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Haha, hey guys, this Time i'm asking your opinion about Dark Angels. I already have marines for 2 battle Company and half of the devastator Company. Anyway, i've been tempted about building a whole chapter since 7th edition Apocalypse. And stories about how primaris marines are part of the chapter has inspired Me again, to expand my collection. What is your opinion? Do you have a chapter of space marines? Most likely, the entire chapter rarely gets to Gaming table, but it could be So much fun..

You do know how big the chapter is don't you?



Yes it's Ultramarines but you can get an idea of the numbers. Have you also considered how much that would cost? (Hint: the above photo is from the Astartes Ultra set that GW sold for a short while, around £11,000)

No.

Two reasons.

1) Building an army like that doesn't serve a purpose other than collecting and occasionally showing it off on the internet. You'll never be able to use all of it in a game, or even 1/10th of it in a game. So unless you're assembling a huge room to be a display cabinet in your house...most of it'll sit in boxes after you take pictures for the internet and that's it. Money and time wasted. I've never supported building more models than you can field on a table (unless they're all different, which won't be the case in a Space Marine chapter)

2) 95% of people who start projects like this quit partway through and then you're stuck ebaying all the stuff you bought, the half-painted stuff, etc...and it all becomes a monumental net loss of money. If you want to test this theory...build one company. Just one. One fully supported company, and then, when it's done - reconsider your initial idea. Consider doing that another nine or ten times over. You won't.

This is a full Ultramarines chapter (without a ton of additional tanks and support guns they'd probably have). It's not 'rare' that it would ever hit a table...it would never hit a table.



Even when GW did this, they assigned a couple squads per retail store...

Heh, yeah I think its around 1000 marines, to be fluff-wise. Although, i'm not in a hurry.. at the moment, i'm spending roughly a 1000 euros per year, so why not focus on collecting something like this?

See point one, mainly. Because you could also collect and paint things you'll use?

In a normal game, say you use three to five Tactical Squads because you want to be fluffy. Then why have dozens and dozens of tactical squads on hand that'll just be sitting on a shelf? You'll never be fielding a hundred Rhinos in a game of 40K, regardless of scale. For the same money and time you could build 10-12 fully competent armies of a variety of races/types...or just a ton of marines that won't ever be put on a gaming table.

Dark Angels are hidding their true numbers afaik so it's kinda hard to say "I completed DA's chapter !" (and successors are taking commands from DAs, so it kinda is a Legion).
Anyway, I wouldn't because there are other armies I like too and I would rather spend time on them rather than taking care of minis I won't be able to do anything with but if you enjoy this more than starting another army (or another game or whatever), then why not.

Yeah, those are good points, thanks for the replies. Main concern, is exactly the gaming. Although, I dont see trouble at collecting such a formation, after all, most of my games I play, end up in losing. I've played in tournaments, but I find Apocalypse more fun.

Bad idea and you should never support the whole Primaris crap

One problem is 40k rules break up in big games so it's not even that much fun. More usefull would be several big armies rather than one 100,000 point army with tons of repetition

Well, I just like the epic scale of Apocalypse games. I recently played a game with 5 other people, each with 5k points army. Rules were not actually that broken, its about how people organize their armies. And you can actually build a formation tactically (I had 45 lascannons, 11 artillery thanks, and 2 LoW).

That sounds awesome!

Seems like a waste of time and money. I'd start other armies if i were you. There's so many more interesting models out there besides boring marines. Elbows nailed it with his reasons.

Unless you really, really like painting Dark Angels, you're going to get bored. I'm trying to do a Primaris company of Crimson Fists. I've done around half of the marines and one dreadnought. My mind has already wandered since I started and I'm now painting up Nurgle stuff. I'll no doubt get bored of that soon and paint some more Sisters or Guard. I know I'm particularly bad, but I just can't keep focused on the same task repetitively.

