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Discussion moved to a new thread instead of the N&R one on GENCON
https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/761494.page

So, Youtuber, Magic the Gathering reviewer and general "anti-SJW pundit" The Quartering (Jeremy Hambly) was physically assaulted during Gencon (not on Con's premises I believe).
The alledged attacker has been identified by witnesses as a fellow attendee of the con.

Now, personally; what I find most conspicous is how GENCON itself has apparently not only chosen to ignore the incident, not mentioning it on their homepage or social media, but actively supressing mention of it. Banning people asking about the incident on twitter and putting their twitch chat in 3 month follower only mode.
http://boundingintocomics.com/2018/08/02/gencon-begins-silencing-people-who-bring-up-the-quarterings-attacker/

It's one thing for some crazy person to attack a con-goer for some nerd-related beef, but for the COn to then try to cover it up? And to not remove the alleged attacker (or at least do some cursory research on the incident and then decide wether to enforce their rules). Has that ever happened on a con of this kind?


I've been away in the wilderness a while and haven't kept up on the info well at all, so please add anything I've missed.

I wouldn't be surprised if that happened at any con where someone was assaulted. It's the old CYA attitude that nothing bad ever happens here, like how officially no one has ever died at Disneyland. However, because of the current political climate, this approach will fail and we'll doubtless see the fandom split into two warring camps over this.

Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

As far as I know this man hasn't been apprehended yet, and as for the alleged suppression, people spamming comments about it on Gencon videos and livestreams isn't really discussion as much as it is annoying to those of us just following game coverage.

That man should be in trouble for doing the assault, but without proper context, and the knowledge that Jeremy is a well known gak starter and drama junkie....

This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

 ChargerIIC wrote:
This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

This is a very, very good point. We don't have any context and no one has yet been charged with a crime. Add to that the fact that Jeremy instigates and it makes it even more muddy.


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 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

Absolutely, they should. However, how many assaults happen each year during Gencon, and how many have we had reported in that manner in the past? The difference? This is a high profile case because the "victim" is a well known internet troll who actively wants this type of publicity. That could be why nothing has been said so far.

I've never heard of this guy before right now, but it seems he's prone to annoying people with his opinions. Not saying I agree with them or not, but go around doing that for long enough and eventually you're gonna get punched.

Why does Gencon have any obligation to comment on or investigate an event allegedly happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city?

 ErkyTimbers wrote:
I've never heard of this guy before right now, but it seems he's prone to annoying people with his opinions. Not saying I agree with them or not, but go around doing that for long enough and eventually you're gonna get punched.

He got his start last November when he was banned for life from playing competitive MTG over allegations of harassment and bullying. Ever since then he's continued to post sometimes dozens of videos per week moaning about how much of a victim he is. He's gathered a considerable following of people who blindly support anything and everything he said, and his fans are deeply rooted in internet meme culture including the KeKistan memes and followers of a British youtube political commentator named Sargon of Akkad.

I'll be honest, I don't much care of the man. He comes across as a terrible human being. That said, no one should ever be assaulted, even if you disagree with their politics or their personal views on something.

I fail to see how this is Gen Con's responsibility, as from everything reported so far:

1. It did not happen on convention grounds, but off-site.
2. Just because the parties involved happened to have Gen Con badges doesn't mean it is related to the con itself.

If this was something like "Sports team season pass holder assaults other sports team season pass holder at bar blocks away from stadium" I'd find it hard to rationalize people demanding a response from the stadium management or the sports team itself.

Now, I don't condone violence for no apparent reason, and the victim absolutely should file a police report and it should be investigated. That, though, is a matter for the Indy police department. But blaming this on Gen Con somehow is just sensationalism IMO.

 Peregrine wrote:
Why does Gencon have any obligation to comment on or investigate an event allegedly happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city?

In reality they don't. But I do agree making some kind of statement might be a good idea. This is a polarizing figure who loves to play a victim narrative and thrives on drama to make money. So Gencon staff will have to treat this carefully one way or the other. Jeremy's fans are rabid, almost as bad as Jake Paul (The Japanese Suicide Forrest Video guy for those who don't know) fans.

 Peregrine wrote:
Why does Gencon have any obligation to comment on or investigate an event allegedly happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city?

^^ This. It happened outside the con late at night. Gencon has no obligations to talk about this.

 Togusa wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

This is a very, very good point. We don't have any context and no one has yet been charged with a crime. Add to that the fact that Jeremy instigates and it makes it even more muddy.


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 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

Absolutely, they should. However, how many assaults happen each year during Gencon, and how many have we had reported in that manner in the past? The difference? This is a high profile case because the "victim" is a well known internet troll who actively wants this type of publicity. That could be why nothing has been said so far.

