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What is the best way for GW to release female/cultural themed minis into 40k?
Do not release female/cultural themed miniatures, it is a potential minefield
Release female/cultural themed miniatures in dedicated units and factions so players can choose to have them or not
Release female/cultural themed miniatures freely mixed in with other units, adding variety to players' modeling options

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Notice from Manchu: Posts arguing about female Space Marines will be deleted.

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NOTE - do not attempt to debate these points t in the thread, I will delete such posts - however, feel free to PM with questions, complaints, etc

Couple of points going forward:

If you think the thread is going off the rails, please PM me or use the Mod Alert button. But don’t thread crap by posting a bunch of commentary about how it’s off the rails.

About female Space Marines (incl. Grey Knights, Custodes, Primarchs, etc) ... Every time we talk about female figures the topic gets twisted into a giant debate about Femarines and inevitably collapses. So this time around, we’re not doing that. Yes Space Marines are THE major faction of 40k but there are plenty of other ways GW could and should add female figures to their product lines. This thread is about all the ways GW could do so other than Femarines.

Next, there’s a lot of political flavored commentary in this thread. That’s inevitable. Please note that while Dakka Dakka has a ban on off-topic political discussion, the ban does not include the political dimensions of on-topic content, i.e., miniatures gaming. All the same, please remember that Rule Number One is Be Polite. Calling each other SJWs, NPCs, misogynists, racists, etc is not acceptable (not that these words themselves are banned).

Finally, post in this thread at your own risk. If you ignore these points going forward, you stand a good chance of having your account suspended.


Thanks!
Note: this is not a politics, nor a flamebait thread, and I understand how easily it might devolve into one. I am really and honestly curious about the opinions of the board as a whole on this subject and to help with mod enforcement I'll put a handy dandy spoilered list of things that are explicitly not on the topic of the thread down below.

Regardless of your political opinions or beliefs on the pros and cons of this practice, in recent years Games Workshop appears to have been making a conscious effort to release more female miniatures, and more miniatures strongly based on particular cultural groups. It seems to me like, both now and previously, these units seemed to be released either as their own, dedicated groups, with in-game explanations as to why they appear, or they are added into existing units (often during a new kit release for a squad) and there are differing opinions on the pros and cons of both practices.

Method 1: Dedicated units

Example: Space Wolves. A nordic-themed faction, with its own dedicated kits swapping out the normal space marine heads for heads and particularly hair/beards that appear more nordic/viking. In game explanations abound for why they are like Vikings.

Example: Sisters of Battle. An all-female faction, with an in-game explanation as to why they are all female (to get around the requirement that the Ecclesiarchy field no "men at arms")

Example: Necromunda Eschers. All-female gang, with the explanation that all their males are adversely affected by the poison their gang manufactures.

Example: Tzeentch Kairic Acolytes. An egyptian-themed chaos cultist unit, pulling the egyptian theme Tzeentch has in 40k into the fantasy setting.

Method 2: Added into kits

Example: Deathwatch Space Marines. Includes a much greater variety of heads than the standard marine kit, with varied hairstyles and facial features.

Example: Van Saar Necromunda gang. 2 out of every 10 Van Saar gangers must be made female.

Example: 2nd wave Stormcast Eternals. All stormcast Eternals in the first model wave were male, many stormcast eternals released in the second wave were female.

Example: Eldar Harlequins. Different torso options allow a player to build male or female Harlequins. An all-male troupe can be made from a Harlequin kit.

Subjects not included in the topic of the thread
Spoiler:


-Concept of Political Correctness and Identity Politics. Any current political reference.

-Concept of "feminism"

-Concept of Female Space Marines

-Concept of whether women should be allowed into real-world military service

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"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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This is the definition of a political flamebait thread.

As I say every time this comes up, the only winning move for GW is to not play. No matter what they do it will be decried as either sexist (why do you get off on women being killed) or not progressive enough (why are there still male models at all).

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Use the imperial guard and inquisition. Humanity has a myriad of planets, customs and looks. As well as real world analogs have sci fantasy ones. But really there should simply be a greater variety of heights and other proportions and male/female heads for things like guard. Females in body armour are not much different to men, so it isn't big changes that are needed. Hell a lot of this is based on Soviet Russia which had no shortage of women in the armed forces.
   
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RVA

I don’t think you should be lumping female figures in with “cultural themed” figures.

As to female models:

First things first, Sisters of Battle need to be completely updated. GW says that’s coming in 2019. So that box will be checked.

Next up, Imperial Guard need to be updated. Ideally, a Guard squad would come with two sprues: one with options for five male figures and one for options for five female figures. Obviously, stuff like special weapons and backpacks would work for either male or female figures.

For everything else, a few female models should be included in kits where appropriate. A couple of good examples are Eldar Guardians and Dark Eldar Wyches. There might be a couple of males in those kits.

So in summary, what’s really missing and should be addressed are Guardswomen. Otherwise, the line is already pretty great.

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Eldar/Elves have had female models for years. Its not obvious this has resulted in GW being accused of anything so I never really understand why people think this is a minefield.

