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Did GW ever clarify what happens with GSC Magus when it takes a Familiar? The Familiar doesn't have the CHARACTER keyword, nor does it have a rule like Ammo Runts or Grot Orderlies do giving it the keyword when being shot at, so does taking a Familiar make the whole unit lose CHARACTER protection in the Shooting Phase or not? I swear I could remember they FAQed this, but it's not in the Xenos 2 Index FAQ so I don't know if I am just making things up in my head now.

Edit: Of course, it's in the Designers Commentary. Good work GW on making CRITICAL INFORMATION not even in the proper FAQs.

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Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written in the rulebook, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective.
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Designers Commentary has always had the same weight as other FAQ documents. It is a proper FAQ to all intents and purposes. Sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda.

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Why are you guys all so obviously falling for that guy's trolling?
He's just one random guy on the internet with an opinion that is laughably divorced from reality. Move along.

 
   
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 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda.

That 'putting things in logical places' agenda.
   
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 Lord Damocles wrote:
 JohnnyHell wrote:
Sorry it doesn’t fit your agenda.

That 'putting things in logical places' agenda.


The “I decide what counts as valid FAQs and locations” agenda... cf the time he complained anything on WHC wasn’t legit.

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 jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Why are you guys all so obviously falling for that guy's trolling?
He's just one random guy on the internet with an opinion that is laughably divorced from reality. Move along.

 
   
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To be fair, BCB isn't saying it isn't legal here, just that (like a lot of us) we wish GW would streamline the FAQs somewhat so that what could be in a main rulebook FAQ isn't scattered acress three or four different FAQs.

It was somebody else on another thread who was trying to not treat the Designer's Commentary as a FAQ when you pointed out something in that addressing the issue.(I had to check to make sure we weren't back in that other thread when I clicked to see new responses and came in with BCB's post not showing on my screen in order to show the new posts).

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Warhammer community is not a rules source. This is entirely different... the information being split into a bunch of different places, and not represented in the FAQs, makes the ruleset really difficult to understand.

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Bharring wrote:
He'll actually *change his mind* in the presence of sufficient/sufficiently defended information. Heretic.
 
   
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The Designers Commentary is listed on the official FAQ site. https://www.warhammer-community.com/faqs/?orderby=title&order=asc#items-warhammer-40000

Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written in the rulebook, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective.
Because some people get their knickers in a twist, I'll list these RaW 'oddities' in my sig. Sadly GW's promise of fixing their broken rules has itself been broken. RaW you cannot advance and then fire assault weapons, you can't shoot pistols if within 1" of an enemy, "minimum" ranges don't work, Seraphim have to re-roll saves that "fail" pre-re-roll, the game simply breaks if you ever have more than one wounded model in a unit, the game also breaks if a single rule ever tries to do multiple things simultaneously, Khârn punches himself in the face if he's not near some meatshields, Librarians on Bikes are locked to the Index power list, Howling Banshees can't declare a charge further than 12", Spore Mines have an infinite range, Shroudpsalm technically doesn't do anything, only enemy models, not friendly models, have permission to move on top of a Skyshield Landing Pad, T'au have access to stackable Ignore Wounds (albeit against Mortal Wounds only), the T'au Early Warning Override Support System only works if a unit is "teleporting to the battlefield", not just arriving mid-battle, Genestealer Cults can no longer move after ambushing, you can only ever use the Deathwatch Teleportarium Stratagem "once", and then never again in any battle after you use it, single use weapons MUST be fired the first time a model shoots if they are in range and LOS, if a model splits fire, each weapon must target a different unit, the Agents of Vect stratagem can be used by ANY Drukhari army, not just one with a Kabal of the Black Heart detachment, a Tyrant Guard with Lashwhip can absorb an infinite amount of damage via Shieldwall between the time they die and the time they fight, Chapter Tactics on Successor Chapters don't actually do anything, Codex Leman Russ's can take an infinite amount of Hunter-Killer Missiles, Storm Bolters and Heavy Stubbers, and Imothekh's 'Lord of the Storm' ability hits the "target unit" twice.
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 Marmatag wrote:
Warhammer community is not a rules source.


Yes, it is. Its the official FAQ/errata/rules update place now.
   
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 p5freak wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
Warhammer community is not a rules source.

Yes, it is. Its the official FAQ/errata/rules update place now.

To be precise, it is one of the places where Games Workshop is hosting the errata and FAQ downloads now.

Even more irritating, FAQs and Commentaries do nothing to change a rule, that's what the Erratas do. But I guess actually changing the wording of rule to fit your intent is far more difficult for people to grasp then reading a "How We Play It" FAQ or Commentary.

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 Charistoph wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
Warhammer community is not a rules source.

Yes, it is. Its the official FAQ/errata/rules update place now.