It sounds like you're inferring it's commonplace for physical violence to occur between Gencon attendees. I somehow doubt that.

And again, Gencon is not simply abstaining from commenting on the incident, they're deleting all mention of it in the spheres they control.

 Zywus wrote:

It sounds like you're inferring it's commonplace for physical violence to occur between Gencon attendees. I somehow doubt that.

And again, Gencon is not simply abstaining from commenting on the incident, they're deleting all mention of it in the spheres they control.

And again, you've been told that it did not occur at the event. All reports are that it occurred at a bar that is not where the event is being hosted.

 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

This is a very, very good point. We don't have any context and no one has yet been charged with a crime. Add to that the fact that Jeremy instigates and it makes it even more muddy.


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 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

Absolutely, they should. However, how many assaults happen each year during Gencon, and how many have we had reported in that manner in the past? The difference? This is a high profile case because the "victim" is a well known internet troll who actively wants this type of publicity. That could be why nothing has been said so far.

It sounds like you're inferring it's commonplace for physical violence to occur between Gencon attendees. I somehow doubt that.

And again, Gencon is not simply abstaining from commenting on the incident, they're deleting all mention of it in the spheres they control.

I would too. It's their twich feed an whatever else. They have no obligation to allow a fight to break out on their social media between two small groups of internet try hards.

 Valander wrote:
I fail to see how this is Gen Con's responsibility, as from everything reported so far:

1. It did not happen on convention grounds, but off-site.
2. Just because the parties involved happened to have Gen Con badges doesn't mean it is related to the con itself.

If this was something like "Sports team season pass holder assaults other sports team season pass holder at bar blocks away from stadium" I'd find it hard to rationalize people demanding a response from the stadium management or the sports team itself.

Now, I don't condone violence for no apparent reason, and the victim absolutely should file a police report and it should be investigated. That, though, is a matter for the Indy police department. But blaming this on Gen Con somehow is just sensationalism IMO.

It didn't happen on the premises but allegedly between two con attendees. The supposed aggressor is still on the con. If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom or was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

 Togusa wrote:

 ErkyTimbers wrote:
I've never heard of this guy before right now, but it seems he's prone to annoying people with his opinions. Not saying I agree with them or not, but go around doing that for long enough and eventually you're gonna get punched.

He got his start last November when he was banned for life from playing competitive MTG over allegations of harassment and bullying. Ever since then he's continued to post sometimes dozens of videos per week moaning about how much of a victim he is. He's gathered a considerable following of people who blindly support anything and everything he said, and his fans are deeply rooted in internet meme culture including the KeKistan memes and followers of a British youtube political commentator named Sargon of Akkad.

I'll be honest, I don't much care of the man. He comes across as a terrible human being. That said, no one should ever be assaulted, even if you disagree with their politics or their personal views on something.

I might need to look that up, it sounds kind of hilarious.
I don't agree with anyone being assaulted, I just think if you're going to voice controversial opinions in a public forum it's just not that surprising if it does happen.

 Zywus wrote:

 Valander wrote:
I fail to see how this is Gen Con's responsibility, as from everything reported so far:

1. It did not happen on convention grounds, but off-site.
2. Just because the parties involved happened to have Gen Con badges doesn't mean it is related to the con itself.

If this was something like "Sports team season pass holder assaults other sports team season pass holder at bar blocks away from stadium" I'd find it hard to rationalize people demanding a response from the stadium management or the sports team itself.

Now, I don't condone violence for no apparent reason, and the victim absolutely should file a police report and it should be investigated. That, though, is a matter for the Indy police department. But blaming this on Gen Con somehow is just sensationalism IMO.

It didn't happen on the premises but allegedly between two con attendees. The supposed aggressor is still on the con. If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

How exactly has he broken the TOS of the con? Their TOS can only be applied to behavior at the con; events outside of it can't reasonably be expected to be covered. Otherwise, I could probably dig up some TOS for some small thing somewhere and apply it whenever I wanted and demand some tiny con in Timbuktu make a statement on an event that happened 1000 miles away if I find a person who happened to have attended said con.

Edit: and your argument about "having to wait for a police report to throw someone out for shooting heroin in the bathroom" is an absolute straw man, as they absolutely could apply their TOS to that if the bathroom was on con premises. They absolutely could not throw someone out for shooting up heroin in the bus station bathroom.

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

 Monkeysloth wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

This is a very, very good point. We don't have any context and no one has yet been charged with a crime. Add to that the fact that Jeremy instigates and it makes it even more muddy.


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 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

Absolutely, they should. However, how many assaults happen each year during Gencon, and how many have we had reported in that manner in the past? The difference? This is a high profile case because the "victim" is a well known internet troll who actively wants this type of publicity. That could be why nothing has been said so far.

