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No interest from anyone at the local shop.

Reasons given for no interest were...

Price.
Imperial armies only.
Not buying a game with only two available models for the entire game system.
New scale not compatible with currrent gw games.
Concern that like all GW boxed games this will be regulated to the bargin bins in a few weeks.

So is Adeptus Titanicus a bust?

If you did buy into it, what did you get and why?

Thanks dakka!

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Judging by the fact that they couldn't actually fully stock third parties due to demand, I don't think "bust" is quite the right word. In fact, it looks like they severely underestimated demand.
   
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We'll find out soon enough eh.

Pancakey wrote:
No interest from anyone at the local shop.

Reasons given for no interest were...

Price.


While the sticker shock on the GM edition is definitely real, (assuming 25% online discount)£15 for the Knights, £26 for the Reaver, £49 for the Warlord, and a rumoured £38 for a pair of Warhounds isn't unreasonable in the context of GW's existing price structure, which I'm assuming they're willing to tolerate in other contexts.

Not buying a game with only two available models for the entire game system.


Discarding the game because they can't wait literally a few weeks for the additional releases? Sounds more like they were looking for an excuse, most of us won't even have finished painting our first Titan before the Reaver is out.

New scale not compatible with currrent gw games.


Unless they're talking about 40K which makes little sense since it being a different scale to 40K is the entire point, that's actually a false perception. Epic never had a consistent scale to begin with and the new Warlords fall well within the range that was being used for "truescale" Epic Titans by forumware and third party products.

Concern that like all GW boxed games this will be regulated to the bargin bins in a few weeks.


This isn't a GW boxed game, it's a Specialist Game. I've yet to see Necromunda or Blood Bowl products in any "bargain bin", and just like those two they already have at least a solid year or two's worth of releases planned out.

So is Adeptus Titanicus a bust?


No.

If you did buy into it, what did you get and why?


Warlord, Rules Pack, two Knight Banners, and in the short term I'll be adding two Reavers and a box of Warhounds for a standard Maniple. If they release the other Knight chassis, the FW ones especially, I intend to collect an entire Household of Knights. Why? Because I want a Titan Maniple and a Knight Household, and I could never afford those things in 40K scale. The fact the models come alongside one of the most crunchy and tactically engaging games GW have put out since Battlefleet Gothic in the late 90's is icing on the cake.

I would suggest that it's worth getting your local shop to reconsider, they're missing out on an excellent game with genuinely fantastic models(the detail on the Knights is ridiculous considering their size) for reasons that aren't really accurate.

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Pancakey wrote:
No interest from anyone at the local shop.

Reasons given for no interest were...

Price.
Not buying a game with only two available models for the entire game system.
New scale not compatible with currrent gw games.
Concern that like all GW boxed games this will be regulated to the bargin bins in a few weeks.

So is Adeptus Titanicus a bust?

If you did buy into it, what did you get and why?

Thanks dakka!


So... because your store doesn't understand value the game is a bust?

I don't know about many others but spending $290 to get $430 worth of product is a steal to me.

Then we go to the fact that, within just 3 weeks we get a second unit. 3 weeks! That's amazing.

Let's go into the actual game. 2 models? Sure, except those models have a good variety in play and it would be hard to play every idea until the next model dropped.

I have about 6 players in my FLGS alone.
   
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Thought it looked interesting. I missed the whole Epic phase as was too poor and invested in 2nd ed, hence AT grabbed my attention.

However the kicker for me was Imp only. I would have snapped it up with Eldar/Orks/other factions but Imp VS Chaos was too limited Im afraid.

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 Yodhrin wrote:
The fact the models come alongside one of the most crunchy and tactically engaging games GW have put out since Battlefleet Gothic in the late 90's is icing on the cake.

I would suggest that it's worth getting your local shop to reconsider, they're missing out on an excellent game with genuinely fantastic models(the detail on the Knights is ridiculous considering their size) for reasons that aren't really accurate.


This. 100% this.

The game is fantastic. The I go and you go play, the arcs, the movement and multitude of tactical decisions... Yea. It's a crunchy game that will have a Knight Household book, likely an Militarum book, and several campaign books.



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 Ratius wrote:
Thought it looked interesting. I missed the whole Epic phase as was too poor and invested in 2nd ed, hence AT grabbed my attention.

However the kicker for me was Imp only. I would have snapped it up with Eldar/Orks/other factions but Imp VS Chaos was too limited Im afraid.


To me this is a flimsy thing. Other factions are extremely easy for them to add to the game.

It's cheaper for the company to start this way and add based off sales instead of investing all in once and cause many issues with buyers and the like.

