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2018/10/11 02:58:17
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Hard-Wired Sentinel Pilot
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Hey guys. Been a while since i've played if you can't tell. Was just wondering if there are still rules for using the griffon heavy mortar as they are not in the new codex. Has the unit just been abandoned?
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/10/11 02:59:25
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2018/10/11 03:01:52
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Rampaging Carnifex
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I think its last appearance was in Imperial Armour Volume 1 2nd edition. It's been gone from the main codex since the 6th edition book was released.
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2018/10/11 03:02:21
Subject: Re:What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It got shifted out of the codex in 6th back to an IA book. It probably is in the FW index, though I don't own that particular book so I can't be sure.
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2018/10/11 03:35:57
Subject: Re:What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Douglas Bader
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The model is OOP, the rules are in the FW 8th edition index but they are so terrible that you will never use them. It's best to just proxy it as one of the good artillery tanks.
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2018/10/11 03:36:20
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Junior Officer with Laspistol
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2018/10/11 03:38:44
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2018/10/11 04:01:48
Subject: Re:What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Hard-Wired Sentinel Pilot
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Thanks for the info guys. Probably proxy as a wyvern.
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2018/10/11 04:03:15
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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It is in the Imperial Armour Index - and yes you can just use it as a Wyvern if you wish.
PS: Took a glance..and it's rules are pretty crap. You're better off running it as something else. It's more or less a much more anemic Basilisk.
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2018/10/11 05:55:26
Subject: Re:What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
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I think it reappeared in the 5th ed guard codex. Never to be heard from again...
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2018/10/11 07:06:28
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Imperial Guard Landspeeder Pilot
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yeah, it was in the 2E and 3E guard codexes, disappeared from the 3.5E book, went to being an FW unit, reappeared in the 5E book, disappeared from the 6E book and went back to FW, and that's where it's remained.
#GWlogic. 
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2018/10/11 07:40:21
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Sub it as a basilisk. I certainly would not be bothered if an opponent were to do that.
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2018/10/11 10:04:59
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Locked in the Tower of Amareo
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BUDFORCE wrote:Sub it as a basilisk. I certainly would not be bothered if an opponent were to do that.
Or why not just run it as griffon heavy mortar rather than count-as'ing whatever?
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2018/10/11 10:15:55
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Douglas Bader
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tneva82 wrote:Or why not just run it as griffon heavy mortar rather than count-as'ing whatever?
Because the Griffon rules are unplayable trash, and losing because your units suck isn't fun?
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2018/10/11 11:04:53
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Fixture of Dakka
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 Peregrine wrote:tneva82 wrote:Or why not just run it as griffon heavy mortar rather than count-as'ing whatever?
Because the Griffon rules are unplayable trash, and losing because your units suck isn't fun?
What's the guns stats?
Just the gun. The rest is just a chimera hull, so I can guess on the rest.
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2018/10/11 12:52:23
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It's an earthshaker with less strength, AP, and range.
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2018/10/11 14:21:20
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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48" Heavy D6, Strength 6, -1, D3....roll twice for shots like a Basilisk, and ignore cover.
I didn't look up the cost, but if it's not dirt cheap that's a massive waste on a tank chassis.
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2018/10/11 14:27:28
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Under 80 pts with a hull hvy bolter.
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2018/10/11 15:38:49
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Well, I take it back..that's actually pretty damn good ...based solely on having an armour chassis to roll around in...I s'pose.
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2018/10/11 16:09:29
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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FW Index Imperial Armour: Forces Of The Astra Militarum has rules for this.
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2018/10/11 17:31:30
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Regular Dakkanaut
Washington State
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85 with a heavy bolter, after the Chapter Approved increase.
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2018/10/12 02:10:11
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Forgot to cross-reference.
thanks for the correction.
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2018/10/12 02:32:01
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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Don't worry, after CA 2018 it'll probably cost 100 points without the heavy bolter. 
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2018/10/12 03:12:25
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Maybe. They could go down because it doesn't get used much.
Oh wait... forge world.
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2018/10/12 03:14:32
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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 Mmmpi wrote:Maybe. They could go down because it doesn't get used much.
Oh wait... forge world.
Yup, the joke was GW's nerf bat beatdown of FW stuff in the CA last year (and I bet we'll see more of it this year too).
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2018/10/12 03:21:43
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Joking aside:
While I'm not going to say you're right, it wouldn't surprise me either.
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2018/10/12 03:28:11
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Pestilent Plague Marine with Blight Grenade
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 ClockworkZion wrote:Don't worry, after CA 2018 it'll probably cost 100 points without the heavy bolter.
The tinfoil hat wearers would suggest that with the currency price hike of FW globally, the point costs of these models will drop to encourage sales as per the GW evil master plan
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2018/10/12 03:30:00
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Well, the only way to get a Griffin right now is to convert a basilisk, so FW isn't getting much cash out of it either way.
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2018/10/12 04:20:18
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Mekboy Hammerin' Somethin'
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Mmmpi wrote:Well, the only way to get a Griffin right now is to convert a basilisk, so FW isn't getting much cash out of it either way.
You can also kitbash them out of the Heavy Mortar towed artillery that Forge World sells, but making them out of Basilisks would be a lot cheaper. Forge World wants a ton of money for their towed artillery for some reason.
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2018/10/12 14:45:33
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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 Elbows wrote:48" Heavy D6, Strength 6, -1, D3....roll twice for shots like a Basilisk, and ignore cover.
I didn't look up the cost, but if it's not dirt cheap that's a massive waste on a tank chassis.
I'm trying to decide if I'd put that in a Marine army for 85 points with the hull mounted Heavy Bolter. I think I would. Pretty sure I would.
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2018/10/12 14:47:33
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Archmagos Veneratus Extremis
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 Dakka Flakka Flame wrote: Mmmpi wrote:Well, the only way to get a Griffin right now is to convert a basilisk, so FW isn't getting much cash out of it either way.
You can also kitbash them out of the Heavy Mortar towed artillery that Forge World sells, but making them out of Basilisks would be a lot cheaper. Forge World wants a ton of money for their towed artillery for some reason.
Considering what FW costs these days towing an actual artillery piece to my games would be cheaper.
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2018/10/14 18:12:06
Subject: What happened to the griffon heavy mortar?
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Legendary Dogfighter
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Just slap a 1/35th heavy mortar in the back of a Chimera hull
Peregrine wrote:tneva82 wrote:Or why not just run it as griffon heavy mortar rather than count-as'ing whatever?
Because the Griffon rules are unplayable trash, and losing because your units suck isn't fun?
The moment you see Peregrine moan something is trash you know it's worth taking multiple of in reality.
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