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Hey all

So wondering if anyone knew if Chapter Approved 2018 would essentially be Chapter Approved 2017 + extra info?

I do not like the idea of carrying multiple Chapter Approved books around

I doubt it. Which will create an additional level of consternation.

Ideally GW would put up a PDF of points adjustments, even if it's just from old Chapter Approved books. You don't need to carry Chapter Approved around for any reason. Print out a sheet with the points changes which impact you (or just post-it not them into your codex).

But yes, it'll be interesting to see what they combine --- I don't expect to see any CA17 content in CA18. I would "like" to see the points change sheets included all points changes - perhaps have unit entries listed when they changed.

Be good also if they don't fill these books with useless rubbish about landraider blueprints etc

Yes god forbid GW put some background info in their yearly release.

The worst is all the fluff in the rule book and codexes

Seeing it's fluff rather than rules that carry gw...their bank account disagrees

"Useless information about Land Raider blueprints" may refer to the fact that they hyped up "here's the build-your-own-Land-Raider rules!" when Land Raiders are already nigh-unplayable, then gave us a rather transparent attempt to encourage players to buy two Land Raider kits, and swap the sponsons to make two expensive useless tanks that are illegal in Matched Play, thereby rendering the whole exercise significantly more pointless than if they'd tried to actually fix the Land Raider (with Steel Behemoth, BS2+, and useful guns, for instance, rather than keeping to the "take this 400pt super doom tank with the damage output of a single Predator that can be prevented from shooting by a single Guardsman running up and poking it with a bayonet!" design philosophy that appears to govern the current Land Raiders).

They need to produce streamlined books for players of the game. Not hardbacks duplicating fluff available in many other dedicated sources, and every rule book that has come before

The sort of people that like the fluff in the rulebooks are the same people that don't play the game

Mordian2016 wrote:
They need to produce streamlined books for players of the game. Not hardbacks duplicating fluff available in many other dedicated sources, and every rule book that has come before

The sort of people that like the fluff in the rulebooks are the same people that don't play the game

Thats not entirely true, when I go to get a new codex, I also expect to find some good stories from it. Books with only rules are dull, and we already have index books. I've been more actively playing 8th edition than 7th (mostly because 7th had too complex special rules).

Anyway, it was great idea to include open-play land Raider rules. Hopefully theres something similar in the new version.

Any rules changes that deviate from the core rules and any points updates post codex release should be included in the yearly chapter approved so that the most recent chapter approved becomes the definitive source for updated rules.

Mordian2016 wrote:
They need to produce streamlined books for players of the game. Not hardbacks duplicating fluff available in many other dedicated sources, and every rule book that has come before

The sort of people that like the fluff in the rulebooks are the same people that don't play the game

This is so untrue it's almost offensive. The main reason I got into 40k and still am invested and playing is the background. I don't care that I can read it some were else, a codex should have every aspect of an army. Rules, Models, Background, Paint schemes.

Also people like Mordian completely skip the fact that new players buy the game. Do you know how many times I read through my Eldar codex in 2nd edition when I was in high school? Answer: a lot. While it would be useful for a small portion of GW's gamers to have a streamlined "bare bones" rulebook, etc...they won't be producing that if it doesn't make money.

Plenty of people start new armies, or are new to the game and have little in the way of knowledge about the army they selected beyond aesthetics, etc. If a younger kid gets a Dark Imperium box as a present for Christmas or something they've got no clue what the hell 40K is...so they can read about it (in an easier and more streamlined fashion than digging around on a 40K Wikipedia site).

Chapter Approved should not just cater to competitive folks who are too "hardcore" for narrative or fluff elements in the game. And it's 2018...we don't need to lie and say we can't find a cell phone pic or a scan of the points changes. I'm tired of the "why should I have to buy a book for some points changes!". Do you really? I agree GW shouldn't charge for points changes in the Chapter Approved book, but I think we're being disingenuous if we insist that we all have to rush out and buy the book....we don't, and we're all well aware of that.

The origins of the phrase Chapter Approved were random articles from White Dwarf, almost never aimed at competitive or hardcore gaming, but rather inventive, narrative, and creative stuff --- often compiled into a "best of" book at the end of the year. Yes, Land Raiders suck and the design rules were pretty soft in the last book, but not everyone lives and dies by tournament meta.

Mordian2016 wrote:
Be good also if they don't fill these books with useless rubbish about landraider blueprints etc

You have no clue how much I had hoped these rules would make Land Raiders viable, but with it being narrative only...well, there's no hope they ever will be.

The game has 3 ways of play, so CA 2018 will contain content for all 3 of them.

Also, i wouldn't be surprised if the point changes from CA 2017 get repeated in CA 2018, apart from the stuff that got a dex in the meantime,

 AnomanderRake wrote:
"Useless information about Land Raider blueprints" may refer to the fact that they hyped up "here's the build-your-own-Land-Raider rules!" when Land Raiders are already nigh-unplayable, then gave us a rather transparent attempt to encourage players to buy two Land Raider kits, and swap the sponsons to make two expensive useless tanks that are illegal in Matched Play, thereby rendering the whole exercise significantly more pointless than if they'd tried to actually fix the Land Raider (with Steel Behemoth, BS2+, and useful guns, for instance, rather than keeping to the "take this 400pt super doom tank with the damage output of a single Predator that can be prevented from shooting by a single Guardsman running up and poking it with a bayonet!" design philosophy that appears to govern the current Land Raiders).