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 Ratius wrote:
Thought it looked interesting. I missed the whole Epic phase as was too poor and invested in 2nd ed, hence AT grabbed my attention.

However the kicker for me was Imp only. I would have snapped it up with Eldar/Orks/other factions but Imp VS Chaos was too limited Im afraid.


Good point. Many people mentioned that too. I will add that to the list.

As far as supply goes, you can get a brand new grandmaster edition on the secondary market for less that retail price with shipping. That says a lot as far as demand goes.

In regards to my shop being the end all be all of the “bust” , that’s why I made the poll.
   
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Pancakey wrote:
 Ratius wrote:
Thought it looked interesting. I missed the whole Epic phase as was too poor and invested in 2nd ed, hence AT grabbed my attention.

However the kicker for me was Imp only. I would have snapped it up with Eldar/Orks/other factions but Imp VS Chaos was too limited Im afraid.


Good point. Many people mentioned that too. I will add that to the list.

As far as supply goes, you can get a brand new grandmaster edition on the secondary market for less that retail price with shipping. That says a lot as far as demand goes.

In regards to my shop being the end all be all of the “bust” , that’s why I made the poll.


You can great anything off the secondary market for cheaper. That's how they get you to buy.

Basically its about your group not getting a "good enough deal" no matter that a GM box is a free warlord and you only pay a little bit for a box of knights.
   
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I bought the rules a warlord and some knights and will buy everything I can for the system, it’s an awesome game at a good scale and is cheap to get into compared to 40k or Sigmar, (£30: ruleset, 3x titans minimum for a “matched play game” £65 each for most expensive plus cost of paints and glue. That £225 minimum for models) 40k assuming you don’t want either army from the starter set it’s £35 rules, £20 chapter approved(every year) £20-30 codex, £50 start collecting box, £30-70 for a vehicle or monster plus paint and glue. Let’s say you spend a total of £100 on vehicles and/or monsters and other units and you bought the £20 codex... that’s £225, the same cost yes you have more models (you’ll need more paint and glue and storage space for them) but you also no where near the points bracket everyone will Force you to play at so at the end of the day Titanicus is cheaper, the complaints are because it’s not cross compatible an to that I say you’ve not got a very good imagination, setup a second smaller table with the terrain set out the same (in a smaller scale) later the ranges of the titans weapon to match the smaller scale and play as if those titans where on the big table (yeah you’d need to do some work, and make some compromises and couldn’t do it for competitive games but when was the last time you say one of the Forgeworld titans move in a standard 40k or apocalypse game?)
   
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 Lysenis wrote:


So... because your store doesn't understand value the game is a bust?

I don't know about many others but spending $290 to get $430 worth of product is a steal to me.


How are people spending only 290 for the box set?

I was interested in the game until I saw this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Adeptus-Titanicus-Grand-Master-Ed-2018-eng

Price here is listed at $490.

At that point i 100% checked out on the idea of the game. If there was some deal or discounts somewhere, i missed them.

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SirWeeble wrote:

How are people spending only 290 for the box set?

I was interested in the game until I saw this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Adeptus-Titanicus-Grand-Master-Ed-2018-eng

Price here is listed at $490.
Well, they probably aren't buying it from the Australian webstore, for one. It's only $290 on the US store.
   
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SirWeeble wrote:
 Lysenis wrote:


So... because your store doesn't understand value the game is a bust?

I don't know about many others but spending $290 to get $430 worth of product is a steal to me.


How are people spending only 290 for the box set?

I was interested in the game until I saw this:
https://www.games-workshop.com/en-AU/Adeptus-Titanicus-Grand-Master-Ed-2018-eng

Price here is listed at $490.

At that point i 100% checked out on the idea of the game. If there was some deal or discounts somewhere, i missed them.


$290 USD

For AU that is still $358 USD which is a lot but you are still spending less than the box set costs in actual individual retail
   
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I bought rules pack and a planing on adding a reaver (for now). I wast outraged when I saw the price on the GME, but when I got the rules, I realised its not a starter set. Its basically a entire army (2 warlords and 6 knights, you can easily spend 1250 points for them). Ok sure, you can't play a maniple, but still. You also get lots of terrain. With all that said, I still won't buy a GME because its too much for me to spend in one go. Also, I don't intend to play with 2 warlords.
I agree that its a shame that there is no xeno titans. But you can always get into the game later if GW releases eldars or orks (or tyranids).
   
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Pancakey wrote:
No interest from anyone at the local shop.

Reasons given for no interest were...

