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Made in de
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Hallo,

me and my friend are new to Warhammer and had a Rule issue during our last match. I asked two experienced members in this Forum but got two different answers, thats why i opened this thread.


Scenario is like this: Two units are sitting with a 5,5" gap between them in front of a flying unit with a 5" Base, which declared a charge on a unit behind them.


The Question: Can it go through?


Since the Autumn FAQ he can´t ignore the units. Now the rules state:

" No models in the charging unit can move within 1" of an enemy unit that was not a target of its charge."

I was under the impression, he can´t get through, because he would have to move within 1" of those units while doing the charge. He thought he could, because this applys only to where the unit ends its charge, which I had to admitt you could think by the wording of it.

So I wasn´t sure either and tried to find a conclusive answer, but while there is tons of stuff on screening I couldn´t find someone mentioning it. But asking a user here, brought sth. else to my attention - the Falling Back rule

"If you choose to Fall Back, the unit must end its move more than 1" away from all enemy units."


Now here it explicitly states the end of the move, while in the Chargerules it doesn´t. So my conclusion is you can move within 1" while Falling Back, which is a question in the FAQ, to get to a legal position, but can´t do so in the Chargephase.


English isn´t my first language so apologies if it´s hard to read, i hope people can understand the issue and maybe somebody has link that explains it well, so i can show my friend.


   
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Can't get through as he'd have to move within 1" to do so. You have to measure through the whole move.

Best option in this case might have been to multi-charge both units. You'd take overwatch from both, but you'd get to fight who you want.

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Made in gb
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You have to move the charger from its current position to its destination and it cannot come within 1" of undeclared units at any point. You have to either declare the screening units as additional targets of the charge or have enough movement to go around.

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Made in ca
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If I'm understanding correctly, you're asking where the "can't move within 1 inch" rule is accurately defined, sometimes referred to as "pathing". Is that correct?

Admittedly, the rule is not accurately defined. Specifically, it doesn't tell you whether you pick up a model and place it back on the board within the distance measured, or whether you are trying to "push" the models through a distance. However, there are multiple mentions of being unable to move "through" certain things, or how parts of a model can't be moved in ways that those parts move further than the maximum move distance (see the second paragraph of page 177 under "Moving").

From this, we can infer that the rules and intended (RAI) are that models are pushed across the battlefield when able, and are picked up and placed back down when changing vertical height. Since a model cannot "move" within 1 inch of an enemy unit that it didn't charge during the charge phase, the act of pushing the model across this distance is what constitutes moving the model. Falling back provides an exception to this rule, saying that you can move the model within 1" of enemy units, but that it must END its move (it is no longer being pushed/placed) within 1 inch of enemy units.

Hope that clears this up!

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Made in gb
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You are correct. The wording of the charge rule means that the charging model isn't allowed to be within 1" of an enemy unit at any point of the charge move, unless you declare it as a target of the charge.

Similarly, you can't move within 1" of an enemy unit at any point of your move in the movement phase.

The fall back rule has to be worded differently and specify the end of the move as during the first part of this move you will always be within 1" of the unit you are falling back from.
   
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Thx, for the quick Replys.
   
Made in us
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I do believe he can pile in through the gap, though, after the charge.
   
 
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