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So I’m nearly done rewatching all of Clone Wars, and again I’m absolutely blown away in terms of its quality and story telling.
As you might expect, it covers the Clone Wars themselves, sitting between Episodes II and III. And it does an excellent job of charting Anakin’s fall. Certainly better than the movies managed, which was a bit ‘BAD GUY SWITCH ENGAGE’.
But crucially, most of it is comprised of serialised stories, typically four episodes (so 80 or so minutes) long. Some feed into the next, others are a bit more stand alone. The majority are decent tales, and help to show us new areas of the Galaxy, from backwaters more barren than Tattooine, to Mandalore itself.
It fleshes out the Jedi, introduces enduring characters (Hondo Ohnaka is my favourite), and gives back story to ones such as Tarkin. It pretty much does everything the Prequels kind of forgot to with any feeling.
It’s also fed into Rogue One and Solo, to greater or lesser degrees. It gives the origin of Saw Gerrera, and motivation for his extremism. It explains why a certain someone shows up in the position they do in Solo (spoiler wary, apologies).
As a series, it’s less precisely focussed than Rebels, and understandably so. But that’s why I feel it has a lot to teach Disney for their anthology films. From settings worth revisiting, to how to develop otherwise background characters.
But what is it that you want to see transferred and built upon?
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I very much agree on what Disney could learn from TCW in terms of the spinoffs. I really enjoyed Solo(and am perpetually baffled by other people who also dislike TLJ because they've no time for "nyehehehehe, subversion!" guff in their escapist adventure movies, but refuse to see Solo which is firmly a no-nonsense escapist adventure movie), but I think I'd have enjoyed it even more if it had been a new character that didn't have to work within the confines of Han's history.
Also, the popularity of Clone-centric TCW episodes and Rogue One shows I think that there's an appetite for "war movie" content, it'd be cool to get more stuff in that style.
Mostly though I hope it demonstrates that fans of the other eras haven't gone away and still want content in the parts of the setting they like, though I suspect the return of TCW for a final season is more of a consolation prize while Disney push ahead with mostly Sequels stuff.
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Bran Dawri wrote: Might actually give Solo a spin then if it's a passable action flick. I've been a bit burned out with Wars since the bland TFA and plain stupid TLJ
You should. It's not a perfect film by any means, but Han's pretty good, Lando's fantastic, and even the annoying droid is worth dealing with because without spoiling it the end result for them is actually fething dark if you think about it. There's no rug-pulling "subversion" nonsense, just a cool heist plot and a bit of insight into why Han ends up the way he does by the point of ANH.
I'm really looking forward to the home release because the cinema I went to had garbage projection that made everything muddy and dark(further cementing my conviction that cinemas are gak and need to go away asap - the sooner they make all release dates concurrent the better, let cinemas stand or fall on the strength of the experience they offer, not by holding films hostage for months).
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"The language of modern British politics is meant to sound benign. But words do not mean what they seem to mean. 'Reform' actually means 'cut' or 'end'. 'Flexibility' really means 'exploit'. 'Prudence' really means 'don't invest'. And 'efficient'? That means whatever you want it to mean, usually 'cut'. All really mean 'keep wages low for the masses, taxes low for the rich, profits high for the corporations, and accept the decline in public services and amenities this will cause'." - Robin McAlpine from Common Weal
Yodhrin wrote: I really enjoyed Solo(and am perpetually baffled by other people who also dislike TLJ because they've no time for "nyehehehehe, subversion!" guff in their escapist adventure movies, but refuse to see Solo which is firmly a no-nonsense escapist adventure movie)
What is there to be baffled by? It's called "brand reputation". If a company gives you a gak product or service you're weary about paying them for more, even if its an entirely different product or service.
I thought Solo was better then it had any right to be, but it makes perfect sense for people to pass on it if they despised TLJ and aren't huge Star Wars fans to begin with.
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Solo is a fine film, the best adventure film I have seen for many years.
But I think the reason Clone Wars is returning is because TLJ damaged the brand and TPTB are scrambling to throw nostalgia coal on the fire. Young Han didn't work so they're reaching for another broadly acclaimed SW product for damage control.
I've literally just finished watching Solo for the first time, and it's absolutely cemented the suspicion I already held, that its underperformance was push back against TLJ and had no bearing on its own standing as a film.
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Loved it. I'm not going to pretend it was great cinema, but it was the most inherently "Star Warsy" of the new films I feel. The humor was the right pitch, all the practical effects in camera "just because," the little nods like a cantina scene, "I have a good feeling about this" etc. The set pieces were all at least solid, there were no real duff characters.
I enjoyed TFA, I liked Rogue One, but found it a bit flat and struggled to like any of the characters (except K2S0) and my opinion of TLJ has even softened on a repeat view (although I think that's more of a case of bracing yourself for the crap bits means you can enjoy the bits you like more.) But I'm declaring Solo the most fun film of the nuStar Wars era!
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We find comfort among those who agree with us - growth among those who don't. - Frank Howard Clark
The wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.
The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!” Professor Brian Cox
Azreal13 wrote: I've literally just finished watching Solo for the first time, and it's absolutely cemented the suspicion I already held, that its underperformance was push back against TLJ and had no bearing on its own standing as a film.
