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2018/09/21 13:18:57
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Basically as per the title.
Do most people base them or not?
They will stand up perfectly fine without, although I'm not 100% sure rules wise whether they are supposed to have a base.
Cheers.
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2018/09/21 13:22:52
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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All models have a base and its to the base which most things are measured and based off. So yes it should have a base.
A Space Marine Dreadnought should be on a 60mm base.
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2018/09/21 13:25:35
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Moustache-twirling Princeps
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If a model has a base, it should be used.
But, with the vehicle/base issue some people have, it gets murky.
But yeah, SM Dreads (and most others) should have a 60mm round base.
Some versions don't give you a choice, and the feet are part of the base.
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2018/09/21 14:18:43
Subject: Re:Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Huge Bone Giant
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My first metal Dreadnoughts came without bases and they very much relied on the design standing up without help. Yet years of playing taught me that as cool as that might be, it's impractical. Someone grazes the model, it falls over. Someone bumps into the table, it falls over. Uneven ground is a hassle. The slightest incline and you're going to have to place the model on its belly or its back.
The rules shouldn't bother you too much. As seen above some people mind, but there are models in the game that don't use bases (vehicles, which a Dreadnought happens to be) and the rules have you covered if you decide to go without a base.
I for one was happy when GW introduced 60mm round bases and immediately put my baseless Dreadnoughts on them. It's a better experience in my opinion.
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2018/09/21 14:25:41
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They should have a base for measurement and gameplay purposes but I never build up or decorate dreadnought bases because it’s not worth the effort on a model that dies that fast.
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2018/09/22 06:41:14
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Fixture of Dakka
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BUDFORCE wrote:Basically as per the title.
Do most people base them or not?
They will stand up perfectly fine without, although I'm not 100% sure rules wise whether they are supposed to have a base.
Cheers.
Yes, besides the reasons other members have posted to do with the rules, basing your Dreadnaught will greatly reduce the chance of it falling over and possibly damaging your fine paint job.
Cheers,
CB
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2018/09/22 08:34:34
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Thanks all! I shall purchase some bases.
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2018/09/22 09:28:18
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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GW themselves still sell the 60mm bases. They're super cheap.
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2018/09/22 11:32:40
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Thane of Dol Guldur
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In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
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2018/09/23 10:36:50
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Grimtuff wrote:
GW themselves still sell the 60mm bases. They're super cheap.
Or better yet get MDF ones. Then it's even cheaper
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2018/09/23 12:29:25
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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£1 a base is not cheap? That has also got sculpted detail on it? Okay.
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2018/09/24 07:54:49
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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A true dreadnought base is a 50mm monster base (the square one)
But back on topic the new plastic dread really should be on a base, the feet could also get damaged when moving
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DV8 wrote:Blood Angels Furioso Dreadnought should also be double-fisted.
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2018/09/24 09:16:19
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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queen_annes_revenge wrote:In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
Agreed. If you want diorama models that's fine, but if you are using them as game pieces you should treat them as such and have a base on ever model. I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else should have a base, no exceptions. If Imperial Knights and Wraightknights can have a base, so too will everything from Soul Grinders to Dreadnoughts.
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2018/09/24 10:05:42
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Dipping With Wood Stain
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Deadshot wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
Agreed. If you want diorama models that's fine, but if you are using them as game pieces you should treat them as such and have a base on ever model. I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else should have a base, no exceptions. If Imperial Knights and Wraightknights can have a base, so too will everything from Soul Grinders to Dreadnoughts.
This is very true.
Bases offer no ambiguity to how far a aura or ability extends. Baseless models unfortunately are very easy to 'game' in this regard, especially for assaulting them. Many an argument I've had to resolve in our FLGS when someone's Triarch stalker or defiler was charged and they would ALWAYS try to make it a few inches longer.
For the interest of civility and just common sense, buy/make a base for odd shaped models, as it will save so much arse ache you wouldn't believe...
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2018/09/24 10:42:58
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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Deadshot wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
Agreed. If you want diorama models that's fine, but if you are using them as game pieces you should treat them as such and have a base on ever model. I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else should have a base, no exceptions. If Imperial Knights and Wraightknights can have a base, so too will everything from Soul Grinders to Dreadnoughts.
Rhino? Predator? Ork trukk? Ork battlewagon?
Like hell. Will result in weird base sizes with tons of empty space on sides making impractical in terrain(suddenly battlewagon can't drive along road when base bumps. And it's instant nerf for your vehicles for added fun.
