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Recently picked up the new First Strike box which contains 3 Intercessor space marines, 3 reiver space marines, 3 poxwalker death guard and 3 Death Guard tac squad.

And it hit me that Games Workshop has (actually for a while) really gone overboard on making Plague Marines (AND TYRANIDS) almost too disgusting.

Now, i KNOW this is just a game, and part of the "allure" of the Death Guard (apart from FRICKING DISGUSITINGLY RESILIENT!!!) is their bloated disgusting nature. But you get all ages playing this game....and some of the stuff shown is definitely rated Mature...


Do you think GW goes too far on some of its Death Guard and Tyranid models as far as gore and digustingness goes? or do you think i'm just overthinking.

IMO the tyranids are fine but I don't like the look of the poxwalkers or the nurgle daemon prince. The poxwalkers I don't like because they're just too busy and have too many tiny pieces that get damaged in the box or cleaning the model. The nurgle daemon prince just looks terrible to me though. Not a fan of the aesthetic for that model. In general I think almost all the new models are too busy or have terrible poses. Especially when it comes to transporting them.

I wasn't referring to the fact they have tiny pieces that get damaged Ironbrand. I was referring to the fact some of them really need to come with a 15 certificate.

not really no, the guts etc are pretty cartoony truth be told. and 40k is constantly rated "ages 12 and up" any kid who can assmble the bloody models in the first place isn't going to have trouble with the death guard.

 Corennus wrote:
I wasn't referring to the fact they have tiny pieces that get damaged Ironbrand. I was referring to the fact some of them really need to come with a 15 certificate.

I was just saying that was why I didn't like the poxwalkers. The designs of the models are mostly fine and don't need any sort of age restriction because they're not realistic enough. Even the naked cat girl model from the chaos familiars is basically fine. Though different people will have different ideas on what is fine. Like how in China you're not allowed to show skeletons or I think it's Korea where you can't show the soles of people's feet.

Tyranids I don't have a problem with at all, I think the range generally is fantastic.

The problem I have with Death Guard is that a lot of their design is very specific deformities or wounds. I think they look GOOD, don't get me wrong. The problem is needing to field multiples of the same sculpt. For most armies this isn't an issue. One space marine looks much like the next, Tyranids are bred a specific way, and so on. But when you've got a guy who's guts are spilling out a particular way, or has a particular pus filled growth on its head, I really don't like having another guy near him with the EXACT same thing going on. For these guys a head swap doesn't really cut it.

That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Ok so it's just me. that's fine.

Agree, DG don't look any more disgusting than your average cartoon horror monster.

Undead monsters with entrails hanging out have been getting ages 12 and up ratings for a long time.

 Stux wrote:
Tyranids I don't have a problem with at all, I think the range generally is fantastic.

The problem I have with Death Guard is that a lot of their design is very specific deformities or wounds. I think they look GOOD, don't get me wrong. The problem is needing to field multiples of the same sculpt. For most armies this isn't an issue. One space marine looks much like the next, Tyranids are bred a specific way, and so on. But when you've got a guy who's guts are spilling out a particular way, or has a particular pus filled growth on its head, I really don't like having another guy near him with the EXACT same thing going on. For these guys a head swap doesn't really cut it.

That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Green stuff might be able to help fix that... I don't think there's any good answer beyond that for nurgle in general sadly :(

 Stux wrote:
That's a prime reason I would never collect DG, this kind of thing bothers me too much! I appreciate that executing the aesthetic in any other way would be extremely difficult, so I don't necessarily begrudge the choice at all. It just isn't for me.

Currently there are 22 distinct plague marines (before conversions), that's sufficient for most armies

Eh the early days were just as bad. Epic 40K had a Nurgle tower that basically had skin faces grafted over the front, tyranids haven't really changed much in terms of disgusting save that their weapons are more fused to their bodies than they once were (early Tyranids were clearly holding weapons, current ones are very clearly fused to a lot of them or parts of their weapons).


Also painting style and the fact that they are models also tends to make it far less horrific than ones imagination can create. Nurgle models and their presentation is a million miles from something like The Thing that would cause nightmares (And even most of The Thing creatures and mutations wouldn't be that scary in model form - heck Warmachine has Incubus which are eyeless monsters exploding out of people).

Tyranids are not at all... wtf? They are just as bugs/insects are.

And being a Chaotic god that is based on Plague, Pestilence, Disease, Decay, etc... OFC it should be gross, it wouldnt be the point of it lol.

You are for sure other thinking it.

Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Kids don't need wrapping in bubble wrap they need to have the freedom to discover their own limits.

If kids don't like nurgle models they won't buy them, this is a total non issue.

