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I think the thread title says it all.

So what does this mean for the future of the "Justice League" films and Zach Snyder's DC Universe?

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It feels like Warner Bros. is setting up a horse race between the status quo, represented by Aquaman, and going in a different direction, represented by Shazam. So we’ll see how things go at the derby.

   
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I thought that rumor had been debunked..?

   
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I can't say I blame Cavil, the DC movies have been pretty bad. I liked him as Superman too. Such a shame.
   
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I'd watch the hell out of that movie!
   
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What a disaster. Thought he made a great Superman. And I thought Afleck was a great Batman and Bruce Wayne.
   
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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought that rumor had been debunked..?


That's what i read, after I saw he was out.

It might be a case of "there's nothing now...but there's nothing to prevent him from coming back to the role either".

I don't think either party has officially confirmed or denied though.

A shame, as Cavill's Superman was certainly one of the best things about the Justice League movie, and yes, I enjoyed (most of) Man of Steel too.

Latest rumor?

He's in line to become the new Bond?!?

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 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I thought that rumor had been debunked..?


More or less, yes. Lots of stuff came after that original report, so the thread title is just a small portion of the story. It's all part of a contract negotiation.

WB expected it to be easy, but Cavill's rep is playing hardball. They want the job, but also want A-list pay, producer credits, director/script approval, etc. The studio likes Cavill, but think his agent is way overplaying their hand. None of his Superman movies lived up to their box office potential. Not really his fault, but he didn't 'Tom Cruise' the thing and bring the BO home either, and so they're unsure if he deserves that kind of pay and power. Some in the studio would probably be fine just moving on from Snyder's stuff and its toxicity and rebooting. Meanwhile, Cavill's been very active on social media about Superman for months...which now looks like a deliberate tactic to get the fans on his side. Smart.

The report the OP mentioned came from The Hollywood Reporter, which is often a mouthpiece for WB. So WB likely leaked that to fire a shot across their bow. Later that day, Cavill's agent tweeted that 'the cape is still in Henry's closet'. She doesn't want to lose him the job. The studio also made a lukewarm statement that day saying they like working with Henry, but didn't confirm anything re: Superman. TMZ said a few days later that it was all fake news...that there's no new Superman movie coming, so it's all irrelevant. Which...is true, but definitely a spin on the situation. WB owns TMZ, mind you. So both sides are still posturing.

The bad part for Superman fans is that it looked like a Man of Steel sequel was imminent. They were talking to directors earlier in the year. But the contract thing has the whole thing in limbo. WB's moving ahead with a Supergirl movie regardless of Cavill's situation. If he signs, great. If not, Kara Zor-El will carry the 'S' for a while until they reboot it.

See this guy's page or podcast for more info. He has great sources and usually has a good take on what's going on.

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/09/14/the-fanboy-breaking-down-a-week-of-superman-chaos-how-did-we-get-here-what-comes-next/

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Whether his fault or not. He was a crap Supes.

The character lacked charisma and screen presence. I mean, Supes is *the* archetype of a super hero.

Try and watch any of the modern Supes whilst listening to the John Williams music. The shoe just don’t fit!

   
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I actually really like Caville in the role. Having watched him enough in other things I don't blame my dislike of Man of Steel, Bats v Supes, or Justice League on him. He, and to a less extent Affleck, were the high points of those films. I think Caville fits the role like a glove but got hammered by crappy writing and crappier direction.

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Whether his fault or not. He was a crap Supes.

The character lacked charisma and screen presence. I mean, Supes is *the* archetype of a super hero.

Try and watch any of the modern Supes whilst listening to the John Williams music. The shoe just don’t fit!


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I actually really like Caville in the role. Having watched him enough in other things I don't blame my dislike of Man of Steel, Bats v Supes, or Justice League on him. He, and to a less extent Affleck, were the high points of those films. I think Caville fits the role like a glove but got hammered by crappy writing and crappier direction.


I can agree with this, for the most part!

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 Hulksmash wrote:
I actually really like Caville in the role. Having watched him enough in other things I don't blame my dislike of Man of Steel, Bats v Supes, or Justice League on him. He, and to a less extent Affleck, were the high points of those films. I think Caville fits the role like a glove but got hammered by crappy writing and crappier direction.


I think someone put it best in a different discussion I saw about this. Cavill is a "director's actor", in that he gives the director what the director wants. So the Superman we got wasn't really Cavill's Superman, it was the director's Superman.

