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2018/10/18 21:35:32
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
My talk with ADB on Reddit shows him saying we can safely say the Emperor is not DAOT. So I do not know why people keep saying the Emperor might be DAOT tech. And I am not going to be hostile in this thread, I am just saying that the Emperor is "safely" not DAOT tech going by my talk with ADB on Reddit.
The reason why some people say the Emperor might be DAOT tech is because they are speculating, they may not have foundational basis for it in the fluff given that the Empy's origins are inherently shrouded in mystery, but that's part of the fun in discussing it on the background session, which this thread should also be in.
No offense, but you're really hung up on your perception of the Emperor (to the detriment of basically not discussing with others) and I don't think this is a good place to air your dirty laundry regarding how you can't seem to reconcile different viewpoints on him. The links you've provided are not definitive nor are they relevant to the Emperor's origins honestly. Why are you trying to justify your POV by making this thread?
2018/10/18 21:44:27
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Grimskul wrote: The reason why some people say the Emperor might be DAOT tech is because they are speculating, they may not have foundational basis for it in the fluff given that the Empy's origins are inherently shrouded in mystery, but that's part of the fun in discussing it on the background session, which this thread should also be in.
No offense, but you're really hung up on your perception of the Emperor (to the detriment of basically not discussing with others) and I don't think this is a good place to air your dirty laundry regarding how you can't seem to reconcile different viewpoints on him. The links you've provided are not definitive nor are they relevant to the Emperor's origins honestly. Why are you trying to justify your POV by making this thread?
I actually forgot about my talk with ADB. When I remembered it, I decieded to post it.
Grimskul, have a nice day.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And my talk with ADB safely confirms he is not DAOT tech.
The Emperor's shaman origin is from 1st Edition Rogue Trader.
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2018/10/18 22:06:15
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world.”
- Ephesians 6:12
2018/10/18 22:20:04
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
2018/10/18 22:30:04
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Grimskul, thats not true. The Emperor, as the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says, intervened many times during human history under many different guises. The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he saw no need to become the Emperor until the Age of Strife. Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind.
2018/10/18 22:47:37
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
I think this whole DAoT guff comes from an off hand comment in Master of Mankind between Valdor IIRC and a Terran lord who is knicking water.
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2018/10/18 22:52:18
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
I just debunked that. The book with the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader explains why he "did not intervene (which is bs since he technically DID intervene, just not as the Emperor)." The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he became various figures in times of trouble.
The same book says the Emperor saw no need to intervene as the Emperor until the Age of Strife.
He hears Him, the day they met, recognising a kindred being. ‘The likes of us,’ He says to Oll, ‘the likes of us will leave our print on things down the ages. That is why we were made the way we were. The courses of our lives will not go unmarked.’
‘Mine will,’ Oll assures Him. ‘I have no stomach for the games you want to play with the world. I just want an ordinary life.’
‘My dear friend, you’ll have as many of those as you want.’ It was summer, a meadow beyond the walls of Nineveh. He had never met another Perpetual before. He would never meet another like Him.
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
I just debunked that. The book with the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader explains why he "did not intervene (which is bs since he technically DID intervene, just not as the Emperor)." The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he became various types of figures in times of trouble.
The same book says the Emperor saw no need to intervene as the Emperor until the Age of Strife.
He hears Him, the day they met, recognising a kindred being. ‘The likes of us,’ He says to Oll, ‘the likes of us will leave our print on things down the ages. That is why we were made the way we were. The courses of our lives will not go unmarked.’
‘Mine will,’ Oll assures Him. ‘I have no stomach for the games you want to play with the world. I just want an ordinary life.’
‘My dear friend, you’ll have as many of those as you want.’ It was summer, a meadow beyond the walls of Nineveh. He had never met another Perpetual before. He would never meet another like Him.
I think you misread what I wrote. I don't support the idea of him being DAOT tech, I was saying that you're going really overboard in trying to say there's absolutely no possibility of it being true, when we largely don't know much about the Emperor's origins.
2018/10/18 22:56:26
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Excommunicatus wrote: Remember when Black Library authors said Dreadnoughts could ride in Land Raiders?
Good times.
Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind. Basically word of God. Are we to say there is a canon in 40k despite several sources and links from the authors showing there is no canon?
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
I just debunked that. The book with the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader explains why he "did not intervene (which is bs since he technically DID intervene, just not as the Emperor)." The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he became various types of figures in times of trouble.
The same book says the Emperor saw no need to intervene as the Emperor until the Age of Strife.
He hears Him, the day they met, recognising a kindred being. ‘The likes of us,’ He says to Oll, ‘the likes of us will leave our print on things down the ages. That is why we were made the way we were. The courses of our lives will not go unmarked.’