Although I am a big fan of resilient troops I am so apposed to the cancer propagating troops of nurgle that unless a tourney I will not play against in casual play (why do I want to look at spew and boogers? in my free time?). If has an army of snot and spew I say, "ye mate I don't want to throw up find some one else"

Spectral Ceramite wrote:
Although I am a big fan of resilient troops I am so apposed to the cancer propagating troops of nurgle that unless a tourney I will not play against in casual play (why do I want to look at spew and boogers? in my free time?). If has an army of snot and spew I say, "ye mate I don't want to throw up find some one else"

Oh this one goes on my "reasons dakkadakka members decline games" list. "Your army reminds me of spew and boogers" isn't on there yet

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Kids don't need wrapping in bubble wrap they need to have the freedom to discover their own limits.

If kids don't like nurgle models they won't buy them, this is a total non issue.

I dont think it is about the children at all, it is one thing to have a specific esthetic in a model range, and another thing to have plain ugly models. What is worse IMO GW is doing all that "detailed esthetic" stuff to cover for the fact that their sculptors are just plain bad. I was looking in to AoS models and spend some time watching their old and new models, and it looks like with time the quality of their models degressed more often then not. Plus they don't seem to sculpt female faces as if they were chavs after an all night euro tour.

 Grimtuff wrote:

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

I believe they were just referencing the PETA BS and not being serious.

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Dude, your profile lists you as 38. You're only 2-3 years out from the eldest of Millenials. Millenials aren't kids- the generation runs from approx 1982 to 1996.

 IronBrand wrote:

 Grimtuff wrote:

Glumy wrote:
Also Space Wolves are wearing furs which might indicate animal cruelty.

Lets not go overboard. If you think your kid shouldnt watch or play with something simply dont buy it.

Oh let's not go there again. PETA already did that to GW.

I believe they were just referencing the PETA BS and not being serious.

Well being polish myself, you never know. Half the nation is hell bend on destroying our booming fur industry right now, and like 9/10 people hate hunting, and what is more interesting it has less to do with animals being shot, and with who historicaly was allowed to own weapons and got hunter permits.

 Grimtuff wrote:

hobojebus wrote:
Oh won't someone think of the children!!!!

That thinking has lead to the millennial generation being overly sensitive and unable to function in the real world.

Dude, your profile lists you as 38. You're only 2-3 years out from the eldest of Millenials. Millenials aren't kids- the generation runs from approx 1982 to 1996.

You learn something new every day. I didn't know I'm a Millenial

33 by the way, my daughter stole one of my plague-burst crawlers because she thought my "buldozer" was more awesome than hers.

If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

They haven’t gone far enough. Warhammer as a setting is the darkest horror beyond imagining.

If anything Death guard are overly cartoony with all those nurglings covering everything. They look much better when you cut those off and don’t use some of the really bad mutations they come with. Chaos can look good, but you have to weed through all those terrible extra bits that they come with that make them look stupid.

The plastic daemon prince, new daemonettes, new horror models all have the same problem. They look way too cartoony to be scary in any capacity.

Tyrannids for the most part I think look really good as a range and look suitably ferocious.

I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bitch please, look what's going on on this Beastman's helmet... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Somewhat nsfw btw)

 Brutus_Apex wrote:
They haven’t gone far enough. Warhammer as a setting is the darkest horror beyond imagining.

If anything Death guard are overly cartoony with all those nurglings covering everything. They look much better when you cut those off and don’t use some of the really bad mutations they come with. Chaos can look good, but you have to weed through all those terrible extra bits that they come with that make them look stupid.

The plastic daemon prince, new daemonettes, new horror models all have the same problem. They look way too cartoony to be scary in any capacity.

Tyrannids for the most part I think look really good as a range and look suitably ferocious.

I want some exclusivity from my hobby. I don’t want them to market warhammer to everyone like they did with Star Wars. To do so betrays the very nature of the setting. It’s brutal, bloody and horrific, I don’t want some child friendly bull gak bringing in a flood of Timmy’s. they’ve already done enough in recent years to try to make the game more accessible to new players, but enough is enough.

To be fair from what I've seen the models have for the most part never been particularly brutal. It's mostly just been the lore that has been.


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 Grimtuff wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bitch please, look what's going on on this Beastman's helmet... ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) (Somewhat nsfw btw)

Spoiler:

If you think that's bad check out the chaos familiar models that they still sell on their website.

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

Bloodwrack Medusa still shows one of hers!
And the Fiend of Slaanesh has rows of them!

Spectral Ceramite wrote:

 vaklor4 wrote:
If you think Death Guard is bad, did you know Slaanesh models used to show BOOBIES?!

I actually have a rather large Slaneesh army cause though are provocative don't look like snot and boogers (the humanity).

I fail to see how any Death Guard models look like snot and boogers unless they were specifically painted to look that way. Care to link a model?

Gunna say Idk the appeal of snot, booger, mutation and degradation to the audience.... just turns me off... maybe you nurgle players have some weird fetish but ewwww