That sums it up perfectly.

Once every faction has a book, I imagine Chapter Approved will start to include more missions, campaigns, maybe sub faction detachments and rules for certain Iconic units like Ravenwing, World Eaters, Emperors Children etc.

Spoletta wrote:
The game has 3 ways of play, so CA 2018 will contain content for all 3 of them.

Also, i wouldn't be surprised if the point changes from CA 2017 get repeated in CA 2018, apart from the stuff that got a dex in the meantime,

I'd expect new points changes rather than just a reprint of old ones.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
"Useless information about Land Raider blueprints" may refer to the fact that they hyped up "here's the build-your-own-Land-Raider rules!" when Land Raiders are already nigh-unplayable, then gave us a rather transparent attempt to encourage players to buy two Land Raider kits, and swap the sponsons to make two expensive useless tanks that are illegal in Matched Play, thereby rendering the whole exercise significantly more pointless than if they'd tried to actually fix the Land Raider (with Steel Behemoth, BS2+, and useful guns, for instance, rather than keeping to the "take this 400pt super doom tank with the damage output of a single Predator that can be prevented from shooting by a single Guardsman running up and poking it with a bayonet!" design philosophy that appears to govern the current Land Raiders).

I like you. I like the suggestion of Steel Behemoth for Land Raiders. Make Land Raiders Great Again!

Many people are expecting far too much from Chapter Approved. Take the last publication as a template for the type of content you can expect: Some changes for Narrative and Matched Play, some new Beta rules, probably new rules for playing with custom Ork Vehicles for Narrative, and some points changes. I wouldn't expect to see big changes coming in Chapter Approved. Instead, smaller changes spread more widely (since it is supposed to entice everyone to buy), and some new missions to round it off.

Darsath wrote:
Many people are expecting far too much from Chapter Approved. Take the last publication as a template for the type of content you can expect: Some changes for Narrative and Matched Play, some new Beta rules, probably new rules for playing with custom Ork Vehicles for Narrative, and some points changes. I wouldn't expect to see big changes coming in Chapter Approved. Instead, smaller changes spread more widely (since it is supposed to entice everyone to buy), and some new missions to round it off.

We know Sisters are getting a beta codex release in the book too.

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Many people are expecting far too much from Chapter Approved. Take the last publication as a template for the type of content you can expect: Some changes for Narrative and Matched Play, some new Beta rules, probably new rules for playing with custom Ork Vehicles for Narrative, and some points changes. I wouldn't expect to see big changes coming in Chapter Approved. Instead, smaller changes spread more widely (since it is supposed to entice everyone to buy), and some new missions to round it off.

We know Sisters are getting a beta codex release in the book too.

More than likely, yeah. If anything, though, it showcases my point. The changes won't be big, they'll be smaller changes spread out over a wide area instead. People expect some sort of overhaul to occur in it, but it simply isn't realistic.

Darsath wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:

Darsath wrote:
Many people are expecting far too much from Chapter Approved. Take the last publication as a template for the type of content you can expect: Some changes for Narrative and Matched Play, some new Beta rules, probably new rules for playing with custom Ork Vehicles for Narrative, and some points changes. I wouldn't expect to see big changes coming in Chapter Approved. Instead, smaller changes spread more widely (since it is supposed to entice everyone to buy), and some new missions to round it off.

We know Sisters are getting a beta codex release in the book too.

More than likely, yeah. If anything, though, it showcases my point. The changes won't be big, they'll be smaller changes spread out over a wide area instead. People expect some sort of overhaul to occur in it, but it simply isn't realistic.

We could see more faction rules rolled out like they did previously, so it's not impossible to get some level of overhaul or tune up.

 AnomanderRake wrote:
"Useless information about Land Raider blueprints" may refer to the fact that they hyped up "here's the build-your-own-Land-Raider rules!" when Land Raiders are already nigh-unplayable, then gave us a rather transparent attempt to encourage players to buy two Land Raider kits, and swap the sponsons to make two expensive useless tanks that are illegal in Matched Play, thereby rendering the whole exercise significantly more pointless than if they'd tried to actually fix the Land Raider (with Steel Behemoth, BS2+, and useful guns, for instance, rather than keeping to the "take this 400pt super doom tank with the damage output of a single Predator that can be prevented from shooting by a single Guardsman running up and poking it with a bayonet!" design philosophy that appears to govern the current Land Raiders).

Well, it's nice for casual play (and don't buy 2 kits, just use parts from your bitbox for the extra guns or scratchbuild them) but yeah, I'd much rather have them make the LR much more modular for matched play (ability to upgrade to Steel Behemoth/ Venerable, more options for guns, etc. Basically so you can customize your Raider to be a Terminator taxi for 250 points all the way to a 450-500 point Venerable storm of Dakka that can't be locked in CC).