It sounds like you're inferring it's commonplace for physical violence to occur between Gencon attendees. I somehow doubt that.

And again, Gencon is not simply abstaining from commenting on the incident, they're deleting all mention of it in the spheres they control.

I would too. It's their twich feed an whatever else. They have no obligation to allow a fight to break out on their social media between two small groups of internet try hards.

They have no obligation for sure, but you do see how them deleting the mere mention of the incident can be construed as them taking a side?

What they're doing is fanning the flame of said fire manyfold.

 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ChargerIIC wrote:
This has all the earmarks of a lynch mob forming. No one has waited to hear both sides of the story - news are reporting it as occuring at Gencon when it happened off-site and no mention of what the two guys were doing together outside of the con before the assault occured.

We got one sensationalist's word and a bunch of people ready to jump on a bandwagon. How can this end well?

This is a very, very good point. We don't have any context and no one has yet been charged with a crime. Add to that the fact that Jeremy instigates and it makes it even more muddy.


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 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:
Are we sure the con is "covering it up" vs just not saying anything until the full details are available?

In that case, why not put out a statement like "we're aware of the incident and are conducting a investigation. We can't comment more at the moment. Gencon wishes it's con to be a safe place for everyone etc. etc..."?

Absolutely, they should. However, how many assaults happen each year during Gencon, and how many have we had reported in that manner in the past? The difference? This is a high profile case because the "victim" is a well known internet troll who actively wants this type of publicity. That could be why nothing has been said so far.

It sounds like you're inferring it's commonplace for physical violence to occur between Gencon attendees. I somehow doubt that.

And again, Gencon is not simply abstaining from commenting on the incident, they're deleting all mention of it in the spheres they control.

That con is massive. The last time I was there in 2005 I personally saw two verbal altercations and a fist fight. I know it happens, I'm not saying it's Chicago gangland there, but with thousands of people cooped up in a building for days playing sometimes hyper competitive games, it's certainly been an issue for them before.

The problem is that with them making no statement at all, they're helping to grow his audience and allowing him to push back against them for profit and personal gain. At least, that's how i see it.


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 ErkyTimbers wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 ErkyTimbers wrote:
I've never heard of this guy before right now, but it seems he's prone to annoying people with his opinions. Not saying I agree with them or not, but go around doing that for long enough and eventually you're gonna get punched.

He got his start last November when he was banned for life from playing competitive MTG over allegations of harassment and bullying. Ever since then he's continued to post sometimes dozens of videos per week moaning about how much of a victim he is. He's gathered a considerable following of people who blindly support anything and everything he said, and his fans are deeply rooted in internet meme culture including the KeKistan memes and followers of a British youtube political commentator named Sargon of Akkad.

I'll be honest, I don't much care of the man. He comes across as a terrible human being. That said, no one should ever be assaulted, even if you disagree with their politics or their personal views on something.

I might need to look that up, it sounds kind of hilarious.
I don't agree with anyone being assaulted, I just think if you're going to voice controversial opinions in a public forum it's just not that surprising if it does happen.

I used to listen to him rant while I painted. For a while it was just funny as all get out. But it gets really sad the longer it goes on. I had the chance to talk to some of my Midwestern MTG friends recently. Most of them said he's not well liked in the community and tries to start gak with anyone he can. I think a lot of his "conservative" talk is a ploy to try and gain even more support in the current political environment here in the US. But, I dunno. I quit listening to him about 3 months ago because it just became so sad and pathetic, the entertainment he was providing just wasn't good anymore.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?
I agree to conduct myself, and any minors under my supervision, in a safe, responsible, non-disruptive, and lawful manner while attending the Convention, and understand that violation of Convention policies as determined by GEN CON in its sole discretion, may result in my expulsion from the Convention without refund.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

 Zywus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?
I agree to conduct myself, and any minors under my supervision, in a safe, responsible, non-disruptive, and lawful manner while attending the Convention, and understand that violation of Convention policies as determined by GEN CON in its sole discretion, may result in my expulsion from the Convention without refund.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

Right! As a lot of people have pointed out, we have basically zero context to the actual event. As far as I still know, the alleged perp hasn't been arrested at this time.

 Zywus wrote:
I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

So now you're moving the goalposts from "Gencon should enforce their TOS" to "Gencon should deal with this even though their TOS doesn't apply".

 Togusa wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?
I agree to conduct myself, and any minors under my supervision, in a safe, responsible, non-disruptive, and lawful manner while attending the Convention, and understand that violation of Convention policies as determined by GEN CON in its sole discretion, may result in my expulsion from the Convention without refund.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

Right! As a lot of people have pointed out, we have basically zero context to the actual event. As far as I still know, the alleged perp hasn't been arrested at this time.

