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For those of us with larger collections it really is only a matter of time before something "outside" the faction makes it's way into our armies. Now, arguing about models from other lines or 3rd party manufacturers are enough of a sole crusher, but I've seen some rather eyeroll moments over the years:

1. "Are those loyalist marines just painted to look like Chaos Marines?" Yes, I know many people that have armies like this. Personally I don't see the problem. Loyalists turn sides all the time.

2. "Are those X chapter marines in Y Chapter colors?" I'm not talking WYSIWYG with weapons, just colors. Yes, some of those robed DA marines are painted as Black templars, get over it.

3. "That's technically not WYSIWYG". I got called out on this once. My GK terminators (6th edition I think) were resin FW Tartaros terminators with handheld storm bolters and Thunderhammers (not actual deamon hammers). Also I have a SW Rune Priest converted from a BA Sanguinary Guard (just used the body, legs, jump pack) that seems to cause confusion once in a while.

4. "Those are Fantasy Orcs." Yes, my slugga boys are Savage Orcs with Ork Boyz arms.



I've seen other eyerolly moments like these over the years, mostly from a couple certain TFG types. I know people like this exist, just wondering how widespread or frequently they pop up.

Now as for examples 1 and 2, if someone has generic "flavor of the month" marines that keep switching factions, I understand the complaint. If you paint a tactical marine as a Knight Lord, and he stays a Knight Lord permanently, that's something else.

Just tell them to sod off and chew them out for their donkey-cave behavior. People like that shouldn't be tolerated by a club or group as it's pretty blatant as unnecessarily aggressive and downright unsportsmanlike behavior. Anybody seeing a fully painted force of marines should simply be happy that they are painted instead of "ceramite grey".

Yes, many many years ago- because the kid was a dick who kept hopping month to month from whatever the FOTM SM army was with his half painted and assembled Marines.

Fight me IRL.

Yeah I’ve had a few people comment about my cadian guardsmen using the catachan doctrine. My response is why should I limit myself because of arbitrary choices made by GW? I’m not gonna rebuy and repaint a army’s worth of guardsmen just because GW decided to give x buff to y faction.

As long as it’s clear what is what (ie don’t run 1 cadian and 1 catachan detachment but all your minis are identically painted cadians) then your army can look however you want.

 Grimtuff wrote:
Yes, many many years ago- because the kid was a dick who kept hopping month to month from whatever the FOTM SM army was with his half painted and assembled Marines.

Fight me IRL.

That's why you always make your own Chapter.

Have had a couple of comments, though very noticeably into two broad types.

jokey at the start of a game from people whose own army is in a similar place

more snide later in a game from people who are losing

If It's happened to me I can't remember it. People ask me if I play White Scars because my paint scheme is white, but thats about it.

I recall an occasion where I was accused of modelling for advantage because I swapped the position of the Heavy Bolters and Multimeltas on my Land Raiders, which is fair enough. I offered to swap them, and he didn't take it up, so it couldn't have been much of an issue.

Just more examples of people who can't think for themselves IMO. "GW made these mini's to be Cadians, so you MUST use them that way!"
As someone who converts heavily (even to sculpting my own minis with bits for details) I run into this occasionally. At the last tournament at the FLGS I played a kid (I'm old, he was probably in high school) who said something about my roughriders not being the GW models...this came after 20 had run down his Knight. If you know anything about roughriders and GW you understand how insanely ridiculous it is to comment on roughrider models in general.

Edit: saw the previous post and smiled. I have also been accused of modeling for advantage because I cut my wraithlord's legs up and posed him kneeling like a sniper for my Ailiotoc army.

+1 on the Roughriders, only Attilan run horses in space wearing fluffy sombreros

I had a guy get argue at me because I was using my Carcharodons with the Raven Guard chapter tactics but i failed to specify to him that that they were "carcharodons using raven guard tactics" and not just Raven Guard so when I tried to apply Tyberos's savagery beyond reason rule to his squad, he argued that they counted as raven guard and not carcharodons, thus were not applicable for the aura.

I'll roll my eyes internally at example #1 sometimes, usually because it's being done to chase whatever the latest marine power book is and there was zero effort to make the army appear to look like a loyalist-turned-traitor force with no conversion effort applied at all (e.g. intact aquilae & imperial heraldry, etc), but that's about it. If there was clearly at least some thought put into it, I have no complaints.

Beyond that, I don't usually care as long as people are playing the rules correctly. Convert away.

My Marine Army is a 2e Legion of the Damned army. I just tell my opponent which rules I am using, and that every model is WYSIWYG. Have yet to have any push back in 20 years.

SJ

 Coolyo294 wrote:
I had a guy get argue at me because I was using my Carcharodons with the Raven Guard chapter tactics but i failed to specify to him that that they were "carcharodons using raven guard tactics" and not just Raven Guard so when I tried to apply Tyberos's savagery beyond reason rule to his squad, he argued that they counted as raven guard and not carcharodons, thus were not applicable for the aura.