‘Mine will,’ Oll assures Him. ‘I have no stomach for the games you want to play with the world. I just want an ordinary life.’
‘My dear friend, you’ll have as many of those as you want.’ It was summer, a meadow beyond the walls of Nineveh. He had never met another Perpetual before. He would never meet another like Him.
I think you misread what I wrote. I don't support the idea of him being DAOT tech, I was saying that you're going really overboard in trying to say there's absolutely no possibility of it being true, when we largely don't know much about the Emperor's origins.
I'm not saying its completely impossible. But we can be reasonably sure he is not from the DAOT, since ADB said we can safely say that.
Besides, there is no canon 40k. So you are free to interpret the setting however you want.
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2018/10/18 23:03:06
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Excommunicatus wrote: Remember when Black Library authors said Dreadnoughts could ride in Land Raiders?
Good times.
Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind. Basically word of God. Are we to say there is a canon in 40k despite several sources and links from the authors showing there is no canon?
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
I just debunked that. The book with the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader explains why he "did not intervene (which is bs since he technically DID intervene, just not as the Emperor)." The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he became various types of figures in times of trouble.
The same book says the Emperor saw no need to intervene as the Emperor until the Age of Strife.
He hears Him, the day they met, recognising a kindred being. ‘The likes of us,’ He says to Oll, ‘the likes of us will leave our print on things down the ages. That is why we were made the way we were. The courses of our lives will not go unmarked.’
‘Mine will,’ Oll assures Him. ‘I have no stomach for the games you want to play with the world. I just want an ordinary life.’
‘My dear friend, you’ll have as many of those as you want.’ It was summer, a meadow beyond the walls of Nineveh. He had never met another Perpetual before. He would never meet another like Him.
I think you misread what I wrote. I don't support the idea of him being DAOT tech, I was saying that you're going really overboard in trying to say there's absolutely no possibility of it being true, when we largely don't know much about the Emperor's origins.
I'm not saying its completely impossible. But we can be reasonably sure he is not from the DAOT, since ADB said we can safely say that.
Besides, there is no canon 40k. So you are free to interpret the setting however you want.
I'm not a supporter of the idea that there is no canon in 40K, but didn't you just contradict yourself? If there's no canon in 40K, why should I take your reddit post with ADB as "Word of God" as if it has any value?
2018/10/18 23:06:05
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Excommunicatus wrote: Remember when Black Library authors said Dreadnoughts could ride in Land Raiders?
Good times.
Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind. Basically word of God. Are we to say there is a canon in 40k despite several sources and links from the authors showing there is no canon?
The premise that onething is fighting against is the possibility that the Emperor was a creation (bio-tech or otherwise) of the Dark Age of Technology (ergo DAOT) hence why he has said powers and his lack of outright intervention during many dark periods of mankind's history. Doesn't really match up with what we do generally know of him, but OP is vehement against any talk about it, hence his reddit link and this thread, which I personally find pointless.
I just debunked that. The book with the shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader explains why he "did not intervene (which is bs since he technically DID intervene, just not as the Emperor)." The shaman origin from 1st Edition Rogue Trader says he became various types of figures in times of trouble.
The same book says the Emperor saw no need to intervene as the Emperor until the Age of Strife.
He hears Him, the day they met, recognising a kindred being. ‘The likes of us,’ He says to Oll, ‘the likes of us will leave our print on things down the ages. That is why we were made the way we were. The courses of our lives will not go unmarked.’
‘Mine will,’ Oll assures Him. ‘I have no stomach for the games you want to play with the world. I just want an ordinary life.’
‘My dear friend, you’ll have as many of those as you want.’ It was summer, a meadow beyond the walls of Nineveh. He had never met another Perpetual before. He would never meet another like Him.
I think you misread what I wrote. I don't support the idea of him being DAOT tech, I was saying that you're going really overboard in trying to say there's absolutely no possibility of it being true, when we largely don't know much about the Emperor's origins.
I'm not saying its completely impossible. But we can be reasonably sure he is not from the DAOT, since ADB said we can safely say that.
Besides, there is no canon 40k. So you are free to interpret the setting however you want.
I'm not a supporter of the idea that there is no canon in 40K, but didn't you just contradict yourself? If there's no canon in 40K, why should I take your reddit post with ADB as "Word of God" as if it has any value?
I should clarify that going by the books, all of what I said is true. But going by "no canon", you are free to interpret the setting however you want. I have said this before.
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2018/10/18 23:10:42
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
According to old canon the Emperor was born in 8000 BC in Anatolia, Turkey. A holy child conceived by the mass ritual suicide of the shamen of antiquity; who after analysing their portents gave their lives to create a superbeing able to protect humanity from the growing threat of things from the warp.
