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Hi Guys, seems like there is a new "new primaris rumours" article every other week on BOLS / other gak peddler....

So what direction do you think they'll go? or what direction would you like them to go?

Personally, i liked the rumour of a smaller transport, maybe combined with the rumour of a new flyer- some kind of landspeeder/razorback hybrid with a 5 man transport capacity

any thoughts / hopes / dreams?

show me what you got

Never take what BOLS says to heart, wait till actual details comes out, bols is just a clickbate website with a few people that like warhammer.

With that said, I want bikes so they fix the biker rules.

Depends how they're selling, I'd imagine. Anyone any info on that or can give any insight as to where they're going to go?

They've sort of painted themselves into a corner with them because if they phase out Old Marines, players will just keep using their old models using the Primaris stat line.

A marine is a marine. A jump pack dude with two plasma guns kit bashed on to him is an Inceptor. A dreadnought is a dreadnought etc etc.

I'm hoping for bikers/cavalry myself.Something with a decent melee presence and good speed.

I don't think we'll get many new models except maybe one in the SW codex (and the odds are low I'd say) More likely we are going to see a stat buff/point reduction for reviers and an adjustment to flame agressors as they are the lowest performing Primaris models right now and we got another big FAQ in Sep.

It'll be a few years before we see OldMarines rotated out and their Primaris version come out. GW will want at least an edition if not two between the introduction of the primaris marines and the retooling of the molds for tactical marines and their oldschool counterparts. Maybe in 10th edition we'll see all marines get a second wound and then an announcement that primaris scaled tactical marine squads are being released - of course with the usual caveat that oldmarines can be used as CountsAs for an edition or two.

I'd like to see a Rhino equivalent and hoverbikes.

Count as only goes so far when competetive goes and TLoS gets involved. I recall a topic back in 5th where someone was talking about their old metal Terminators and a new player not believing they were valid models due to being smaller than the current kit. So eventually we'd see everything go full Primaris.

That said, Primaris are lacking a good melee option. Sure they can do a decent punch up (a 10 man Intercessor Squad gets 21 attacks after all), but they don't have a good unit for just tearing something apart. If Reivers got a -1 AP on their knife they'd fill that role, but for the moment I see them more as a harrassment unit that runs around with their guns and peppers back line units while Batmaning about the table.

A lighter troop transport with capacity six would be great. I am thinking a heavily armored landspeeder. Heavy Gatling cannon with a storm bolter and frag launcher add on. Can replace cannon with a las talon. Six capacity is essential that way it could carry an aggressor squad or a 5 man team with a character.

I'd like to see a melee focused biker squad. Have slow melee troops (Aggressors) and fast shooty guys (Inceptors) which amuses me. Melee needs to be fast so they require transports or just be fast. Bikes should have the standard bolt rifles or carbines mounted on it while the dudes carry lighter shields (5++ invuln or something) with a lance or a variety of power weapons. I am on the fence about them having fly or not. Fly is cool, but A LOT of factions have it and I don't want it to be over done. On the other hand the anti-grav low level flying does fit the Primaris theme.

A sternguard equivalent primaris elite choice.

A melee unit of shieldy boys. Shields and whatever power weapons you want. They get a bonus if they are all in base to base with each other. This bonus would probably be a +1 armor save. Decent melee boys more designed to grind down the enemy and tie them up, but still have power weapons. Same idea as Ogryn. On the inside of the shield is a heavy bolt pistol giving them a touch of ranged options.

Primaris tech marine.

A dedicated tank option in the same vain as the predator. Land based boom boom tank that goes pew pew. Gatling cannon, las talon, etc etc.

As for modifying existing units:

Reivers: -1 AP on their knives. They are melee unit no one is afraid of. Stratagem to throw their grenade 12 inches.

Intercessors: Option to buy chainswords for them. Option to buy heavy bolt pistols.

Aggressors: Let them have their frag launcher when they take the flame gauntlets.

Hellblasters: Buff their heavy weapon option by making it heavy two or 2 damage base.

You will eventually have a Primaris option to more or less replace all of the current Marine branches, though it won't be an exact match. The obvious lack right now is: terminator style super heavy infantry, and genuine melee units.

Also if GW plays this smart, they'll stat them correctly (since terminators and assault marines suck right now). Boom you have your reason to buy them.

Hopefully into a dumpster along with cawl

 Backspacehacker wrote:
Hopefully into a dumpster along with cawl

Five O' Clock. Parking lot. Be there. /Flex

I think if you are looking to the future of primaris simple look at AOS sigmarines. I suspect that they will update primaris along the same lines. So once SOB drop next year we are going to get a new SM codex soon after with a lot of new primaris models. Eventually, they will have an entire range with everything you like from regular SM just in better scale

I want jetbike primaris with GK weapons and psycannons build in to the bike.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
Intercessors: Option to buy chainswords for them. Option to buy heavy bolt pistols.