See I’d agree with the other guy. You can run your carcharodons as raven guard and I won’t bat an eye, but if they are using raven guard rules then as far as the rules are concerned they are raven guard and any buffs that only affects carcharodons won’t apply.

I made a chaos army based around the idea that a demicompany's worth of blood angels had overindulged their arrogant artisanal nature and succumbed to chaos, specifically Slaanesh.

They retained some of their old heraldry, but the iconography was slowly warping to more closely represent chaos stars and so on.

I got various comments, including Blood Angels can't be chaos, that I was codex hopping for a power boost, and that Blood Angels can only fall to Khorne, not Slaanesh.

 Guardsmanwaffle wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
I had a guy get argue at me because I was using my Carcharodons with the Raven Guard chapter tactics but i failed to specify to him that that they were "carcharodons using raven guard tactics" and not just Raven Guard so when I tried to apply Tyberos's savagery beyond reason rule to his squad, he argued that they counted as raven guard and not carcharodons, thus were not applicable for the aura.

See I’d agree with the other guy. You can run your carcharodons as raven guard and I won’t bat an eye, but if they are using raven guard rules then as far as the rules are concerned they are raven guard and any buffs that only affects carcharodons won’t apply.

Charmanderchars get to choose which CT effect affects them I believe.

edwardmyst wrote:


Edit: saw the previous post and smiled. I have also been accused of modeling for advantage because I cut my wraithlord's legs up and posed him kneeling like a sniper for my Ailiotoc army.

Just measure what a standing wraithlord would be and if opponents are targeting, agree before hand if it can be seen if it was in stock pose. I am sure you would agree with this.

the_scotsman wrote:

 Guardsmanwaffle wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
I had a guy get argue at me because I was using my Carcharodons with the Raven Guard chapter tactics but i failed to specify to him that that they were "carcharodons using raven guard tactics" and not just Raven Guard so when I tried to apply Tyberos's savagery beyond reason rule to his squad, he argued that they counted as raven guard and not carcharodons, thus were not applicable for the aura.

See I’d agree with the other guy. You can run your carcharodons as raven guard and I won’t bat an eye, but if they are using raven guard rules then as far as the rules are concerned they are raven guard and any buffs that only affects carcharodons won’t apply.

Charmanderchars get to choose which CT effect affects them I believe.

That is correct, seeing as they don't have an official parent chapter. Raven Guard is all but confirmed, but it isn't outright said.

@Mirrors: I have a magnetised banner that sticks that high for tournaments, so yeah, good suggestion.
My home group still plays the older area terrain rules rather than LoS. LoS is a joke for a game in which the terrain is almost NEVER at the same scale of the miniatures. A forest should cover the entire table given that scale, and each tree be feet tall (8 foot space marine, and my mulberries are 10 times that...) and don't even talk hills...

My friend shared another of these he has run into. He has been told his early edition marines (remember the first plastic beaky guys?) aren't GW so he shouldn't use them...(As a note, still using those guys sums up my friends quirky personality, he runs them as his traitor legion...you know, left 10k years ago so have old gear...)

the_scotsman wrote:

 Guardsmanwaffle wrote:

 Coolyo294 wrote:
I had a guy get argue at me because I was using my Carcharodons with the Raven Guard chapter tactics but i failed to specify to him that that they were "carcharodons using raven guard tactics" and not just Raven Guard so when I tried to apply Tyberos's savagery beyond reason rule to his squad, he argued that they counted as raven guard and not carcharodons, thus were not applicable for the aura.

See I’d agree with the other guy. You can run your carcharodons as raven guard and I won’t bat an eye, but if they are using raven guard rules then as far as the rules are concerned they are raven guard and any buffs that only affects carcharodons won’t apply.

Charmanderchars get to choose which CT effect affects them I believe.

Ah, I assumed they had their own CT.

My marine army is cobbled together from 30 years of GW (and beyond) and tends to get all kinds of strange comments.

It’s a custom chapter of redeemed traitors (and replenished from former Cadians who’ve had an encounter with Chaos) first of all, and with the original paint scheme, folks assumed I was running CSM (nurgle) and would be surprised when they got ATSKNF.

Then, there’s my Assault marines - I bought them back in 2E; 50 non-GW minis for the cost of one GW Assault marine box. My local group threatened not to game with me over them because they were not GW minis.

And recently, I had someone think my custom chapter was Dark Angels, when they were not. Rather than try to explain, I just ran them as DA with Grey Knight allies.

My favorite is people who don't get think old models are actually GW models. It's up there with the "FW isn't a GW product" stuff I saw during 5th.

