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Can someone clarify the use of the House Raven order of Companions stratagem?

It allows you to re-roll all rolls of 1 for this model. This includes damage, wound, number of shots and to-hit rolls. Most players are even using it to re-roll a 1 or a 2 in the case of a d3. This indicates they are re-rolling the result of a 1, not necessarily the 1 on a d6.

Here is the problem. They also want to re-roll the 1 results for the dice on the 2d6 number of shots roll for the plasma decimator. However the result of the roll is a number from 2 to 12. I would argue this would mean you can't re-roll any dice since the result is always greater than 1. Can someone clarify the use of this stratagem.

Its unclear. The stratagem doesnt specify what exactly is meant by rolls of 1. Could be a natural dice roll of 1, or not. Another one that needs to be FAQed.

Probably a FAQ-worthy update to make it crystal clear.

Excluding the word "dice" from "rolls of 1" adds some ambiguity between a total results of a roll vs individual dice rolled with the 2d6 weapon.

Brevity in this case is the generator of arguments.

There are examples of the "reroll any dice rolls of 1" text in later codex to accommodate single and multi-dice rolls. (Space Wolves Grey Hunter Wolf Standard which applies equally to advances (1d6) and charges (2d6)

I would go with the 'dice rolls of 1' approach. Which means a 1 in a (1,6) roll can be re-rolled.

I, too, would err on the side of "rolls" of 1, not results of 1. This also helps mitigate modifiers.

Do note, that with this particular approach, 1 or 2 on a D3 is a "roll" of 1. D3 dice exist and have two sides with a "1". Treating a D6 roll of 2 as a 1 is a substitute for not having a true D3.
But in either case, the "roll" is a 1, not the result.

It also means that when there are modifiers that bring rolls that were not 1s to a result of 1, they cannot be re-rolled. Re-rolls occur before modifiers, which also supports the rule being rolls of 1, not results.

This has been asked multiple times before. You can re-roll any result of 1 on a D3, regardless of what the physical dice shows. So yes, you can re-roll 1's and "2's" on a D3.

 BaconCatBug wrote:
This has been asked multiple times before. You can re-roll any result of 1 on a D3, regardless of what the physical dice shows. So yes, you can re-roll 1's and "2's" on a D3.

If that's the case, even snake eyes on a 2D3 roll would than be a result of 2 (and the min damage roll you could get on the Volcano Lance would be 3, regardless of what the physical dice show), yes? No?

BaconCatBug wrote:This has been asked multiple times before. You can re-roll any result of 1 on a D3, regardless of what the physical dice shows. So yes, you can re-roll 1's and "2's" on a D3.

Agreed.

Sunny Side Up wrote:

 BaconCatBug wrote:
This has been asked multiple times before. You can re-roll any result of 1 on a D3, regardless of what the physical dice shows. So yes, you can re-roll 1's and "2's" on a D3.

If that's the case, even snake eyes on a 2D3 roll would than be a result of 2 (and the min damage roll you could get on the Volcano Lance would be 3, regardless of what the physical dice show), yes? No?

No re-rolls of 1, as the result is a minimum of 2.

If you roll snake eyes with 2D3 the result would be 2, which is not 1. Which means you couldnt re-roll it with the order of companions. But, as i already said, its unclear. GW needs to clarify this.

I think it is pretty clear that a roll of 1 is possible in a 2d6

Neurothropes have
"Warp Siphon:
You can re-roll rolls of 1 when taking
Psychic tests for friendly <HIVE FLEET> ZOANTHROPE
units within 6″ of this model."

Order Of Companions:
"Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase.
Pick a HOUSE RAVEN model from your army. Until the
end of the phase, re-roll all rolls of 1 for that model (this
includes hit rolls, wound rolls, damage rolls and rolls
made to determine the number of shots fired by weapons
that make a random number of attacks)."

A Psychic tests is always a 2d6 and both use the same wording "re-roll all rolls of 1" So you should be able to re-roll all 1 with Order Of Companions

The same goes for 2d3 or 3d3 or d3

IMO the word "result" means the final outcome of the dice roll including modifiers and re-rolls and so on. And not what the dice show.

 nordsturmking wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that a roll of 1 is possible in a 2d6

Neurothropes have
"Warp Siphon:
You can re-roll rolls of 1 when taking
Psychic tests for friendly <HIVE FLEET> ZOANTHROPE
units within 6″ of this model."

Order Of Companions:
"Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase.
Pick a HOUSE RAVEN model from your army. Until the
end of the phase, re-roll all rolls of 1 for that model (this
includes hit rolls, wound rolls, damage rolls and rolls
made to determine the number of shots fired by weapons
that make a random number of attacks)."

A Psychic tests is always a 2d6 and both use the same wording "re-roll all rolls of 1" So you should be able to re-roll all 1 with Order Of Companions.

Order of Companions works only in your shooting phase. It expires at the end of the phase (not the end of the turn). It wouldn't apply to any psychic tests being taken in the psychic phase.

 doctortom wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
I think it is pretty clear that a roll of 1 is possible in a 2d6

Neurothropes have
"Warp Siphon:
You can re-roll rolls of 1 when taking
Psychic tests for friendly <HIVE FLEET> ZOANTHROPE
units within 6″ of this model."

Order Of Companions:
"Use this Stratagem at the start of your Shooting phase.
Pick a HOUSE RAVEN model from your army. Until the
end of the phase, re-roll all rolls of 1 for that model (this
includes hit rolls, wound rolls, damage rolls and rolls
made to determine the number of shots fired by weapons
that make a random number of attacks)."

A Psychic tests is always a 2d6 and both use the same wording "re-roll all rolls of 1" So you should be able to re-roll all 1 with Order Of Companions.

Order of Companions works only in your shooting phase. It expires at the end of the phase (not the end of the turn). It wouldn't apply to any psychic tests being taken in the psychic phase.

I did not mean that OoC has any effect in the psychic phase. Sorry if it was unclear. I was only refering to the psychic test as an example of a roll of 2d6 where 1s can be rerolled.
BC some people argue that a 2d6 can only roll 2-12 and not 1 which is not true. Hence exaple with the Neurothropes Warp Siphon ability.

Is there a clarification to this question in a new publication?

 nordsturmking wrote:
Is there a clarification to this question in a new publication?

BRB FAQ page 8

 BaconCatBug wrote:

 nordsturmking wrote:
Is there a clarification to this question in a new publication?

BRB FAQ page 8

I guess you refer to the quote below. That has nothing to do with the question in this thread.

Q: If a rule allows me to re-roll Damage rolls of 1, and the
Damage characteristic for a weapon is D3, do I re-roll the D6
rolls of 1 and 2 (which are halved to get the D3 result) or only the
original D6 rolls of 1?
A: In this case, you re-roll the D3 result (so you re-roll
rolls of 1 or 2 made on the D6).

The question is if players can re-roll a roll of 1 for the 2D6 number of shots for the plasma decimator.

It could do with clarification, but basically this is generally played by looking at the 1s on a die by die basis. So a d3 a side showing 1 or 2 is a 1, so that can be rerolled. If you roll 2d3 any of the 1s or 2s can be rerolled because they are all 1s. And of course for a 2d6 any of the 1s can be rerolled.

Yes, there is some inconsistency in the application of the terms roll and result. But this is how it is generally interpreted in this situation.