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2018/09/24 10:55:02
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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tneva82 wrote: Deadshot wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
Agreed. If you want diorama models that's fine, but if you are using them as game pieces you should treat them as such and have a base on ever model. I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else should have a base, no exceptions. If Imperial Knights and Wraightknights can have a base, so too will everything from Soul Grinders to Dreadnoughts.
Rhino? Predator? Ork trukk? Ork battlewagon?
Like hell. Will result in weird base sizes with tons of empty space on sides making impractical in terrain(suddenly battlewagon can't drive along road when base bumps. And it's instant nerf for your vehicles for added fun.
Deadshot wrote:I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else
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2018/09/24 11:52:01
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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So that leaves out trukk(hardly large...) or rhino etc. If you give excuse to trukks and rhino's then specifying "larger tracked vehicles" is not neccessary as tracked vehicle is enough.
But anyway GW has already sorted out do you need to base or not. Check if model comes with base. If yes base, if not no need nor should you.
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2018/09/24 16:01:43
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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tneva82 wrote:So that leaves out trukk(hardly large...) or rhino etc. If you give excuse to trukks and rhino's then specifying "larger tracked vehicles" is not neccessary as tracked vehicle is enough.
But anyway GW has already sorted out do you need to base or not. Check if model comes with base. If yes base, if not no need nor should you.
You are nitpicking. A Rhino is a tracked vehicle and a both are larger models. An example I would take as a smaller vehicle would be the old Warbuggies, Land Speeders, Piranha. Obviously the last 2 are hover vehicles but the Warbuggy is a good example, at least in its older model, not sure about the new one.
Non-tracked models like Defilers should always have a base but do not come with it yet. If a Knight has a base, a Defiler can have one too.
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2018/09/24 17:39:36
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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tneva82 wrote: Deadshot wrote: queen_annes_revenge wrote:In this day and age everything should have a base. The old metal dreads never had bases but I feel plastic are much more likely to fall over. Plus from an aesthetic point of view a base looks much better.
Agreed. If you want diorama models that's fine, but if you are using them as game pieces you should treat them as such and have a base on ever model. I'll relent on larger tracked vehicles like Land Raiders or particularly odd ones like Drop Pods. But everything else should have a base, no exceptions. If Imperial Knights and Wraightknights can have a base, so too will everything from Soul Grinders to Dreadnoughts.
Rhino? Predator? Ork trukk? Ork battlewagon?
Like hell. Will result in weird base sizes with tons of empty space on sides making impractical in terrain(suddenly battlewagon can't drive along road when base bumps. And it's instant nerf for your vehicles for added fun.
Why? Is wobbly model syndrome not a thing any more?
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2018/09/24 18:13:42
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Bases on vehicles generally look like complete ass. That's reason enough not to do it. Walkers get bases because they generally need them on various terrain bits.
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2018/09/25 15:59:36
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
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I never thought about NOT basing them. Yeah the old metal ones didn't come with a base but it's entirely up to you how you want to build you models and enjoy the hobby/game.
60mm bases are large enough to have some good storytelling elements in there. Barbed wire, bullet casings, dead foes etc.
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2018/09/27 12:21:07
Subject: Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Grimtuff wrote:
£1 a base is not cheap? That has also got sculpted detail on it? Okay.
6 bases £1.20
Bag of bird cage sand £1
There you go. It has detail sculpted in now
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2018/09/27 13:15:06
Subject: Re:Do you guys generally base SM dreadnaughts?
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Ork-Hunting Inquisitorial Xenokiller
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Ye, I base all my models (vehicles etc included). It makes them all look uniform with the rest of the army and is way easier to move across mats (like mouse mat material ones if sliding) cause there is no jagged bits etc.
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Inregards to cheapness. It depends on your basing theme. For 40k, All my armies are larva. I have always bought GW bases (if need to) and with all my 40k armies I then bought cork board (like 1m x1m, is a mega tonne of bases worth) and pva glued it on in fragments. Then Chaos black, brush most eschen grey, dry brush dawn stone, Null oil the edges. In the recesses/gaps wet blend Evil sun to troll slayer to yriel to yriel with white scar all = instant awesome larva bases (is super quick in lots). An easier one is glue small gravel on base (eschen grey than dry brush dawn stone and add in some static grass).
My extra edit/bonus tip
I see a lot of people, when I rarely do pick ups, with either the models painted and the base not done or they have off spray on their bases etc. Models on mass look good if all the bases look uniform, not the opposite. If you have 10 awesome painted models out of 40 and all the bases are crap, the entire army looks crap. However, if you have all the bases looking good and only have basic painting on the models (no hightlights etc) they still looks ok.
I would suggest doing the bases first for an entire army and doing the models second.
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