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion.
2018/10/18 23:16:24
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
Orlanth wrote: According to old canon the Emperor was born in 8000 BC in Anatolia, Turkey. A holy child conceived by the mass ritual suicide of the shamen of antiquity; who after analysing their portents gave their lives to create a superbeing able to protect humanity from the growing threat of things from the warp.
Its not just old lore, its from 1st Edition Rogue Trader. I just linked the book, and its incompatible with modern lore. But the lore from 1st Edition Rogue Trader was the best.
There's a post I remember reading on Reddit, which I'm sure I could find given enough time, written by ADB himself, where he explained that BL has always played fast and loose with canon. What one author created might be downplayed or outright ignored by other authors, or retconned in various ways. The authors write what they want to write, and it's fans far more than the authors themselves who nitpick these things.
So, per ADB's own words, his interpretation of the setting isn't gospel and can (and would) change the instant the majority of the rest of the BL team disagrees with him, and is more 'legend' than statements of fact.
It's a made-up backstory used to sell toy models and retconned on a constant basis to push the narrative in whichever direction they want it to go. I don't see why you're so hung up on this.
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There's a post I remember reading on Reddit, which I'm sure I could find given enough time, written by ADB himself, where he explained that BL has always played fast and loose with canon. What one author created might be downplayed or outright ignored by other authors, or retconned in various ways. The authors write what they want to write, and it's fans far more than the authors themselves who nitpick these things.
So, per ADB's own words, his interpretation of the setting isn't gospel and can (and would) change the instant the majority of the rest of the BL team disagrees with him, and is more 'legend' than statements of fact.
It's a made-up backstory used to sell toy models and retconned on a constant basis to push the narrative in whichever direction they want it to go. I don't see why you're so hung up on this.
I know that. But you also have ADB saying we can safely say he is from the DAOT.
2018/10/18 23:41:30
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
There's a post I remember reading on Reddit, which I'm sure I could find given enough time, written by ADB himself, where he explained that BL has always played fast and loose with canon. What one author created might be downplayed or outright ignored by other authors, or retconned in various ways. The authors write what they want to write, and it's fans far more than the authors themselves who nitpick these things.
So, per ADB's own words, his interpretation of the setting isn't gospel and can (and would) change the instant the majority of the rest of the BL team disagrees with him, and is more 'legend' than statements of fact.
It's a made-up backstory used to sell toy models and retconned on a constant basis to push the narrative in whichever direction they want it to go. I don't see why you're so hung up on this.
per ADB's words Bligh rather liked the DAOT orgin idea. yet, as ADB said, clearly from what we can see it's not nesscarily true, my over all impression? the writers themselves don't nesscarily have a HARD idea as to what the Emperor IS. Bligh isn't just some random punk, he was a very important member of the FW staff and is often considered to be the "father of the Horus Heresy"
Orlanth wrote: According to old canon the Emperor was born in 8000 BC in Anatolia, Turkey. A holy child conceived by the mass ritual suicide of the shamen of antiquity; who after analysing their portents gave their lives to create a superbeing able to protect humanity from the growing threat of things from the warp.
Its not just old lore, its from 1st Edition Rogue Trader. I just linked the book, and its incompatible with modern lore. But the lore from 1st Edition Rogue Trader was the best.
Excommunicatus wrote: Remember when Black Library authors said Dreadnoughts could ride in Land Raiders?
Good times.
Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind. Basically word of God. Are we to say there is a canon in 40k despite several sources and links from the authors showing there is no canon?
Not in the slightest.
I am, however saying that a single Black LIbrary author does not dictate canon. Also, relying on canon and then immediately disavowing canon is an odd tactic.
Excommunicatus wrote: Remember when Black Library authors said Dreadnoughts could ride in Land Raiders?
Good times.
Are you saying ADB is wrong? He wrote Master of Mankind. Basically word of God. Are we to say there is a canon in 40k despite several sources and links from the authors showing there is no canon?
Not in the slightest.
I am, however saying that a single Black LIbrary author does not dictate canon. Also, relying on canon and then immediately disavowing canon is an odd tactic.
No canon in 40k. Interpret the setting however you want.
2018/10/18 23:57:11
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
This has rather quickly turned into the most pointless thread I think I've seen on dakka. For my contribution I'll just say (as i think others have eluded to) an authors take on the 40k canon is only concrete till the next book is written. Using one as an authoratative source is kinda pointless.
2018/10/19 00:18:37
Subject: My talk with ADB more or less confirming the Emperor is not from the DAOT
