans we're all unique a full of character. Some of us are bad boyfriends, some of us are bad girlfriends, some of us are bad store owners and some of us can even be nice genuine people. That's the great thing about being human, you are totally unique to everyone else.

 lolman1c wrote:
Yep, 40k players are humans and like all humans we're all unique a full of character. Some of us are bad boyfriends, some of us are bad girlfriends, some of us are bad store owners and some of us can even be ni e genuine people. That's the great thing about being human, you are totally unique to everyone else.

This, oh and the stinking might be a tactic to force you to submit defeat.

I've been on a hiatus from the late 90's until about a year ago. I forget many of the opponents I had fought then, but getting older, with more life experience and whatnot, I have noticed a lot more in my opponents and community.

You will get some real oddballs and a few alarming ones, but if that list is the only ones you can think of in 10 years then I'd wager you have had a pretty tame 40k experience!

Bharring wrote:
Mankind is the worst collection of scum and villany on earth.

Nono youre thinking of Mos Eisley

 Billagio wrote:

Bharring wrote:
Mankind is the worst collection of scum and villany on earth.

Nono youre thinking of Mos Eisley

Nah. That's in a galaxy far, far away (and the Nids will probably eat it first making the point moot).

I think this is just the nature of 40k being a much larger community than other minis game, so you get a larger variety of people.

When I show up to a 40k night in my area there is usually 10+ people and it's a rotating cast of people who show up, so there is always new people coming in and out.

When I show up to infinity night it's usually the same 6 people over and over so you get to know them and people are less likely to be mean to people that they know and have to deal with all the time

I don't see the numbers of TFG in Xwing (Bigger game) than I do in 40K.

Can we blame the Hobby aspect?

Reemule wrote:
I don't see the numbers of TFG in Xwing (Bigger game) than I do in 40K.

Can we blame the Hobby aspect?

X-Wing sells in a wider range of stores and is more mainline than 40k, thus drawing in a wider range of people than just the hardcore wargaming crowd.

There's a few outliers, but most of my normal 40k group are decent folks.

There's been a few with hygiene issues, and maybe a couple personal issues between players, but nothing horrifically overt. A couple even bring their girlfriends/wives along.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I don't see the numbers of TFG in Xwing (Bigger game) than I do in 40K.

Can we blame the Hobby aspect?

X-Wing sells in a wider range of stores and is more mainline than 40k, thus drawing in a wider range of people than just the hardcore wargaming crowd.

But that implication would be that much hardcore wargames would have more TFG than 40K. I don't see that in my experience though.

I've run into some absolute weirdos and so super great people in this hobby. It's really no different than any other hobby I've tried

Gamers are kind of weird people.

Maybe it has to do with meeting complete randos at a public store. Biased by only including people willing to meet randos at a public store and spend a couple hours with them.

Reemule wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I don't see the numbers of TFG in Xwing (Bigger game) than I do in 40K.

Can we blame the Hobby aspect?

X-Wing sells in a wider range of stores and is more mainline than 40k, thus drawing in a wider range of people than just the hardcore wargaming crowd.

But that implication would be that much hardcore wargames would have more TFG than 40K. I don't see that in my experience though.

I was thinking more of a certain breed of TFG who tends to have poor social skills I guess, which tend to be a fair number of more hardcore nerd hobbist in my experience. Competitive people are everywhere, but there is definitely kind of haven of less socially adept people into niche hobbies like wargaming.

Sure, there are some TFGs, but they exist everywhere in every hobby. The only small difference is that 40k is a pretty cheap hobby so some of the "no social skills, doesn't bathe, therefore can't get a real job" types aren't cut out like they would be in a more expensive hobby. Overall though the problem is highly exaggerated. The overwhelming majority of 40k players, and gamers in general, I've encountered have been fairly normal people.

 Peregrine wrote:
Sure, there are some TFGs, but they exist everywhere in every hobby. The only small difference is that 40k is a pretty cheap hobby so some of the "no social skills, doesn't bathe, therefore can't get a real job" types aren't cut out like they would be in a more expensive hobby. Overall though the problem is highly exaggerated. The overwhelming majority of 40k players, and gamers in general, I've encountered have been fairly normal people.

In what fantasy country do you live in where 40k is cheap compared to most hobbies? In card games like M:TG you can spend one hundred dollars and have a stacked deck ready for local play, or spend 20 dollars and have a tabletop casual ready deck. Or alternatively, Herolix, where if you want to go meta competitive, you barely need to break above the 100 dollar mark to get fully prepared. Or just buy a single brick and have a wide range of models you can play dozens of games with.

I know these are just two points, but they're two very good point. Heck, i'd go so far as to say that there are plenty of other war games that are cheaper as well, if you want to only count those.


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 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reemule wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Reemule wrote:
I don't see the numbers of TFG in Xwing (Bigger game) than I do in 40K.

Can we blame the Hobby aspect?

X-Wing sells in a wider range of stores and is more mainline than 40k, thus drawing in a wider range of people than just the hardcore wargaming crowd.

But that implication would be that much hardcore wargames would have more TFG than 40K. I don't see that in my experience though.

I was thinking more of a certain breed of TFG who tends to have poor social skills I guess, which tend to be a fair number of more hardcore nerd hobbist in my experience. Competitive people are everywhere, but there is definitely kind of haven of less socially adept people into niche hobbies like wargaming.

I also think TFG's who are socially inept are FAR easier to deal with than TFGs who have genuine charisma, and intelligence.

 Khornate25 wrote:
Hi people.
Not sure if this is the right spot or if it should go on the off-topic forum (feel free to move the thread if need be).

So this is something that came up to my mind while I was introducing a friend to W40k and beginning to pop Buproprion.

I started playing 40k in 2010 (was 20 back then). Since then I've met several players and played several games.

There were some times I've mumbled that 40k was the worst game ever and other times I've felt it was the greatest invention of the human mind. Something, on the other hand, stayed the same over the years : I seriously despise a big part of the players I've met. Not just the WAAC, but even the regular ones.
It is just me or are some W40k players just total jerks ? Here are some examples of behaviours I've witnessed that are not related to WAAC (mostly in the Grand Montreal Area but also in Gatineau) :

1- A store employee telling some players girlfriends that w40k didn't attract girls because they just suck at wargaming.

2-A player yelling at his girlfriend to shut up until he finished his game.

3-An opponent of mine who came to a match while unbathed.

4-A store owner telling a new player (teenager) how his painting skills were lame.

5-A store owner telling me that I could only use stuff bought in his store (it is just me or are store owners douchebags ?).

6-A duo of players laughing at a beginner who wanted to play T'au.

7-My unbathed opponent telling me I should never play T'au because of North Korea and that I was a fool if I believed in climate change (while he was enlightened because he was a catholic).

8- A player complaining about the afro space marines of his opponent.

I could go on and on, especially after 8 years, but to sum it up :

Most ''veterans" of the hobby in my area seem to be a bunch of jerks that have poor relationship skills (and hygiene), which scare off young newcomers (and that's without their obsession with WAAC).

These day I mostly play with people that I know aren't jerks or WAAC, which is mostly newcomers that either play with other newcomers or me.

So, are older w40k players more inclined to being jerks ?

oh man after I read this I am happy about my local gw. they are all friendliy help newcomers and are all bathed if there is someone who stinks it is mostly me in the summer )full buses sometimes no windows and that with 35 celsius.=