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2018/09/12 17:58:47
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
I'm just curious. It doesn't have to be competitive just be able to hold its own. Anyway have any ideas on some of the least expensive 2000 point armies to start out with?
SG
40K - T'au Empire
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2018/09/12 18:00:47
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Knights & Custodes is a good read by Sol, strong and more then likely the cheapest. You can also do Renegade Knights... so don't think your limited to IoM stuff. Renegade Knights with Death Guard is a decent reflection... weaker, a bit edgy but better theme-a-tics(Plague Drones / Crawlers etc.)But more then likely its a combo of the two big Knights(Castellan / Valiant) with a smaller supporting army.
2018/09/12 19:26:34
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
With the game in flux over the CP changes, I'd say you can't go wrong looking at a Primaris force from Dark Imperium, and Conquest.
If you can cheap and easy get the basic blocks, 2 HQ, 3 troops, Intercessors, a good support model in the banner waver, and a first rate Heavy Support choice for dirt cheap makes it a hard bargain to pass up.
Add in that you can use them so many ways, Wolves, BA, Ultras, Fists, Ravens, homebrew, Deathwatch... Its a lot of options that its hard to go wrong with.
2018/09/12 19:46:35
Subject: Re:What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
My Smash Bros list has a couple expensive models, but otherwise doesn't cost much, and it can win tournaments:
Death Guard Battalion 1x Typhus (this was here because I haven't changed the list up, and is the prime candidate for making the list better)
1x Sorcerer
1x 11-man Cultists w/Autoguns
1x 10-man Cultists w/Autoguns
1x 17-man Poxwalkers
Thousand Sons Supreme Command 1x Magnus the Red
1x Ahriman
1x Daemon Prince of Tzeentch
1x Sorcerer
It's very soupy, but the wide range of psychic powers and ability to spam smite by using non-Thousand Sons for the first smites, followed be T-Sons for the later smites (since they won't suffer the increased casting difficulty), gives this list a lot of staying power that it wouldn't seem to otherwise have. You use the Poxwalkers, Cultists, and Primarchs to absorb fire and make it very difficult to hit your characters while you get this going due to character targeting rules. If Poxwalkers aren't killed in one go, you can replenish their numbers by killing infantry, whether theirs, or your own Cultists. Meanwhile, have all the psykers buffing the Primarchs to make them "must deal with" targets. Use the Familiar stratagems to change up psychic powers as the game goes on as required. Enjoy!
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2018/09/12 20:24:32
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Ok so, when people say KNIGHTS and CUSTODES is the cheapest how do you mean? Custodes are literally like 60 bucks for 3-4 models and if you get Telemon (And you WANT Telemon) from forgeworld he alone is 120 bucks. How do you combine custodes + knights to equal inexpensive?
I am genuinely intrigued and tried not to sound like an ass typing that out. And also are Jetbikes good? I either hear no they suck build the terminators or yes they rock get 6 of them?
2018/09/12 21:04:14
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Rahdok wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. I can buy some B.S. marines paint them red and gold and call them Custodes?....I both hate and like you.
I'd recommend GK sets, but yeah. A Marine is a Marine. The defining characteristic of Custodes is being gold, and Marines look close enough and are the right size, so just paint them gold.
Rahdok wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. I can buy some B.S. marines paint them red and gold and call them Custodes?....I both hate and like you.
I'd recommend GK sets, but yeah. A Marine is a Marine. The defining characteristic of Custodes is being gold, and Marines look close enough and are the right size, so just paint them gold.
I'd be careful about this. Custodes are actually not marines at all, either in the fluff or in the rules.
This is going to be seen as a proxy at best, and basically tokens at worst.
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ServiceGames wrote: I'm just curious. It doesn't have to be competitive just be able to hold its own. Anyway have any ideas on some of the least expensive 2000 point armies to start out with?
SG
I'd look hard at Eldar. Waveserpents, fliers, and guardians are all good and cheap money wise.
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2018/09/12 21:40:20
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Rahdok wrote: WAIT WAIT WAIT WAIT. I can buy some B.S. marines paint them red and gold and call them Custodes?....I both hate and like you.
I'd recommend GK sets, but yeah. A Marine is a Marine. The defining characteristic of Custodes is being gold, and Marines look close enough and are the right size, so just paint them gold.
I'd be careful about this. Custodes are actually not marines at all, either in the fluff or in the rules.
This is going to be seen as a proxy at best, and basically tokens at worst.
Exactly.
You COULD just play using empty bases with CUSTODES written on them. Doesn't mean you should.
Generally people only like playing vs this sort of stuff if its really well done, not just similar looking models with a similar paint scheme slapped on.
2018/09/12 21:50:42
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Putting effort into converting a model is always assumed from me.
All I am saying is that it would take minimal effort to get GK models, paint them gold and red and for them to NOT look like Custodes. You can even glue their storm bolter to their Halberds to create the same weapon
As GK models are roughly half the cost of Custodes, yet the in-game points cost is higher, Bam! Cheap army
I don't think anyone could seriously look me in the eye and say that wouldn't work. They're Citadel models. The Imperial super humans in future armour. They have guns on their spears. They're Custodes.
Rahdok wrote: Ok so, when people say KNIGHTS and CUSTODES is the cheapest how do you mean? Custodes are literally like 60 bucks for 3-4 models and if you get Telemon (And you WANT Telemon) from forgeworld he alone is 120 bucks. How do you combine custodes + knights to equal inexpensive?
I am genuinely intrigued and tried not to sound like an ass typing that out. And also are Jetbikes good? I either hear no they suck build the terminators or yes they rock get 6 of them?
Two boxes of the 5 man Custodes unit gets you 3 troops and an elite. Add 3 captains on bikes as HQs and you've got nearly a 1200 point battalion for $180 MSRP.
