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https://www.tor.com/2018/10/02/wheel-of-time-picked-up-by-amazon-first-season-to-focus-on-moiraine/


Amazon has ordered Robert Jordan’s fantasy epic The Wheel of Time to series, with Sony Pictures TV to co-produce, and Rafe Judkins serving as showrunner.


The Hollywood Reporter has revealed that Amazon has ordered the series, and gave the following information about the story:

Set in a sprawling world where magic exists but can only be used by women, the story follows Moiraine, a member of the shadowy and influential all-female organization the Aes Sedai, as she embarks on a dangerous journey with five young men and women. Moiraine’s interest in these five lies in the fact that she believes one of them might be the reincarnation of an incredibly powerful individual who prophecies say will either save humanity or destroy it.

This suggests that the first season might be centered on Moiraine’s point of view, as a television series is less likely to switch perspectives per-episode in the way the novels do with each chapter. Judkins has been hard at work on the scripts and sharing his progress week by week. Sharon Tal Yguado, head of event series for Amazon Originals said, “We believe that Rafe’s personal connection to the material and soulful writing will resonate with the book’s passionate fans.”

Rafe Judkins will serve as executive producer in addition to showrunner, with Rick Selvage and Larry Mondragon of Red Eagle Entertainment, Ted Field and Mike Weber of Radar Pictures (Beirut, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle) and Darren Lemke (Shrek Forever After) also executive producing. Harriet McDougal is a consulting producer on the project.

Judkins added, “For so many people, including me, this book series has served as a world to escape to, to lose yourself in, to devour and inhabit completely. And I couldn’t be more honored to be the one finally bringing that world to life on screen, for old fans to lose themselves in all over again and new fans to discover for the very first time.”

Check THR for more news and check back on Tor.com for more WOT updates as the series progresses!




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Well, if they stay faithful to the source material it'll probably be me that dies before they make it to the end...

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Could be worse, you could be waiting for Thrones books...

Might be interesting but there one heck of a lot shows looking to fill the gap the end of Thrones will create

Personally my moneys on The Witcher, likely a Spartacus level of bewbs and wotnot

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Yeeesh, I never could make it through the WoT series. I'm not sure they'd make the best live action, but it could be decent, I suppose.

I'd prefer a Dresden Files series (that didn't suck), but ah well. Maybe someday!

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Agree. Everyone is looking to take that GoT spot. Witcher could certainly do it. Don't forget the GoT spinoffs we have coming.

But this is just gonna turn into a SJW show with lots of women sniffs and braid tugging.

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It's going to end up just like every other fantasy adaptation, butchered and destroyed.

That being said, WoT turned to crap after Book 4 anyway, so no big loss.
   
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I'd love to see a good adaptation of Fred Saberhagen's Swords stories (from the 1980s). Given that we're seeing all these fantasy shows get made, maybe it could even happen. Given the obscurity of the source material, probably not, but a man can dream, right?

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Saberhagen's Swords would be great. That's a very underrated series.

WoT strikes me as one of those properties that will be very hard to make. If they are too faithful to the source material, it's going to be very hard for casual viewers to follow and there is a huge problem with the pacing of the middle books.

They will have to deviate and make a bunch o' changes. Not sure how that will go down. It will probably end up like most fantasy TV shows.

Oh, and the Winter Dragon pilot from a few years ago was utter dreck. Like the worst thing ever committed to video tape.
   
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It's going to be very hard to do well and not bore the pants of people. It's hard to read without boring the pants of yourself in some places...

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Well that's...brave. I seem to recall Robert Jordan not being a huge fan of the idea of a screen adaptation...

I hope they do a excellent job.

   
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As much as I love the WoT series, I'm not sure it can be successfully adapted to the screen. The magic system is such an integral part of the books, how well can they translate that visually? Or will they simply find a way to handwave much of it away?

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Screen adaptation can go really well and can go terribly wrong, with the latter being more likely than the former.

Consider the Earthsea adaptations!

A lot depends on the studio and producers that pick up the series and their overall intention. One bonus in current times is that there is more of a push for going for a story based series rather than taking the IP and making it into a "monster of the week adventure" series.


Another aspect is budget. If you've got a big company with lots of resources, skill and talent then you've got more potential to keep things faithful, esp in something like a fantasy series where there's going to be monsters and spells and outlandishly huge buildings etc...


Then there is time, time constraints on both the production time and the episode length. Both can conspire to cripple something. We see it a lot in films where they try to squeeze one long book into a 2 hour or less window of time. Often requiring big cuts; rushing scenes; cutting out the chatting, leaps of faith and totally missing plot elements; and that's before one gets to changing the story focus!