And he probably won't until after the con is over (even in the case this eventually leads to a trial where he's found guilty).

 Zywus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?
I agree to conduct myself, and any minors under my supervision, in a safe, responsible, non-disruptive, and lawful manner while attending the Convention, and understand that violation of Convention policies as determined by GEN CON in its sole discretion, may result in my expulsion from the Convention without refund.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

Whoah there, Usain, you really need to grab the goalposts and sprint that fast?

Anyway, when dealing with a professional victim, saying nothing early on seems like the way to go. Because anything else can be twisted around one way or another, as is shown by how some people seem to be invested in making hay out of them deleting comments about something happened outside the con, and had nothing to do with it.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

So now you're moving the goalposts from "Gencon should enforce their TOS" to "Gencon should deal with this even though their TOS doesn't apply".

Their TOS does apply. I've never said otherwise. I just quoted them above.

 Zywus wrote:
So, Youtuber, Magic the Gathering reviewer and general "anti-SJW pundit" The Quartering (Jeremy Hambly) was physically assaulted during Gencon (not on Con's premises I believe).

It's one thing for some crazy person to attack a con-goer for some nerd-related beef, but for the COn to then try to cover it up?

If it wasn't on their premises, there's nothing for them to do. Not their problem. :wipes hands:

OTOH, is it coincidence that GenCon invited Anita Sarkseesian to stir the pot? Oh well, maybe they shouldn't do that if they don't want controversy.

I HOLD GENCON DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT PERSON'S BEHAVIOR OUTSIDE THE CON PROPER!

Right?

 Zywus wrote:

 Togusa wrote:

 Zywus wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
If he is quilty he's obviously broken the TOS of the Con.

{citation needed}

Can you quote the part of Gencon's TOS that applies to anything happening at a random bar somewhere else in the city that has no affiliation with the convention?
I agree to conduct myself, and any minors under my supervision, in a safe, responsible, non-disruptive, and lawful manner while attending the Convention, and understand that violation of Convention policies as determined by GEN CON in its sole discretion, may result in my expulsion from the Convention without refund.

If a con had to wait for a police report before enforcing their TOS they couldn't throw out someone shooting heroin in their bathroom of was sellling pirated DVD's in the hallway.

The difference is that those examples are occurring on convention property during the event. The more relevant example would be someone saying "I saw this guy doing heroin at home last week" and demanding a ban. It would be insanity for the convention to do anything based on that accusation until, at absolute minimum, there was a police report and documentation that the incident is more than just one person's accusation.

I suppose you can interperate the TOS so narrowly that anything you do outside the doors of the convention hall does not apply. Yet I'm pretty sure that if there were footage of The quartering beating up another attendee in a bar outside the convention area while staying at the con, he would be shown the door the next morning.

So location isn't really an issue here but of course there need to be some burden of proof before throwing someone out. I agtree of course. I'm not sure how strong the allegations are against that other dude, but there seem to be more than enough for the con to check it out, talk to the parties and to acknowledge they are aware of the situation.

Right! As a lot of people have pointed out, we have basically zero context to the actual event. As far as I still know, the alleged perp hasn't been arrested at this time.

And he probably won't until after the con is over (even in the case this eventually leads to a trial where he's found guilty).

I'm not sure, I have heard from a family member who lives in Indy that many of the counties judges are really tough on violence that takes place in open public. Supposedly many people often try to get their domestic assault cases heard in a neighboring county so as to avoid a lot of the harsher judges in the area.

What strikes me as odd here though is that Jeremy has been talking about Gencon for weeks, and this really feels suspicious to me. I don't want to go full Alex Jones, but I will state: I wouldn't at all be surprised if it came out that Jeremy identified someone he knew would physically lash out at him, and then forcefully put them in a situation where they would do so. He revels in playing the victim and garnering sympathy and support from the alt right on youtube and in the gaming community. If he didn't have anything to complain about, he'd basically have no audience.

Before all of his drama started, his channels were barely known with both of them having had less than a thousand subscribers. He had been in that position for YEARS before this all went down. At last count I think his main channel hasn't managed to pull much beyond 25K but his political "quartering" channel has hit 119K.

But anyways, I've not one single shred of evidence. Probably never will either. But, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if it was true.

 Togusa wrote:
I'll be honest, I don't much care of the man. He comes across as a terrible human being. That said, no one should ever be assaulted, even if you disagree with their politics or their personal views on something.

And yet, there is a certain special snowflake on Dakka who has an avatar that specifically says it's OK to physically assault other people if you disagree with their worldview...