That said, I don't think I've ever used the whole "it's not the right thing" ever. I know I would if I was dealing with a stupid amount of proxying where every weapon is actually a different weapon ("my meltas are flamers, the heavy bolter is actually a lascannon, but only on my Tacticals, the flamers are all plasma guns and all the plasma guns are actually grav cannons"). I mean at that point just drop some money on updating your army to fill all the options you want to take instead of making me remember the complex mess that is your army.

Anyone who has an issue with your marines being the wrong shade of blue and thus can't be Ultramarines are people who you will in all likelihood, not have an enjoyable game against anyway.

Only time it could be reasonable to have an issue with it is you have 3 detachments, all painted the same but using different chapters - now that would be annoying.

Personally I'm absolutely in favor of some decent ribbing if someone is being lazy or cheap. Particularly if you're my friend, you're getting a load of gak for anything which is similar.

Same goes for unpainted stuff.

I've had that discussion concerning my RT era SM dreadnoughts & land speeders a few times.

Remember these classics?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=3hLQcXfp&id=E7A4B10F942AFF46B77FB220F4EB15D9ED801595&thid=OIP.3hLQcXfpaCptRD-mS5LXLAHaEz&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-7knLmWHNf58%2fVQhbW9nYpjI%2fAAAAAAAAB84%2fk82fPyYzluU%2fs1600%2fNaismith%252BDreads.jpg&exph=1038&expw=1600&q=rogue+trader+dreadnought&simid=608019903982600681&selectedIndex=24&ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1%2F2GW%2BjZ&id=20FA4437010416AADD997A70464166AF31250A23&thid=OIP.1_2GW-jZaiML-HnDnSjFMwHaFi&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fe4%2F7c%2F87%2Fe47c87eb162dfaa4039431e42bab7566.jpg&exph=550&expw=736&q=Rogue+Trader+Space+Marines&simid=608019255422877796&selectedindex=74&ajaxhist=0

ccs wrote:
I've had that discussion concerning my RT era SM dreadnoughts & land speeders a few times.

Remember these classics?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=3hLQcXfp&id=E7A4B10F942AFF46B77FB220F4EB15D9ED801595&thid=OIP.3hLQcXfpaCptRD-mS5LXLAHaEz&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-7knLmWHNf58%2fVQhbW9nYpjI%2fAAAAAAAAB84%2fk82fPyYzluU%2fs1600%2fNaismith%252BDreads.jpg&exph=1038&expw=1600&q=rogue+trader+dreadnought&simid=608019903982600681&selectedIndex=24&ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1%2F2GW%2BjZ&id=20FA4437010416AADD997A70464166AF31250A23&thid=OIP.1_2GW-jZaiML-HnDnSjFMwHaFi&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fe4%2F7c%2F87%2Fe47c87eb162dfaa4039431e42bab7566.jpg&exph=550&expw=736&q=Rogue+Trader+Space+Marines&simid=608019255422877796&selectedindex=74&ajaxhist=0

IDK what's worse, those models or that you used bing.

 IronBrand wrote:

ccs wrote:
I've had that discussion concerning my RT era SM dreadnoughts & land speeders a few times.

Remember these classics?
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=3hLQcXfp&id=E7A4B10F942AFF46B77FB220F4EB15D9ED801595&thid=OIP.3hLQcXfpaCptRD-mS5LXLAHaEz&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2f4.bp.blogspot.com%2f-7knLmWHNf58%2fVQhbW9nYpjI%2fAAAAAAAAB84%2fk82fPyYzluU%2fs1600%2fNaismith%252BDreads.jpg&exph=1038&expw=1600&q=rogue+trader+dreadnought&simid=608019903982600681&selectedIndex=24&ajaxhist=0

https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=1%2F2GW%2BjZ&id=20FA4437010416AADD997A70464166AF31250A23&thid=OIP.1_2GW-jZaiML-HnDnSjFMwHaFi&mediaurl=https%3A%2F%2Fs-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com%2F736x%2Fe4%2F7c%2F87%2Fe47c87eb162dfaa4039431e42bab7566.jpg&exph=550&expw=736&q=Rogue+Trader+Space+Marines&simid=608019255422877796&selectedindex=74&ajaxhist=0

IDK what's worse, those models or that you used bing.

Bing. Definitely Bing...

Mind you, now I want the FW version of that Land Speeder - I wonder if they'll get around to the IG version?

1, 2 and 4 definitely do seem more light-hearted than 3.

3 is the worst kind of bad-faith pedantry, I can't imagine spending even an hour in the company of someone so tedious.

It’s defiantly the younger generation that will quiz you on the models, if it’s in the codex then it’s true and up to date

I say if the slotta tab says GW 1993 then it’s as real as can be

I kind of want them to reissue those dreadnoughts.

I play RT era Orks, get the ‘not Ork’ thing at occasionally.

Tell them I’m playing the - right - Orks, just not necessarily at the right Time.