If/when GW re-do the Imperial Guard I'd be surprised if they don't include some female heads.

They are only going to get in trouble if say they resurrect Repentia and go "you want women in 40k? Right, they are going to be naked/have MMO armour, look at the nakedness. Oh yeah." Even then Infinity has somehow not been closed down...
   
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 Manchu wrote:
I don’t think you should be lumping female figures in with “cultural themed” figures.

As to female models:

First things first, Sisters of Battle need to be completely updated. GW says that’s coming in 2019. So that box will be checked.

Next up, Imperial Guard need to be updated. Ideally, a Guard squad would come with two sprues: one with options for five male figures and one for options for five female figures. Obviously, stuff like special weapons and backpacks would work for either male or female figures.

For everything else, a few female models should be included in kits where appropriate. A couple of good examples are Eldar Guardians and Dark Eldar Wyches.

So in summary, what’s really missing and should be addressed are Guardswomen. Otherwise, the line is already pretty great.


For better are worse, they tend to be lumped together inevitably when the overall miniature range is discussed, and there's a pretty common theme of releasing miniatures via Method A: Making the culture the miniatures or based on or the fact that they are female a defining attribute of the unit.

Tau have a strongly late imperial japanese-inspired theme. Howling Banshees, Eschers and Succubi have a strongly female-inspired theme.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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RVA

Female heads simply aren’t sufficient for Guardswomen. The Astra Militarum line will remain incomplete, at least in terms of representing the faction we read about in the fluff, until there are specifically female figures of the rank and file, NCOs, and officers.

   
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I went with dedicated units.

In my opinion, shaped by my experience with kits that are mixed in some way (for example Last Chancers, stylistically; Dark Eldar, male/female) A single kit with mixed models inevitably leads to some people getting the feeling they wasted money because they don't like some of the models included, for whatever reason. I think it's much more palatable to have distinct boxes. If you like it, you get your money's worth. If you don't, you don't have to buy it and can pick something else instead. No hassle with getting use out of only four or six or seven out of your ten models that came in the box.

I think the downsides of this option are purely on GW's side. A male and a female Eldar squad box take up twice the shelf space, cost twice as much in tooling, and will likely not sell significantly different than a single kit representing the same type of model. The other thing is the rigidity with which GW translates kit content into rules, with somewhat limited squad sizes built around multiples of the kit content, and options that must exist in that single kit instead of opening options at least from other kits inside the same faction, disincentivizing assembling a squad from several kits instead of (multiples of) one.

As a customer I don't care. That's GW's problem to solve, not mine.

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RVA

All-female is a perfectly legitimate aesthetic theme (so is all-male). The reason I don’t think female as a category lines up with “cultural themed” is because the latter doesn’t really even apply in 40k. I mean, SW are Viking-themed to some degree but there’s a lot f werewolf-theme there, too. What “culture” is that? I mean, it’s not a culture; nor are Thousand Sons actually Egyptian in any meaningful sense. The references are to fantastical tropes rather than to actual cultures.


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I’ve never heard anyone complain that they’ve wasted dollars because some of the figs in the DE Wyches kit are male.

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Tyel wrote:
They are only going to get in trouble if say they resurrect Repentia and go "you want women in 40k? Right, they are going to be naked/have MMO armour, look at the nakedness. Oh yeah."
For what it's worth, repentia were the female counterparts to the arco-flagellants (and alongside the male/female penitent engine pilots in the same style).
The male models were as naked as in the supporting imagery, the female modest were clothed up to be more modest / less horrific - so while they are often used as an example of 'bondage nuns' the opposite is actually true. Aside from the mistress, who is stupid.

I feel that cultural themes are more suited to kitbashing. Keep the core miniature lines either plain or true to their established styling.
   
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People... all models are culturally themed. You can't avoid it.

My view - just make units with female models. Like they did with Stormcast. A mixture, some dedicated. Don't make a big fuss about it - it should be normal that there are female and male (and other) figures. Make it that way.
   
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Yeah, it is bizarre to lump gender and culture this way. Units/faction are often from certain specific place from the setting, so thus it it makes sense for them to represent culture of that place (whether that culture was inspired by the real world or not.) Genders are not like that.

But yeah, I think I'd like to see more mixed-gender factions and units, instead of them being segregated into girl and boy factions/units. Those sort of gender specific grouping are not inherently a bad thing, but it shouldn't be the norm. So, more mixed-gender units, the Guard would be the most obvious place to start.




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CassianSol wrote:

People... all models are culturally themed. You can't avoid it.


Yeah, that was weird too. Apparently the OP doesn't consider Anglo culture as culture...

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 Manchu wrote:
I’ve never heard anyone complain that they’ve wasted dollars because some of the figs in the DE Wyches kit are male.