I really feel like all of the Primaris models that have bolt pistols should have gotten heavy bolt pistols instead. It'd fit the army a lot better.

Process wrote:
Hi Guys, seems like there is a new "new primaris rumours" article every other week on BOLS / other gak peddler....

So what direction do you think they'll go? or what direction would you like them to go?

Personally, i liked the rumour of a smaller transport, maybe combined with the rumour of a new flyer- some kind of landspeeder/razorback hybrid with a 5 man transport capacity

any thoughts / hopes / dreams?

show me what you got

It's probably just the SW's release, wouldn't be surprised if they get upgrades or a few new models.

I just picked some up recently, and I kinda wish they would just do away with the old marine infantry models and just use the Primaris stat line.

Yes, a lot of current marine options will be gone, but I say Good Riddance. I’d prefer the simpler data sheets and less weapon options to fiddle with. Marines just have too many options available to them and most of them are subpar anyway so they don’t get used.

As for what to give them, they need a bike unit. (As an aside, Primaris on grimdark versions of Segways would be hilarious). Also, the Rhino, Predator and other vehicles just need to be ported over to Primaris versions - it’s utterly silly they can’t just clamber into a Rhino FFS.

They're not going to completely sideline old marines until they markedly dip in sales and they're not going to fully flesh out the Primaris until they start selling lots.

This is why I'd be interested to hear from anyone in the know as to whether Primaris are flying off the shelves a year on from release.

This has always been GW's problem. They allow perceived demand to drive sales rather than creating that demand and then feeding it. When they took the decision to can WHFB sales were low but stable. They then launched the Nagash book and sales exploded. Until, that is, players realised where it was going and then threw their hat at the whole thing. Leading to AoS being dead on arrival.

To get people to buy lots of Primaris they need to put product out there and come up with something other than 'these are the bestest space marines of all time. FACT!' nonsense. So what they should be doing is launching different kits to make Primaris a standalone force. What they'll likely do is continue this anaemic approach where Primaris and Old Marines are living side by side. They should really be split and the fluff made more complex to justify it.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Count as only goes so far when competetive goes and TLoS gets involved. I recall a topic back in 5th where someone was talking about their old metal Terminators and a new player not believing they were valid models due to being smaller than the current kit. So eventually we'd see everything go full Primaris.

That said, Primaris are lacking a good melee option. Sure they can do a decent punch up (a 10 man Intercessor Squad gets 21 attacks after all), but they don't have a good unit for just tearing something apart. If Reivers got a -1 AP on their knife they'd fill that role, but for the moment I see them more as a harrassment unit that runs around with their guns and peppers back line units while Batmaning about the table.

I'm in favor of Reivers getting an alternate build with Stalker Bolt Rifles instead of Carbines.

 Stormonu wrote:
I just picked some up recently, and I kinda wish they would just do away with the old marine infantry models and just use the Primaris stat line.

Yes, a lot of current marine options will be gone, but I say Good Riddance. I’d prefer the simpler data sheets and less weapon options to fiddle with. Marines just have too many options available to them and most of them are subpar anyway so they don’t get used.

As for what to give them, they need a bike unit. (As an aside, Primaris on grimdark versions of Segways would be hilarious). Also, the Rhino, Predator and other vehicles just need to be ported over to Primaris versions - it’s utterly silly they can’t just clamber into a Rhino FFS.

I just use Primaris, there is no need to get rid off the old line just yet.

Banville wrote:
They're not going to completely sideline old marines until they markedly dip in sales and they're not going to fully flesh out the Primaris until they start selling lots.

This is why I'd be interested to hear from anyone in the know as to whether Primaris are flying off the shelves a year on from release.

This has always been GW's problem. They allow perceived demand to drive sales rather than creating that demand and then feeding it. When they took the decision to can WHFB sales were low but stable. They then launched the Nagash book and sales exploded. Until, that is, players realised where it was going and then threw their hat at the whole thing. Leading to AoS being dead on arrival.

To get people to buy lots of Primaris they need to put product out there and come up with something other than 'these are the bestest space marines of all time. FACT!' nonsense. So what they should be doing is launching different kits to make Primaris a standalone force. What they'll likely do is continue this anaemic approach where Primaris and Old Marines are living side by side. They should really be split and the fluff made more complex to justify it.