If you have to ask a bunch of random people what you should do, then it should always be a no. You already lack the passion and drive for such a ludicrous project.

Hey, cheers for the Crimson fists. Painting any army can be a big project, that takes time (and a lot of coffee ). I've been considering also ultramarines, blood Angels and other chapter, but mostly I like Dark Angels fluff. I have also started an Eldar army (for 2 times!), And ended up selling the models, because they dont seem to suit my play-style. Anyway, i'm glad to get all response.


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 Kelligula wrote:
If you have to ask a bunch of random people what you should do, then it should always be a no. You already lack the passion and drive for such a ludicrous project.

Hey, its not that I dont have motivation for my miniatures. I started this Poll because I was intrested about peoples opinion (i'm always intrested to anything thats related to Apocalypse ). And if someone already owns that many miniatures, i'm curious about their experience with them.

This would be an interesting project, if pursued seriously.

Don't pay retail for the models, except maybe newer releases. Buying them second hand would reduce the costs and possibly the labor (if you get some painted to a high enough standard.)

Do invest in an airbrush. Mass-painting models like that takes a lot of time. Since there's 1000+ of them, you want to focus on speed not detail. I've watched people bang out Dark Angels tactical squads in an afternoon this way, complete with decals and unit markings. It can be done 100 times over.

Do invest in nice 32 mm bases. Paint them separately from the models. This will keep you from having to rebase them at some point in the future.

Do Blood Angels pre primaris. You only have do 30? 3 Squads, all done!

 Spreelock wrote:
Hey, cheers for the Crimson fists. Painting any army can be a big project, that takes time (and a lot of coffee ). I've been considering also ultramarines, blood Angels and other chapter, but mostly I like Dark Angels fluff. I have also started an Eldar army (for 2 times!), And ended up selling the models, because they dont seem to suit my play-style. Anyway, i'm glad to get all response.


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 Kelligula wrote:
If you have to ask a bunch of random people what you should do, then it should always be a no. You already lack the passion and drive for such a ludicrous project.

Hey, its not that I dont have motivation for my miniatures. I started this Poll because I was intrested about peoples opinion (i'm always intrested to anything thats related to Apocalypse ). And if someone already owns that many miniatures, i'm curious about their experience with them.

That came off harsh. I just don't see the value in other people's opinions when it comes to what you should do.
If you are serious. Start small. Do a company's worth and see if you still have the stomach to do more.

Blah I'm contradicting myself now. If you have the drive and storage space. Do it. Disregard others. Just know that is a monumental task.

Absolutely not

Can you post pictures of your current 250 painted/based marines +30 support vehicles?

For me, when I started I wanted everything WYSIWYG but that's a pipe dream.

So basically I got 2 marines for each special excluding flamers, then 2 for the corresponding Sargent with combis then 4 of each heavy weapon. That's as far as tacticals go then my assault marines are a mess with naked bikes etc...

I don't think you need to decide to make the whole chapter or not, just operate on a scheme of only buying a sensible number of marines at a time, then build and paint them before buying more. If you're still enjoying the process, buy some more. If you're bored of it, move on to another project and you won't have 600 unbuilt marines on the shelf gathering dust.

 Spreelock wrote:
Well, I just like the epic scale of Apocalypse games. I recently played a game with 5 other people, each with 5k points army. Rules were not actually that broken, its about how people organize their armies. And you can actually build a formation tactically (I had 45 lascannons, 11 artillery thanks, and 2 LoW).

And 5k was how many marines? Not nearly chapter. How often you would field that 1000 marines?for that matter do you have opponents with sufficient points to face chapter?

Edit: for the record without accounting 1st and 10th company and having no bikes and land speeders and no support vehicles like dreads, predators and superlighp on character nor thunderhawks etc around 21k...

As a long term goal, I don't see why not. As a short term goal, maybe start with a complete company and then move onto the next one.