Price.
Imperial armies only.
Not buying a game with only two available models for the entire game system.
New scale not compatible with currrent gw games.
Concern that like all GW boxed games this will be regulated to the bargin bins in a few weeks.

So is Adeptus Titanicus a bust?

If you did buy into it, what did you get and why?

Thanks dakka!


ok first of all it sounds like the price may not be as b ad as initaly thought, the warlord titan is expensive but the other titans are MUCH easier to choke down, (I've been saying from day 1, they should have made the Reaver the first released Titan) the new game with "only 2 models" is hardly an issue as we know other models are coming out hot on the heels of the inital release and, as others have said, chances are you won't be finished your warlord by time the reaver comes out. The scale issue is a bit of a silly complaint, the entire point of AT is a differant scale, and IMHO that makes AT MORE likely to receive long term support, games that use 40k models are easy to pull the plug on. games with their own model line require a more signficigent investment.

As for the Imperial armies only, honestly? that's smart. eventually Eldar, Ork etc will come, but focusing on just one line at launch is a good idea. eaither way it woulda taken time to release various factions. consider necromundia, not all the gangs are released yet. AT is starting off, and will build organicly from the solding beginning. we can't expect GW to put out an entirely new game system with all the factions developed over 30 years of warhammer 40k in a month

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I don't think its a bust, they just made a mistake by not letting people know the prices until the week of pre orders. This led to a bit of a shock for some people. However it looks like it did sell okay and having the models in hand I do believe they are amazing kits worth the money. I think what they do next and how the game is treated by GW will have a big impact on the games future. It also helps that the reaver is reasonably priced, allowing people to skip the warlord if they want and get in cheaper.

I quite like the horus heresy setting so I don't mind loyalist vs traitor, thematically there are some pretty awesome narrative possibilities.

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I think the main problem was that they added the moust expensive titan first, and thus further boosted the impression that AT is immensly expensive for its scale, but is it realy that expensive? i havent bought the warlord yet cuz it is not part of the maniple i want, but the knights are atleast dirt cheap. and the price for the rule box aint too bad either considereing what you get.
It allso dont help that there is no info on the box that this is 30k, not 40k.

This is a game that needs years to grow, and hopefully in time it gets meat on the bone.
Ask again in 2 years, asking after 2 weeks is way too short time.

Did i buy into AT?, yes but im buying 1 box at a time, thus spreading out the expenses.

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No I bloody didn't. And from what I've seen of the full shelves in stores not many people did.
   
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ValentineGames wrote:
No I bloody didn't. And from what I've seen of the full shelves in stores not many people did.
Your loss. Great game. Lots of potential and fun.

   
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Its a full bust in my neck of the woods. I have over 50 Epic Imperial Titans, not needing models I inquired if Incould scare up an opponent even if I supplied the models. Crickets... No opponents, no games, no go.

A ton of armies and a terrain habit...


 
   
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I think many might change their minds in time - Reavers are coming and knights are already very affordable. The Warlord is a big price but its a very impressive model to behold and put together.

Certainly there is local variety in where it has and hasn't taken off, but that is pretty normal. That the game has sold so well and likely beyond GW's initial expectations means that its in a very strong and solid position overall. Yes some local areas have loads and some have few or new players; but the overall picture (based on the fast sales of the core wargame box - which is expensive) is that it has done very well for itself at its launch.


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That said the games going to not draw in everyone, to be blunt, it;s a VERY differant game from 40k, small number of models, fairly complex crunchy rules etc. If you just wanna toss stupid numbers of dice and sweep models off the board, AT isn't for you.


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 dracpanzer wrote:
Its a full bust in my neck of the woods. I have over 50 Epic Imperial Titans, not needing models I inquired if Incould scare up an opponent even if I supplied the models. Crickets... No opponents, no games, no go.


Sounds like not much was tried. Did you grab a rule box? Do Demo games? advertise a week or more out?

I ask because I do demos for several flgs's and painting in public, having tables set up etc entice players. Hell I have sold a couple of GM boxes for my efforts so its not a lost cause. Just got to be willing to work for it.

Nothing worth having is going to be cheap or easy.


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BrianDavion wrote:
That said the games going to not draw in everyone, to be blunt, it;s a VERY differant game from 40k, small number of models, fairly complex crunchy rules etc. If you just wanna toss stupid numbers of dice and sweep models off the board, AT isn't for you.



You COULD throw large number of dice. . . it just does not remove models very well. . . dual gatlings on knights are not good at much except for weapon targets in CC range on a titan. Rolls an intense amount of dice though

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As a game system, it's got a lot of potential. All of the pieces are there to turn this into a really great game.