8E has been enough of a success I believe they can get away with “ripping the band-aid off”. It’s pretty clear they’re not going to put out more non-Primaris releases, they just need to put the old kits onto the “Last Chance to Buy” and drop them by, say Christmas. Make it clear that they’re going with Primaris only, and if you want to pick up the old models there’s plenty of those on e-bay and the like.

This went off the tracks into “Spess Mehreens are DEAD now!” in record timing.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
Count as only goes so far when competetive goes and TLoS gets involved. I recall a topic back in 5th where someone was talking about their old metal Terminators and a new player not believing they were valid models due to being smaller than the current kit. So eventually we'd see everything go full Primaris.

That said, Primaris are lacking a good melee option. Sure they can do a decent punch up (a 10 man Intercessor Squad gets 21 attacks after all), but they don't have a good unit for just tearing something apart. If Reivers got a -1 AP on their knife they'd fill that role, but for the moment I see them more as a harrassment unit that runs around with their guns and peppers back line units while Batmaning about the table.

I'm in favor of Reivers getting an alternate build with Stalker Bolt Rifles instead of Carbines.

That could be cool. Elite sneaky sniper Marines with spooky skull masks seem cool to me.


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meleti wrote:
This went off the tracks into “Spess Mehreens are DEAD now!” in record timing.

Something had to replace all of our derails about Sisters needing a real codex and update.

I definatly think a terminator equivilant and a melee specialist primaris marine are needed. could even combine the two.

Put em in some sort of "terminator armor" give em each a power weapon and a bolt rifle. it'd work alright. especially if they where veterns, as SM vets have always gotten +1 attack, so a primaris terminator force would be a 5 man squad with 15 attacks... it'd be decent.

What concerns me a bit about the new "terminator" replacements is that they'll be exorbitantly expensive. If Aggressors which are large models are already on the pricey side to buy and build....terminators will end up being the size of those god-gak-awful Centurions or something.

I personally think they missed a huge beat with the Aggressors being statted so poorly as far as toughness/wounds/armour. They look like a perfect upgrade to terminators, but are not.

 Elbows wrote:
What concerns me a bit about the new "terminator" replacements is that they'll be exorbitantly expensive. If Aggressors which are large models are already on the pricey side to buy and build....terminators will end up being the size of those god-gak-awful Centurions or something.

I personally think they missed a huge beat with the Aggressors being statted so poorly as far as toughness/wounds/armour. They look like a perfect upgrade to terminators, but are not.

Primaris sized Centurions could be cool. Though only if they drop the army mounted guns and just got with drills and chest weapons or fists and chest weapons.

I kind of like gravis armour being so different from regular terminator armour, but the lack of a unit with a 2+ does feel kind of off right now.

A lack of 2+ would be alirhg tif they at least had something with a good invul save, Maybe a Primaris with a sword, stomr shield and wrist mounted bolt gun? heck toss it in Gravis armor and I think we have a winner.

BrianDavion wrote:
A lack of 2+ would be alirhg tif they at least had something with a good invul save, Maybe a Primaris with a sword, stomr shield and wrist mounted bolt gun? heck toss it in Gravis armor and I think we have a winner.

I don't think a shield is the way to go. I mean, visually it's very Imperial, but I feel like the bulk of Gravis keeps it from really working in my head.

this is going to be crazy but just hear me out: Primaris CSM!

The CSM troop box needs an update, and why not upscale them to be the same size as primaris marines? Throw in an updated Chaos weapons and bits sprue and you have yourself some mighty fine CSM and Chosen models.

DudleyGrim wrote:
this is going to be crazy but just hear me out: Primaris CSM!

The CSM troop box needs an update, and why not upscale them to be the same size as primaris marines? Throw in an updated Chaos weapons and bits sprue and you have yourself some mighty fine CSM and Chosen models.

The whole point of Primaris was to make them more resistant to chaos.

So, at least for now, any embiggening of the CSM would likely come from Bile's experiments or the gifts of the gods.

Isn't it stated that Gravis armour is more like a mounting platform than heavy Armour? Sure it adds the 1T but aggressors have mounted weapons and inceptors have flight upgrades.

GW wrote these guys pretty open. Love them or hate them, Primaris are very open for new kits.

 fraser1191 wrote:
Isn't it stated that Gravis armour is more like a mounting platform than heavy Armour? Sure it adds the 1T but aggressors have mounted weapons and inceptors have flight upgrades.

GW wrote these guys pretty open. Love them or hate them, Primaris are very open for new kits.

It's very true, but it's the shape of them that makes me question them using physical shields. Maybe some kind of force shield like a Iron Halo, to leave their hands free for other things.