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By Index, what's left?

Imperium 1: Wolves are out soon, is that it for that Index correct?
Imperium 2: Sisters, Assassins, Inquisition
Chaos: ??? everything is out right?
Xenos 1: Ynnari
Xenos 2: Orks & GSC

Have I missed anything? I am fairly sure once everything is updated to a Codex, GW will stop print on all Indexes. After that, it should only be a matter of time before certain load outs are no longer supported. I predict the "Designer's Commentary" will either change or "go missing" on the WH Community site.
It makes sense for a business standpoint as GW no longer sells certain models (so why encourage their use?) and why bother printing and selling redundant/outdated books?

Any thoughts?

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Genestealer Cult still don't have one, do they?

 Galef wrote:
By Index, what's left?

Imperium 1: Wolves are out soon, is that it for that Index correct?
Imperium 2: Sisters, Assassins, ???
Chaos: ??? everything is out right?
Xenos 1: Ynnari
Xenos 2: Orks

Have I missed anything? I am fairly sure once everything is updated to a Codex, GW will stop print on all Indexes. After that, it should only be a matter of time before certain load outs are no longer supported. I predict the "Designer's Commentary" will either change or "go missing" on the WH Community site.
It makes sense for a business standpoint as GW no longer sells certain models (so why encourage their use) and why bother printing an selling redundant/outdated books?

Any thoughts?

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We may get a codex for Inquisitors and Assassins too, it's happened in the past.

We may NOT get a Ynnari codex on the other hand, difficult to say how they'd handle that. I can't imagine they'd release a codex unless they were releasing a few more Ynnari specific units to go with it, though it needn't be many. Only needs to be a Harlequin level of release.

I think it's too early to say what happens after that. They may stop print on the Indexes, but they'll certainly be valid at least until the next phase of 40k. I say phase because there was a feeling 8e would stick around a lot longer, but if it does I'm certain see an 8.2 at some point where they rerelease the core rules with updates and errata. Personally I think we will just get a 9e in another year or two though, as that's still happened with Sigmar.

We simply don't know what GW's intention is for units that are Index only though, it's entirely speculation at this stage.

Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

I would love to see a agents of the imperium type codex with inquisition, assasins and possibly even some rogue trader models/rules.

 Galef wrote:

Chaos: ??? everything is out right?

Renegade Knights got their own index, but you could argue they're technically Index only. I do think they're unlikely to get their own codex but we can hope right?

Stux wrote:


We may get a codex for Inquisitors and Assassins too, it's happened in the past.

An "Agents of the Emperor" type codex might be a nice way of bundling up the Inquisition, Assassins, Sisters of Silence -- stuff that is unlikely to get its own stand alone book.

Indeed, Agents of the Imperium would be a good release. You could easily make that be the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters book.

As for Ynnari, I could easily see a book released with Ynnari specific datasheets, rather than pulling from 3 other Codices. It would include the 3 Ynnari character, of course, but also Ynnari Farseer, Ynnari Archon, etc. as well as Guardians, Dire Avengers, Wyches, Kabalits and Harlie Troupes. Add in a handful of other choices and you have a full codex.
No need to trade rules for SfD or limit what choices can be taken for other books as the datasheets within the book would already do this.

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 G00fySmiley wrote:
I would love to see an agents of the imperium type codex with inquisition, assasins and possibly even some rogue trader models/rules.

This would make the most sense really; lump them in with some AM/SM Auxilia units, and you've almost an army in itself - but best used as a supporting force. Just need to make some rule so they fit in battle-forged armies properly and done.

Genestealer Cults.

With the change to how key words work they need to give anything like inquisition or assassins an exception. As of right now they don't work as a faction due to how detachment minimums work.

 Sgt_Smudge wrote:
Genestealer Cult still don't have one, do they?

Banville wrote:
Genestealer Cults.

Updated in the OP, thanx

 Galef wrote:
Indeed, Agents of the Imperium would be a good release. You could easily make that be the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters book.

As for Ynnari, I could easily see a book released with Ynnari specific datasheets, rather than pulling from 3 other Codices. It would include the 3 Ynnari character, of course, but also Ynnari Farseer, Ynnari Archon, etc. as well as Guardians, Dire Avengers, Wyches, Kabalits and Harlie Troupes. Add in a handful of other choices and you have a full codex.
No need to trade rules for SfD or limit what choices can be taken for other books as the datasheets within the book would already do this.

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This would also allow them to point balance Ynnari as their own faction.

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Indeed, Agents of the Imperium would be a good release. You could easily make that be the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters book.

As for Ynnari, I could easily see a book released with Ynnari specific datasheets, rather than pulling from 3 other Codices. It would include the 3 Ynnari character, of course, but also Ynnari Farseer, Ynnari Archon, etc. as well as Guardians, Dire Avengers, Wyches, Kabalits and Harlie Troupes. Add in a handful of other choices and you have a full codex.
No need to trade rules for SfD or limit what choices can be taken for other books as the datasheets within the book would already do this.