But, they really need to add in some more variety. Eldar, Orks, Chaos, even Tyranid bio-titans would be great to see in this game, so that it's not all Warlord v Warlord action.
   
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drbored wrote:
As a game system, it's got a lot of potential. All of the pieces are there to turn this into a really great game.

But, they really need to add in some more variety. Eldar, Orks, Chaos, even Tyranid bio-titans would be great to see in this game, so that it's not all Warlord v Warlord action.


Yea. Would be great. Go buy the game, at least the rules so that the fame can grow to the point of getting more factions. GW isn't going to invest in a system as heavily as more factions if they don't know how it will go
   
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 Lysenis wrote:
drbored wrote:
As a game system, it's got a lot of potential. All of the pieces are there to turn this into a really great game.

But, they really need to add in some more variety. Eldar, Orks, Chaos, even Tyranid bio-titans would be great to see in this game, so that it's not all Warlord v Warlord action.


Yea. Would be great. Go buy the game, at least the rules so that the fame can grow to the point of getting more factions. GW isn't going to invest in a system as heavily as more factions if they don't know how it will go


I'm expecting to see house rules for eldar and Ork titans pretty fast, Eldar will likely get conversions of some of the wraith unit constructs going and Ork players will do what they do best

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BrianDavion wrote:
 Lysenis wrote:
drbored wrote:
As a game system, it's got a lot of potential. All of the pieces are there to turn this into a really great game.

But, they really need to add in some more variety. Eldar, Orks, Chaos, even Tyranid bio-titans would be great to see in this game, so that it's not all Warlord v Warlord action.


Yea. Would be great. Go buy the game, at least the rules so that the fame can grow to the point of getting more factions. GW isn't going to invest in a system as heavily as more factions if they don't know how it will go


I'm expecting to see house rules for eldar and Ork titans pretty fast, Eldar will likely get conversions of some of the wraith unit constructs going and Ork players will do what they do best




Orks are easy. Give them higher armor, lower speed unless they are painted red. The mega Gargant might not even a base turn unless they push. Heck they might even be able to double push for an added bonuses. I could see them having Belly Guns that are corridor arc like a warlord carapace weapon.

Eldar are more interesting and a bit more difficult...
   
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I don't care when the 1985 version took place, they should've made it 40k. I don't understand this desire for 30k. Is it just so they can have chaos knights be the same model with a different paint job?

Limiting yourself to mirror matches basically is boring. No ork gargants? Tyranid bio titans? eldar phantoms? tau'nar supremacy armor?

But I think the major turn off for a lot of people is all the stuff on FW for specialist games. Want special characters for BB? DIfferent weapons for Necromunda? Knights, Weapons, Terrain for Titanicus? Forgeworld or tough sh*t bro. And now that they've done the whole 30-50% price increase nobody wants to touch it. The reliance on FW and the price increase basically shoots itself in the foot. I don't know what they were thinking.

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I was initially angry that the price wasn't lower, as GW has been slinging out some hot deals of late. But the longer I tried to resist, tte more I realized that not picking up the GME, a pretty great starter for a game which I was bound to get into sooner or later, was making a chump out of me.

   
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 Don Savik wrote:
I don't care when the 1985 version took place, they should've made it 40k. I don't understand this desire for 30k. Is it just so they can have chaos knights be the same model with a different paint job?

Limiting yourself to mirror matches basically is boring. No ork gargants? Tyranid bio titans? eldar phantoms? tau'nar supremacy armor?

But I think the major turn off for a lot of people is all the stuff on FW for specialist games. Want special characters for BB? DIfferent weapons for Necromunda? Knights, Weapons, Terrain for Titanicus? Forgeworld or tough sh*t bro. And now that they've done the whole 30-50% price increase nobody wants to touch it. The reliance on FW and the price increase basically shoots itself in the foot. I don't know what they were thinking.


The original was like this from what I heard. They can always increase the years as they add books and reach into Epic.

See, GW is taking a baby step and investing potentially hundreds of thousands of dollars into a venture that might go bust. If it did then all they have are small knights, warlords, warhounds and reavers expended which they can either fix d a use for or leave alone.

If GW had jumped in support for a game as complex as a full 40k roster it would not go well. Too much too soon, not enough fast enough, the community would hate it.

The current method allows the build up and expanding capability of a brand new game. Game companies don't just pop out 6 factions of full rosters at once and hope for a balanced game. Especially when the cost of producing that many models would be insane. It would of had to be limited TO FW resin instead of plastic and then the game would never of had the size of release which old of doomed it.

The FW concern is a high one yes, that's one side I worry about but if they keep things in plastic we could see some pretty cool things
   
 
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