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I play necrons so have loaded up on DDAs, (luckily magnetized them when I built ghost arks in 7th)

They are mounted on a small fly base but have the rule that they measure from the hull and not the base.

Could I simply svivel it in the movement phase to swing a part of it out from a corner to gain line of sight without technically moving it (or pivoting it)?

And of I pivot first (which I think technically isn't moving it), and then opt to move it, what is the starting position from which no part of the vehicle can move more than M of said unit?

torblind wrote:
And of I pivot first (which I think technically isn't moving it), and then opt to move it, what is the starting position from which no part of the vehicle can move more than M of said unit?

From page 177 of the main rulebook:

A model can be moved in any direction, to a distance, in inches, equal to or less than the Move characteristic on its datasheet. No part of the model’s base (or hull) can move further than this.

A model such as the Ghost Ark (long and narrow and measures from the hull) can't pivot without moving. Place one sideways and measure to the table edge then pivot the model 90° so that it's facing the table edge. You'll notice that the Ghost Ark is now closer to the table edge and has therefore moved.

 Ghaz wrote:

torblind wrote:
And of I pivot first (which I think technically isn't moving it), and then opt to move it, what is the starting position from which no part of the vehicle can move more than M of said unit?

From page 177 of the main rulebook:

A model can be moved in any direction, to a distance, in inches, equal to or less than the Move characteristic on its datasheet. No part of the model’s base (or hull) can move further than this.

A model such as the Ghost Ark (long and narrow and measures from the hull) can't pivot without moving. Place one sideways and measure to the table edge then pivot the model 90° so that it's facing the table edge. You'll notice that the Ghost Ark is now closer to the table edge and has therefore moved.

I see.. so pivoting a model is always moving, even if it's ever so slightly, (or not so slightly in the case of the ark)

If you’ve moved it, it’s moved.

torblind wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

torblind wrote:
And of I pivot first (which I think technically isn't moving it), and then opt to move it, what is the starting position from which no part of the vehicle can move more than M of said unit?

From page 177 of the main rulebook:

A model can be moved in any direction, to a distance, in inches, equal to or less than the Move characteristic on its datasheet. No part of the model’s base (or hull) can move further than this.

A model such as the Ghost Ark (long and narrow and measures from the hull) can't pivot without moving. Place one sideways and measure to the table edge then pivot the model 90° so that it's facing the table edge. You'll notice that the Ghost Ark is now closer to the table edge and has therefore moved.

I see.. so pivoting a model is always moving, even if it's ever so slightly, (or not so slightly in the case of the ark)

Previous editions of the rules had stuff in the rulebook allowing vehicles to pivot on the spot and not count as moving. Those statements no longer exist.

That change was probably deliberate, because of the number of rectangular box shaped vehicles that were pivoting on the spot to open or close ranges.

It is also no longer necessary to rotate to bring weapons into play, so no need to move for that reason.

 alextroy wrote:
It is also no longer necessary to rotate to bring weapons into play, so no need to move for that reason.

Unless he's pivoting to gain line of sight, which is entirely possible with a model like the Ghost Ark.

 Ghaz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It is also no longer necessary to rotate to bring weapons into play, so no need to move for that reason.

Unless he's pivoting to gain line of sight, which is entirely possible with a model like the Ghost Ark.

Yeah, that would be it. Also a couple of inches could mean the gauss weapons get within range or rapid fire range. But thanks for replies, eveeryone.

T.

Play Sautekh and then it doesn't matter if you move or not

 Ghaz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It is also no longer necessary to rotate to bring weapons into play, so no need to move for that reason.

Unless he's pivoting to gain line of sight, which is entirely possible with a model like the Ghost Ark.

And that would be moving to gain line of sight, right?

 alextroy wrote:

 Ghaz wrote:

 alextroy wrote:
It is also no longer necessary to rotate to bring weapons into play, so no need to move for that reason.

Unless he's pivoting to gain line of sight, which is entirely possible with a model like the Ghost Ark.

And that would be moving to gain line of sight, right?

Right. Pivoting isn't free movement in 8th edition.

Think of it this way: each corner of the model will move some distance as you pivot. The largest of these distances is the distance the model moved.

This also works to measure pivoting while moving. Some corners might not move at all, while others a great deal.