I think a big part of it was also that Solo was plagued by rumors of development/acting trouble almost from the start, shaking confidence which reaffirmed all the people with bad feelings from TLJ
Manchu wrote: Solo is a fine film, the best adventure film I have seen for many years.
But I think the reason Clone Wars is returning is because TLJ damaged the brand and TPTB are scrambling to throw nostalgia coal on the fire. Young Han didn't work so they're reaching for another broadly acclaimed SW product for damage control.
So Disney is wanting us to forget the lesson that Kylo was trying to teach us all in TLJ then?
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The Clone Wars is an example of Star Wars as written by its creator. Lucas' fingerprints are on every episode of the Clone Wars, and it shows:
Not everything is gold, but everything is different.
Compare that to Kennedy's Star Wars, which is incredibly safe (TFA hitting all of ANH's beats), takes no risks (two spin-off movies set in the OT era featuring events or characters already explored), and with TLJ, seeks to tear down everything that was great about SW. The single most interesting thing these new films is kill off every main character in Rogue One.
Clone Wars had some truly terrible moments (the poison tea arc being the series' absolute nadir), and spent its first 3 seasons completely unable to figure out if it wanted to be a kids show or an adult show, but in the end turned out to be a triumph of story telling and - against all odds - gave SW one of its best characters, Ahsoka Tano.
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It's been a while since I saw it, but the late arc featuring Barriss Offee (I think) essentially figuring out Palpatine's entirely plan but being dismissed as a traitor by the Republic and suspected of Dark Side corruption by the Jedi was one of my favourite bits of storytelling. I think ultimately it was those events that led Ahsoka to leave the Jedi.
I have no time for the prequels and my lack of interest in the era meant I never really read any of the EU of the time, but Clone Wars was solid enough.
“Good people are quick to help others in need, without hesitation or requiring proof the need is genuine. The wicked will believe they are fighting for good, but when others are in need they’ll be reluctant to help, withholding compassion until they see proof of that need. And yet Evil is quick to condemn, vilify and attack. For Evil, proof isn’t needed to bring harm, only hatred and a belief in the cause.”
The Clone Wars is by far the best block of storytelling in the entire SW universe. It's easily my favorite stuff, although I would be willing to stop the clicker if Rogue One appears. I live for moments like this:
That clip exemplifies the cringier elements of CW and the EU generally. Nice set up for a Vader moment, however, although a little cold-blooded-ier would have been nice.
Manchu wrote: Seems like Disney wanted to undermine Kylo's point even before the movie he made it in had even ended!
Isn't that the point though? The First Order at large seem to be extremely angry young people desperately trying to reclaim some past glory they don't really remember and really never existed. Snoke is a cynic who manipulates them to his ends but ultimately seems to have beliefs built on the same foundation as the Jedi and Sith about the ascendency of balance in the Force and so on. Kylo, in turn, is a nihilist who believes none of these things have value, and should in fact be destroyed, but he, in turn, may actually just be following what he thinks Darth Vader would want: to destroy the Jedi, the Sith, the Republic, and the Empire.
They're all trapped in a twisted nostalgia trip.
Actually it's Luke's ark that plays the message straight: he couldn't stamp out fascism, world hunger, or unite everyone in universal brotherhood, flower power, and free love after all, but he could pass on what he knows, trust in the next generation to carry on the good fight, and die with dignity. Just like Obi-Wan did, all those years ago.
My favorite Anakin moment is still in the other Clone Wars series where the yeti thing bashes his prosthetic arm off and he panics and defends himself by choking the beast with the hand that's not there.
Manchu wrote: That clip exemplifies the cringier elements of CW and the EU generally. Nice set up for a Vader moment, however, although a little cold-blooded-ier would have been nice.
LunarSol wrote: My favorite Anakin moment is still in the other Clone Wars series where the yeti thing bashes his prosthetic arm off and he panics and defends himself by choking the beast with the hand that's not there.
How about that time he charms the pants off that slaver queen over the course of one whispered conversation?
CW Anakin was everything AotC Annie needed to be and wasn't.
LunarSol wrote: My favorite Anakin moment is still in the other Clone Wars series where the yeti thing bashes his prosthetic arm off and he panics and defends himself by choking the beast with the hand that's not there.
How about that time he charms the pants off that slaver queen over the course of one whispered conversation?
CW Anakin was everything AotC Annie needed to be and wasn't.
Pretty much. I mean he never mentioned sand once to the cat lady! Who are you and what have you done to my Annie?
You know, that crime syndicate arc in Clone Wars, and how it’s feeds into Solo to some degree?
That’s what I want from at least some of the anthology films. Or even one of the two trilogies that are said to be coming.
Why?
Spoiler:
At the end of that arc, Maul is back in Palpatine’s hands. And by extension, at least some control over the criminal underworld.
Indeed, Palpatine isn’t at all worried that Maul might be uniting the underworld. Looking back on it with hindsight, there’s an undercurrent of excitement there.
That really deserves to be picked up on. Show us how Palpatine, the arch manipulator of all arch manipulators exploited that. Because he must have. Maul goes from leading Crimson Dawn to being a shattered wreck on Malacor, hellbent on taking his revenge.
What’s that story? And how did he survive, when he’s clearly acted up again? And given he last had the Darksphere, before Sabine found it on Dathomir, he must’ve returned there at some point - despite the Nightsisters having been all but wiped out during the Clone War. What happened there, and why surrender what is if nothing else, a very good weapon?
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