Two Renegades boxes will basically make you an army for $400.
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2018/09/12 22:00:26
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Huh, how good would a Knight be in a custodes army them? I'm literally starting custodes as my FIRST EVER W40k army. Mainly because small number of units/semi easy paint job that if I take my time with will look AMAZING. If I can add a 2 foot tall golden fething robot to that list.....i will.
2018/09/12 22:05:29
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Purchase a couple DI or Dark Vengeance kits and create a custom paint scheme with silver shouldpads. Run them as Deathwatch for now and swap to a marine chapter of your choice as FAQs roll in. It's a good faction with a ton of flexibility and can dance around a lot of meta shifts.
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I will say Ad Mech - as long as you abuse the start collecting box and avoid the chickens.
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2018/09/12 22:11:16
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Dakka does have White Knights and is also rather infamous for it's Black Knights. A new edition brings out the passionate and not all of them are good at expressing themselves in written form. There have been plenty of hysterical responses from both sides so far. So we descend into pointless bickering with neither side listening to each other. So posting here becomes more masturbation than conversation.
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2018/09/12 22:13:42
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Galef wrote: Putting effort into converting a model is always assumed from me.
All I am saying is that it would take minimal effort to get GK models, paint them gold and red and for them to NOT look like Custodes. You can even glue their storm bolter to their Halberds to create the same weapon
As GK models are roughly half the cost of Custodes, yet the in-game points cost is higher, Bam! Cheap army
I don't think anyone could seriously look me in the eye and say that wouldn't work. They're Citadel models. The Imperial super humans in future armour. They have guns on their spears. They're Custodes.
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Yeah but as a starting army?
When you first started building miniatures do you think your level of ability would have allowed you to convert an entire army like this to a reasonable standard? Definitely not me...
Its not a terrible idea, just bad advice in this context.
2018/09/12 22:29:44
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Rahdok wrote: Huh, how good would a Knight be in a custodes army them? I'm literally starting custodes as my FIRST EVER W40k army. Mainly because small number of units/semi easy paint job that if I take my time with will look AMAZING. If I can add a 2 foot tall golden fething robot to that list.....i will.
Knights and Custodes are pretty big points users so you'll struggle to field a army large eneugh with the two together, you CAN do it but you might sturggle with board control.
Let's look at points for a moment.. A Knight Warden costs ~400 points,
A patrol detachment of A captain, 3 guard and a Banner Carrier is another ~400 points. and you've only got 6 models on the battlefield at over 800 points. not saying "don't do this" but be aware that you're going to have a pretty small army size wise and that can sometimes make things difficult.
You might, if you like Knights want to consider running a pure Imperial Knight army, that or if you want a "big stompy robot in gold" consider a contemptor dreadnought, kinda small in comparison but it's part of the custodes army list.
ohh regarding custodes paint jobs, they are easy to do something simple with, but you'll have so few minis I'd reccomend really going all out on each one. when I started my Custodes I found Duncan's video was a useful font of info
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2018/09/12 23:33:31
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Renegade Armigers
. Renegade Armiger: Meltagun, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Armigers
. Renegade Armiger: Meltagun, Two armiger autocannons
Renegade Knight: Meltagun, Stormspear Rocket Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Renegade Knight: Meltagun, Stormspear Rocket Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
Renegade Knight: Meltagun, Stormspear Rocket Pod
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
. Avenger gatling cannon and heavy flamer: Avenger gatling cannon, Heavy flamer
About $70 per big Knight on eBay from Renegade. $75 for a box of little Knights. No need for a codex purchase. Just need to find the spare Gatling Cannons.
$285 (pay tax only on the $75 box).
It's definitely not the super best but I bet it wins games.
2018/09/12 23:39:32
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
Rahdok wrote: Huh, how good would a Knight be in a custodes army them? I'm literally starting custodes as my FIRST EVER W40k army. Mainly because small number of units/semi easy paint job that if I take my time with will look AMAZING. If I can add a 2 foot tall golden fething robot to that list.....i will.
Knights and Custodes are pretty big points users so you'll struggle to field a army large eneugh with the two together, you CAN do it but you might sturggle with board control.
Let's look at points for a moment.. A Knight Warden costs ~400 points,
A patrol detachment of A captain, 3 guard and a Banner Carrier is another ~400 points. and you've only got 6 models on the battlefield at over 800 points. not saying "don't do this" but be aware that you're going to have a pretty small army size wise and that can sometimes make things difficult.
You might, if you like Knights want to consider running a pure Imperial Knight army, that or if you want a "big stompy robot in gold" consider a contemptor dreadnought, kinda small in comparison but it's part of the custodes army list.
ohh regarding custodes paint jobs, they are easy to do something simple with, but you'll have so few minis I'd reccomend really going all out on each one. when I started my Custodes I found Duncan's video was a useful font of info
Lol look up Telemon Heavy Dreadnought from Forgeworld - pricey, but he can bring down a titan on a good roll. I just wish he was bigger :( lol. I'm REALLY going for flashy value. Golden Banana boys + few units, if I win a game, they'll know who beat em lol.
2018/09/13 00:22:15
Subject: What is the least expensive army to build a decent (win some, lose some) 2000 point out of?
ServiceGames wrote: I'm just curious. It doesn't have to be competitive just be able to hold its own. Anyway have any ideas on some of the least expensive 2000 point armies to start out with?
SG
Any army that has low model count but expensive points-wise models.
Custodes
Harlequins
Imperial Knights
Death Guard
Thousand Sons
Death Watch
Of all of these, Death Guard is probably the most fault tolerant, while Harlequins is the least fault tolerant. Imperial Knights struggle to capture objectives and can be un-fun for opponents that aren't prepared for 3-4 huge war machines.