Then there's royalties and payment. Witcher series is tangled up with those where the Author has refused royalties before now for the games and is now getting really annoyed that other groups are profiting in a major way off his IP without him getting big monies. Although its a complicated situation, more than one author has either been goaded into a bad contract or has agreed to terms that are not best in their favour through their own intention (eg oh it won't make much yeah I don't really want to bother with royalties or sales commission etc..) or they just don't hire a lawyer and get confused as to what it is that they are signing (in the worst cases an author can even sign away rights that end up going to death and never get produced, but which are tied to the studio and thus are stuck in limbo)

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As much as I love the WoT series, I'm not sure it can be successfully adapted to the screen. The magic system is such an integral part of the books, how well can they translate that visually? Or will they simply find a way to handwave much of it away?


The magic system will not be an issue with todays technology. Look at Harry Potter, GoT, all the Super Hero movies, etc....

They will probably cut a lot of the middle books. If they do 10 episode seasons on the good stuff and do what GoT did for Feast of Crows and make it like 4 episodes for the boring parts they might be ok. Easily hit 10 seasons if its successful.

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 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's going to end up just like every other fantasy adaptation, butchered and destroyed.

That being said, WoT turned to crap after Book 4 anyway, so no big loss.


I think I made it to book 5 before giving up. I had a friend tell me that one later book ended on the eve of some epic battle, and the book after that completely ignored it, and resolved the battle in the book after that. And that minor characters like the boat captain who gave them a ride in book 1 or 2 turn into these major characters later on, and it just drags on and on and on.

He did say that when the male aes sedai corps gets going, though, they're pretty badass, because they have no limitations on magic and can just nuke entire armies.

But I recall the first few books as being decent.

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I'd want to see a Lankhmar series. Its somewhat lighter tone would be a welcome deviation from today's "everything must be grittier than everything else" trend.


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Bran Dawri wrote:
I'd want to see a Lankhmar series. Its somewhat lighter tone would be a welcome deviation from today's "everything must be grittier than everything else" trend.

That would make for a great series. Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser are two of the greatest fantasy characters of all time, and the short story format of most of their adventures would translate well into a weekly series.

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I feel like this is going to be a poop show. But maybe I'm wrong. I don't think I could get past book 4 or 5 (bought the entire series in a single file so no idea really where I was at). They'll have to massively change stuff and streamline just to make it work. So much will come down to the writers adapting it. Low expectations on this one. Granted the Shannara series was actually better than the books so there is a chance.

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 Dynas wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:
As much as I love the WoT series, I'm not sure it can be successfully adapted to the screen. The magic system is such an integral part of the books, how well can they translate that visually? Or will they simply find a way to handwave much of it away?


The magic system will not be an issue with todays technology. Look at Harry Potter, GoT, all the Super Hero movies, etc....


It's not a matter of technology or special effects, it's a matter of how so much of what happens in the books is often affected by and even explicitly explained through the use of magic. Entire plot points often hinge on specific ways in which the magic was used. What can be explained quickly in text may not be so easily explained on screen. I mean, sure it can be done by having very obvious colors for each element in a weave, but how often will they have to stop and reeducate the audience each season on what the visual effects mean? How do they explain that normal people don't see the weaves, but we, the audience, can? I feel like the only way to make the WoT's magic work on screen is to, sadly, lose much of the magic that helped make the books magical and just make it handwaves and strange words.

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But what little magic is in WoT is handwavium and strange words. The audience isn't going to give a crap as long as it looks impressive.

And not one thing is explained quickly in those books. A simple overland trip where absolutely nothing happens takes 500 pages.

Something Jordan never figured out is a lot of stuff didn't require long, rambling explanations or justifications (or that there were ways to characterize women beyond 'snarky and domineering'). A video version needs that sort of thing even less.

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We'll find out soon enough eh.

So there's now a rumour going around that Amazon have passed on the true-to-the-books Conan series that was being developed. If the new management team that came in dropped that in order to greenlight this...that seems like a genuinely huge mistake to me.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
How do they explain that normal people don't see the weaves, but we, the audience, can?


By having them onscreen, but have non-magical characters not react to them. Easy enough to do, as they'd be added in post-production anyway.
   
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It's Sony Pictures, so high probability of it being gak.
   
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Lock Lamora Series could be good as well. Despite my reluctance I will probably still watch it unless it turns into too much Twlight tone like Shanara's MTV is.

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It's Sony Pictures, so high probability of it being gak.


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I just realised this is going to be a nightmare for casting. The vast majority of the characters in the book are canonically (for lack of a better word) "Fair skinned". Even the Aiel are canonically fair skinned, just sun darkened (Rand is often said to start looking more like an Aiel when, and I quote, his face has been "darkened" by the sun).

Call me a pessimist, but we're either going to see the usual outrage about "whitewashing" or they are going to randomly cast Halle Berry as Nynaeve.

Also, Rand's particular personality trope that gets dialled up to 12 and a half later on in the books is going to be considered explicitly toxic and bigoted.

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