To be precise, it is one of the places where Games Workshop is hosting the errata and FAQ downloads now.

Even more irritating, FAQs and Commentaries do nothing to change a rule, that's what the Erratas do. But I guess actually changing the wording of rule to fit your intent is far more difficult for people to grasp then reading a "How We Play It" FAQ or Commentary.
So then why bother with Errata at all?

Disclaimer: My YMDC answers are from a "What the rules, as written in the rulebook, actually say" perspective, not a "What I wish the rules said" perspective.
Because some people get their knickers in a twist, I'll list these RaW 'oddities' in my sig. Sadly GW's promise of fixing their broken rules has itself been broken. RaW you cannot advance and then fire assault weapons, you can't shoot pistols if within 1" of an enemy, "minimum" ranges don't work, Seraphim have to re-roll saves that "fail" pre-re-roll, the game simply breaks if you ever have more than one wounded model in a unit, the game also breaks if a single rule ever tries to do multiple things simultaneously, Khârn punches himself in the face if he's not near some meatshields, Librarians on Bikes are locked to the Index power list, Howling Banshees can't declare a charge further than 12", Spore Mines have an infinite range, Shroudpsalm technically doesn't do anything, only enemy models, not friendly models, have permission to move on top of a Skyshield Landing Pad, T'au have access to stackable Ignore Wounds (albeit against Mortal Wounds only), the T'au Early Warning Override Support System only works if a unit is "teleporting to the battlefield", not just arriving mid-battle, Genestealer Cults can no longer move after ambushing, you can only ever use the Deathwatch Teleportarium Stratagem "once", and then never again in any battle after you use it, single use weapons MUST be fired the first time a model shoots if they are in range and LOS, if a model splits fire, each weapon must target a different unit, the Agents of Vect stratagem can be used by ANY Drukhari army, not just one with a Kabal of the Black Heart detachment, a Tyrant Guard with Lashwhip can absorb an infinite amount of damage via Shieldwall between the time they die and the time they fight, Chapter Tactics on Successor Chapters don't actually do anything, Codex Leman Russ's can take an infinite amount of Hunter-Killer Missiles, Storm Bolters and Heavy Stubbers, and Imothekh's 'Lord of the Storm' ability hits the "target unit" twice.
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 Charistoph wrote:

To be precise, it is one of the places where Games Workshop is hosting the errata and FAQ downloads now.


What are the other places ?


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 Charistoph wrote:

Even more irritating, FAQs and Commentaries do nothing to change a rule, that's what the Erratas do. But I guess actually changing the wording of rule to fit your intent is far more difficult for people to grasp then reading a "How We Play It" FAQ or Commentary.


Only irritating to you, if you look at the FAQs page you will see errata written below every graphic, even under designers commentary and stepping into a new edition.....

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Errata indicate where a rule will have the wording changed in future printing.
   
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nosferatu1001 wrote:
Errata indicate where a rule will have the wording changed in future printing.


Not for GW, the designers commentary and stepping into a new edition never existed as print medium. And they probably never will.
   
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BaconCatBug wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:
 p5freak wrote:
 Marmatag wrote:
Warhammer community is not a rules source.

Yes, it is. Its the official FAQ/errata/rules update place now.

To be precise, it is one of the places where Games Workshop is hosting the errata and FAQ downloads now.

Even more irritating, FAQs and Commentaries do nothing to change a rule, that's what the Erratas do. But I guess actually changing the wording of rule to fit your intent is far more difficult for people to grasp then reading a "How We Play It" FAQ or Commentary.
So then why bother with Errata at all?

The point is that instead of addressing the issue by changing how a rule is written, GW would just presents an FAQ in which they describe how they feel it could be played and leave the actual rule's wording alone. The Errata was used to fix their own proofreading errors rather than actually alter rules that were unclear.

After having just checked them out, they seemed to have corrected some of this behavior in recent months, thankfully.

p5freak wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:

To be precise, it is one of the places where Games Workshop is hosting the errata and FAQ downloads now.

What are the other places ?

Let's see, they've been posted on the Games Workshop model shop site and the Black Library site at random times without any instruction that they changed where they were posting the new versions. If it has been solely within the Community site for the last 6 months, that is a great step forward in consistent communication for them.

p5freak wrote:
 Charistoph wrote:

Even more irritating, FAQs and Commentaries do nothing to change a rule, that's what the Erratas do. But I guess actually changing the wording of rule to fit your intent is far more difficult for people to grasp then reading a "How We Play It" FAQ or Commentary.

Only irritating to you, if you look at the FAQs page you will see errata written below every graphic, even under designers commentary and stepping into a new edition.....

No, it is not just irritating to me when they do not change the written word, but certain individuals treat it as if the terminology has actually changed. The difference between RAW and RAI is the difference between Errata and FAQ/Commentary.

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