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I really enjoyed Man of Steel, and even with all of their flaws I really liked BvS and Justice League too. Cavill makes a pretty good Superman IMO, so I hope he does stay on. Likewise, I like Ben Affleck as Batman. I thought I'd end up hating it when I first heard he was going to play Batman, but he absolutely nailed it! To me, the casting in the DC movies has been spot-on, although the writing has left much to be desired.

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There's a good chance Cavill will still be Superman going forward.

I think there's almost no chance Affleck continues as Batman.

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Good. Whether or not is was his fault, he's probably the most boring Superman I've seen. He has a grand total of two emotions, "I am Jesus" or "Pretending to be snarky." Maybe I'm spoiled by the animated Justice League supes that had, in my opinion, the best portrayal of him, but I just found his Superman so bland.

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Thats probably the issue with Superman in general. He is frankly the most boring superhero. He's invincible. He can fly. He has super strength. He has Xray vision. He can hear everything everyone on the whole damn planet is saying. He doesn't need to breath air. Older versions of him could literally make up new powers.

Superman is a bad character in general. Marty Stu personified. Bland because his very nature and the way he acts is bland. He has no reason to act dynamically in action because literally nothing, besides Kryptonite, can hurt him.

DC just in general has worse characters than the Marvel universe. Batman is about the only really interesting superhero they have, and only because he doesn't have any actual powers(if we don't count BatBelt Ex Machina)

DC really is stuck with Saturday Morning Kiddy show super heroes. One dimensional and bland.

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 Mysterio wrote:
There's a good chance Cavill will still be Superman going forward.

I think there's almost no chance Affleck continues as Batman.


Affleck is done. Apparently the new film will use a younger Batman and be more of a noir, detective story.

I dunno about Cavill. It's weird for a Hollywood contract negotiation to go so ugly in public. I think the agent may be playing it wrong. I like Cavill and want him to return, but I also think it's possible to make a great Superman film without him.

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Ahh thats a shame - I thought that both actors were great. Caville's Superman has been let down by directors etc throughout. Afflick also - at least he can do an interesting Bruce Wayne unlike Nolans version.

Justice League was great - up there with Avengers for me and my friends.

I don;t suppose that they are getting rid of Eisenberg so he doesn;t ruin any more films - that would be good news.




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Caville is pretty much what I picture Superman from the comics to be like, so I REALLY hope they can work something out.



As far as Batfleck? Good riddance. Maybe now they'll do the RIGHT thing and get Thomas Jane to play Batman.

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Maybe they could get Christian Bale to step in as Bats.

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Maybe they could get Christian Bale to step in as Bats.


Why would you even want this? Besides Bale disliking the character of Batman and having no respect for the source material he has been the WORST batman on film. Bales Batman is a fething idiot. Every bad guy in every movie had to explain the plot of the movie to him at the end because Bales "Worlds greatest detective" could never figure out wtf was going on.


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 privateer4hire wrote:
Maybe they could get Christian Bale to step in as Bats.


Why would you even want this? Besides Bale disliking the character of Batman and having no respect for the source material he has been the WORST batman on film. Bales Batman is a fething idiot. Every bad guy in every movie had to explain the plot of the movie to him at the end because Bales "Worlds greatest detective" could never figure out wtf was going on.


Agreed - he was very poor as Bruce Wayne and being able to do the batman voice is something pretty much everyone can do and often does in my experience

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I really like Henry Caville’s Superman. The problem with MoS, BvS and JL wasn’t his acting. Bad stories, bad writing, bad direction, gawdawful cinematography, and a desire to emulate the MCU without building a foundation first. But the actors did a good job with what they had.

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Older versions of him could literally make up new powers.


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I think it's too bad he's out. I thought he was a great Superman, even if the movies themselves were pretty lame.


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Well, good thing he isn’t gone yet, then. It may come to that. But not yet.

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The issue is DC have no idea how to use him. How long should he sit on stand by with the mustache fiasco that happened with the JL reshoots while not actually getting much or any work in the DC films?

So he has to shave his Geralt beard to do a Shazam cameo and then hold up production to grow a new one? F that. I would quit too.


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This may shock you, but often the facial hair (or hair in general) on actors isn't their own.


Yeah, but Cavills mustache in MI is his own.There was a whole thing about DC wanting him to shave for reshoots and offering to pay to CGI it back on for MI and the MI guys told DC to get fethed. So they had to CGI the facial hair off in JL which is SUPER obvious when you know to look for it.


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