As much as I love space marines, even with all the kits and combos you can come up with your gonna start having repeat models eventually. It seems kinda pointless after a certain point and you'll never get 1000 marines in a game unless your planning to play an apoc game that will take days.

I’m going to say no, mostly because Primaris are a thing now and so all previous squat marines will be rendered obsolete in the next few years.

However, if you decide to go ahead with the project, my advice would be to purchase an airbrush, and break up the project into chunks. Purchase and paint one company at a time. It’s probably best if you intersperse the specialized companies in between the normal ones so you don’t suffer as much from painting the same guy 1000 times. Start with the 3rd and 4th. Then do the 1st company. Then go back to the 5th, 6th, then the second, then the 7th, then 10th, followed by the 8th and finally 9th.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
As a long term goal, I don't see why not. As a short term goal, maybe start with a complete company and then move onto the next one.

Check how much 100 rhino's alone costs Plus you would need quite a few thunderhawks as well...Who outside FW can afford chapter's worth of thunderhawks?-)

Even for apoc games marine chapter would be unwieldable. You are unlikely to be able to play that big game all that much. Not to mention not even fluffy option.

Before you commit need to ask: "Do I get to play with 100,000 points even once a year?" If not would make more sense to buy say company of 10 marine chapters at rather than full chapter of one marine. At least that way you would have variety of armies and very fluffy way field apoc armies(entire chapter rarely fights in one place anyway)

dhallnet wrote:
Dark Angels are hidding their true numbers afaik so it's kinda hard to say "I completed DA's chapter !" (and successors are taking commands from DAs, so it kinda is a Legion).
Anyway, I wouldn't because there are other armies I like too and I would rather spend time on them rather than taking care of minis I won't be able to do anything with but if you enjoy this more than starting another army (or another game or whatever), then why not.

no they're not. the dark angels legion building is more due to their massive amount of ties to their sucessors. this idea that the dark angels some how have a billionty marines is pure uninformed fan spank.

Back in 5th Ed., when I first moved to Canada and wasn't allowed to work, I sat down with the Codex and did a list for (nearly) the entire DA Chapter.

I included everything on the organisation chart, but only, IIRC, eight Thunderhawks. It came to 70k points.

I'm super on-board with getting carried away and silly, but what are you ever going to do with that many Spehss Mahreens?

You'd need a table around 210' long to play them in a battle, if you could find someone to play a month-long game with. You'd need a display case of around 200 square foot to show them off.

If either of those is feasible, get 'er done. If not, it seems like a lot of time, money and effort for little reward.

Build the Lamenters Chapter. You only have to build about 50 marines and you're done.

Your hobby - your money - your rules


I would say that many have not outright said no, but have cautioned you with regard to this idea. Burning out on the idea, getting bored, winding up with a huge collection that "goes nowhere" can be issues many people encounter. However in another thread someone is building a 40K Scale Imperator Titan so people do nuts stuff all the time in this hobby!

Humans also like collecting, we enjoy it as a species. You can see this in how nearly anything can become collectable. Building a huge Chapter is playing right into that core instinctive desire to collect more and more and more - however sometimes taking that to extremes can actually reduce the fun not increase it.





I would say if you play a lot of Apoc then instead of building a whole chapter, focus on building a few lists for Apoc games based on the points levels you play in those games. Use that as a basis to build a larger collection that you can actually take to a table and play with and use.

Or if you are really dead set on building a Chapter - pace it out. Build it up in specific stages so that you can achieve building each segment, rather than saying "Right lets get 500 marines and paint them all up at once". Segmenting it would help you keep a handle on the project (not moving onto the next segment till you finish the current - thus avoiding ending up with a house full of unbuilt stuff). It lets you keep a focus on your spending and collecting.
It also gives you a nice point to end on - if you get bored or don't want to continue or find that you end up disliking the idea of having hundreds of models that will never leave the shelf/box; then you can end on a segment and achieve that without feeling that you've failed.