Didnt AoS put ALL the points (changed or not) in the Generals Handbook this year? I'd love to see that happen.

Although, it'd end up being quite a hefty amount of pages, considering most codexes have at least two pages worth of point values, between wargear and units.

If you don't like the CA book selling format don't buy it. I didn't and won't. It's not hard to find the point values you care about. I would not be surprised if they didn't include any of the content in the previous book because it would largely invalidate it. Why ever buy CA if it's going to be outdated in six months?

I'd go as far as to why wold you buy it period, but that's just me being a cheapo who would rather buy models I can own rather than rules I can learn for free.

The General's Handbook contains the points cost for all the units for players who want to play with points (so basically everyone) instead of how Chapter Approved functions where it contains points adjustments. I suspect that we'll see the points changes from last year's Chapter Approved in this year's aswell, with maybe some of those changes being tweaked again.

 Elbows wrote:
Also people like Mordian completely skip the fact that new players buy the game. Do you know how many times I read through my Eldar codex in 2nd edition when I was in high school? Answer: a lot. While it would be useful for a small portion of GW's gamers to have a streamlined "bare bones" rulebook, etc...they won't be producing that if it doesn't make money.

Plenty of people start new armies, or are new to the game and have little in the way of knowledge about the army they selected beyond aesthetics, etc. If a younger kid gets a Dark Imperium box as a present for Christmas or something they've got no clue what the hell 40K is...so they can read about it (in an easier and more streamlined fashion than digging around on a 40K Wikipedia site).

Chapter Approved should not just cater to competitive folks who are too "hardcore" for narrative or fluff elements in the game. And it's 2018...we don't need to lie and say we can't find a cell phone pic or a scan of the points changes. I'm tired of the "why should I have to buy a book for some points changes!". Do you really? I agree GW shouldn't charge for points changes in the Chapter Approved book, but I think we're being disingenuous if we insist that we all have to rush out and buy the book....we don't, and we're all well aware of that.

The origins of the phrase Chapter Approved were random articles from White Dwarf, almost never aimed at competitive or hardcore gaming, but rather inventive, narrative, and creative stuff --- often compiled into a "best of" book at the end of the year. Yes, Land Raiders suck and the design rules were pretty soft in the last book, but not everyone lives and dies by tournament meta.

CA is a rules publication. posting something else then rules or related stuff is waste of space. Each page spent on fluff, that can be easily put on their site, in their BL book , in a codex or in a WD, is a huge lose, because CA, unlike all those other things, come out one time per year. I really would rather have 2-3 pages dedicted to GW fixing the GK rules, then seeing a reprint of how GK got owned by demons again or how they swim around in a pool of SoB blood to get protection from the god of blood.

Incorrect. Chapter Approved, as mentioned, was originally a combination of White Dwarf based rules which included...fluff for those rules. Stop pretending you run GW and decide how they print things.

 Elbows wrote:
Incorrect. Chapter Approved, as mentioned, was originally a combination of White Dwarf based rules which included...fluff for those rules. Stop pretending you run GW and decide how they print things.

Not to mention many rules are based on fluff and usually present a little fluff as context.

 Elbows wrote:
Incorrect. Chapter Approved, as mentioned, was originally a combination of White Dwarf based rules which included...fluff for those rules. Stop pretending you run GW and decide how they print things.

there was one chapter approved in 2017, before that there was only the index. I looked for GK rules really hard, and am sure no rules for them were printed in a WD or any other book made by GW.
But even if this was the true. There is a ton of books coming out with fluff each year. The one book that is suppose to be about fixing rules and imbalances. Should be 110% concetrated on doing that, and not placing 5 sentance "stories" about what kind of baby wipes marines use to shine their armor.

I don't run GW and am not pretending I do. But puting fluff in to a glorified FAQ, when they have 8+books with fluff and all the BL is wasting pages. The CA, if GW weren't greedy, should be a free online document to begin with. They are making people pay them for stuff they messed up. And am sure some people had improvments in their 2017 CA change, but take a look at the GK part and how their lists looked like before it, or better yet how they were out of the index. GK were getting worse with each new rules "fix" they get. So no, maybe am greedy, but I don't think it is a good idea to waste pages on stuff they can put in to many other publications they have. How about they put stories in to the WD instead of it being nothing page after page of pictures. it looks nothing like a magazin, and more like a catalog right now.

Not to mention many rules are based on fluff and usually present a little fluff as context.

gk fluff<= most powerful psykers in the empire, with greater knowladge about spell casting then any other faction, save maybe for the inqusition.
baby smite, cheap IG psykers better then 200+pts GK behemoths at casting stuff. Fewer psychic powers to cast then other marines, when their fluff they know how to cast more and better then any other marine chapter.

Super high grade gear, better then any marines, better gene seed, specially created to combat huge threats and demons of any kind. to become a knight paladin, a GK has to combat and kill demons, naked without any weapons, just armed with his knowladge. Owned by an IG dude with a plasma gun. I could go on and on like that.

Fluff has gak to do with rules.