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This would also allow them to point balance Ynnari as their own faction.

that is true, with the different army rules, strategems etc the ynarri might actually have units that need points decreases and some that need increases as determined from platy testing. I do think just saying you can give this new keyword to existing units would be a disservice.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

Legion of the Damned are still Index only.

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

I wouldn't say callous, they just learned a hard lesson about IP from Chapter House!

At least we know where we stand. If there's no model, GW can't afford to risk supporting it.

Technically everything is out from the chaos index. We still need the WE & EC books though... assuming their still a thing.

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

I wouldn't say callous, they just learned a hard lesson about IP from Chapter House!

At least we know where we stand. If there's no model, GW can't afford to risk supporting it.

I consider it callous to suddenly purge a ton of options that they make the models for it just requires some work with a hobby knife and maybe some green stuff to make. I get that they took the decision that they can't protect things they don't make hard but GW has gone to far in the other direction.

I expect the indices to go bye bye in CA this year.

Martel732 wrote:
I expect the indices to go bye bye in CA this year.

At least for matched play.

Martel732 wrote:
I expect the indices to go bye bye in CA this year.

I doubt it will be that fast. Every major faction will get some kind of codex before they do that.

 G00fySmiley wrote:

 Eldarsif wrote:

 Galef wrote:
Indeed, Agents of the Imperium would be a good release. You could easily make that be the Inquisition, Assassins and Sisters book.

As for Ynnari, I could easily see a book released with Ynnari specific datasheets, rather than pulling from 3 other Codices. It would include the 3 Ynnari character, of course, but also Ynnari Farseer, Ynnari Archon, etc. as well as Guardians, Dire Avengers, Wyches, Kabalits and Harlie Troupes. Add in a handful of other choices and you have a full codex.
No need to trade rules for SfD or limit what choices can be taken for other books as the datasheets within the book would already do this.

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This would also allow them to point balance Ynnari as their own faction.

that is true, with the different army rules, strategems etc the ynarri might actually have units that need points decreases and some that need increases as determined from platy testing. I do think just saying you can give this new keyword to existing units would be a disservice.

Since their introduction, they've talked about them as eventually being their own faction--so I would be surprised if they don't get an army book of their own and units that can possibly be multi-builds with some of the older Aeldari and Drukhari kits.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I expect the indices to go bye bye in CA this year.

I doubt it will be that fast. Every major faction will get some kind of codex before they do that.

GSC is supposed to be out by year end, orc and Space furries too leaving Ynnari (Dont think GW know what yo do with them) Assasins, Inquisition. Sisters of Silence will be in IA talons supposed to be Q4? Which leaves Sisters of Battle which will have beta codex in CA not beyond the realms of possibility that CA 2018 kills non IA indexes. With Assasins and Inquisition in a PDF dex like Renegade Knights.

Formally, aren't Ynnari rules in-box? Which means that they are not technically Index anymore despite not having a codex?

I very, very highly doubt we'll see an Ynnari Codex, though I'd LOVE it if we did.

SG


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Bharring wrote:
Formally, aren't Ynnari rules in-box? Which means that they are not technically Index anymore despite not having a codex?

I'm really not sure. The Yncarne, The Visarch, and Yvraine are all still Index-only, I believe.

SG

I don't see why GW wouldn't do an Ynnari codex. After all, selling you the same rules twice is their game now.

Service,
Are you sure? I thought those 3 had their rules in-box. They might be identical, but as the in-box rules were published after the Index, wouldn't that supercede the Index?

Purely a technical point, but I'm curious.

Bharring wrote:
Service,
Are you sure? I thought those 3 had their rules in-box. They might be identical, but as the in-box rules were published after the Index, wouldn't that supercede the Index?

Purely a technical point, but I'm curious.

I doubt the in box rules have Strength from Death, etc. in them.

HoundsofDemos wrote:

Stux wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:

 LunarSol wrote:

HoundsofDemos wrote:
Inquisition needs a codex at some point, though they are in a weird spot since GW hasn't given them models in a long while.

Eisenhorn was out earlier this year.

While it was cool to see him in plastic that was a publicity stunt. The current model range is old, metal and there is no way to sport most of the options with out kit bashing extensively. While I am 100 percent fine with that GW has shown a nearly callous disregard for models they don't sell directly. That has me questioning where they are taking the army in future.

I wouldn't say callous, they just learned a hard lesson about IP from Chapter House!

At least we know where we stand. If there's no model, GW can't afford to risk supporting it.

I consider it callous to suddenly purge a ton of options that they make the models for it just requires some work with a hobby knife and maybe some green stuff to make. I get that they took the decision that they can't protect things they don't make hard but GW has gone to far in the other direction.

Suddenly!? When did Biker Librarians last have a model?

You're having a full edition where they are legal but with clear warning signs, how is that sudden?


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 BaconCatBug wrote:
I don't see why GW wouldn't do an Ynnari codex. After all, selling you the same rules twice is their game now.

Sure. Even if it's a slim tome with just the 3 data sheets in it, they could probably still charge like £15 if it had some new Strats and people would buy it!