I really like Haemonculi and especially Wracks (not to mention the marvelous Talos model), so when the 5th ed codex rolled around and I participated in the inevitable army building challenge that would happen at my local store, I figured I'd start out with a female Archon and a female bodyguard squad while I wait for the release of Wracks (my first squad was converted from Flagellants and Crypt Ghouls to get my second Troops choice - not a bad stand in, but not exactly what i wanted either). Not that there's anything wrong with male Eldar, but since GW wouldn't release plastic models of the females I actually wanted (care to take a guess which one'sI'm talking about? ) I was totally on board with some panzees tiding me over. Only to get the ten models I needed, I had to buy two boxes instead of one.

Sure, my choice and not that much extra money in the grand scheme of things, but except for a few bits of one male Dark Eldar that managed to find their way onto a Tau base the rest of the males from those boxes still sit in my bits box and do nothing. Literally a waste of money. Whether I can live with it or not, a dedicated squad of all female models would have been the better choice for me.

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We already have female guard, what you want is clearly and obviously female guard, which is fine, throw a couple of heads in there or whatever and call it done.

It would be better to totally re do the guard plastic infantry though.
   
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 Manchu wrote:
All-female is a perfectly legitimate aesthetic theme (so is all-male). The reason I don’t think female as a category lines up with “cultural themed” is because the latter doesn’t really even apply in 40k. I mean, SW are Viking-themed to some degree but there’s a lot f werewolf-theme there, too. What “culture” is that? I mean, it’s not a culture; nor are Thousand Sons actually Egyptian in any meaningful sense. The references are to fantastical tropes rather than to actual cultures.


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I’ve never heard anyone complain that they’ve wasted dollars because some of the figs in the DE Wyches kit are male.


The way I think about it is if you can't accurately describe a miniature line without mentioning their gender or human cultural inspiration, they tend to have that as a "theme". It's hard to describe Ratskins in necromunda without mentioning their native american theme. If you described Space Wolves as just "werewolf themed" you'd miss out on a lot of their design aspects. How do you distinguish Tomb Kings from standard Undead without saying Tomb Kings are egyptian themed?

I guess the whole question of this thread came from me picking up some kits of Deathwatch Veterans for Kill Team and then doing a commission job on 15 scouts. I'd never looked at marine scouts in detail and hadn't previously realized that they were all basically identical Tom Brady hunchback dudes, and it struck me how much the variety of different heads and faces in the Deathwatch kit affected how I enjoyed building and painting it, and if all Space Marine kits had that kind of variety in the figures I might actually want to collect them. When I started the game, Space Marine bare heads pretty much came in two flavors, bald dude and identical dude with Mark Trail hair.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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 Manchu wrote:
Female heads simply aren’t sufficient for Guardswomen. The Astra Militarum line will remain incomplete, at least in terms of representing the faction we read about in the fluff, until there are specifically female figures of the rank and file, NCOs, and officers.


I'm not sure how much of a hurdle that is, given how outdated the Guard infantry are anyway.

Might as well incorporate this stuff when they get around to replacing it.
   
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Calm Celestian




They just need to ask 'is it resonable to have a female head/model in this kit?' and add them were it is. It's not actually that hard. (And keep it away from cheesecake modeling, but they've actually not been terrible at that so far.)

The minefield they need to be careful with is storytelling, but we're trying to avoid that warren with this topic...

   
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 Crimson wrote:
Yeah, it is bizarre to lump gender and culture this way. Units/faction are often from certain specific place from the setting, so thus it it makes sense for them to represent culture of that place (whether that culture was inspired by the real world or not.) Genders are not like that.

But yeah, I think I'd like to see more mixed-gender factions and units, instead of them being segregated into girl and boy factions/units. Those sort of gender specific grouping are not inherently a bad thing, but it shouldn't be the norm. So, more mixed-gender units, the Guard would be the most obvious place to start.




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CassianSol wrote:

People... all models are culturally themed. You can't avoid it.


Yeah, that was weird too. Apparently the OP doesn't consider Anglo culture as culture...



I mean, I do, and default imperial units are themed around a mix of anglo and roman imagery. I've heard pretty common complaints about that, especially with respect to the Space Marines when people want to go with a theme that's not Roman, or with respect to Guardsmen when they don't want to have the WW2 style flak armor.

"Got you, Yugi! Your Rubric Marines can't fall back because I have declared the tertiary kaptaris ka'tah stance two, after the secondary dacatarai ka'tah last turn!"

"So you think, Kaiba! I declared my Thousand Sons the cult of Duplicity, which means all my psykers have access to the Sorcerous Facade power! Furthermore I will spend 8 Cabal Points to invoke Cabbalistic Focus, causing the rubrics to appear behind your custodes! The Vengeance for the Wronged and Sorcerous Fullisade stratagems along with the Malefic Maelstrom infernal pact evoked earlier in the command phase allows me to double their firepower, letting me wound on 2s and 3s!"

"you think it is you who has gotten me, yugi, but it is I who have gotten you! I declare the ever-vigilant stratagem to attack your rubrics with my custodes' ranged weapons, which with the new codex are now DAMAGE 2!!"

"...which leads you straight into my trap, Kaiba, you see I now declare the stratagem Implacable Automata, reducing all damage from your attacks by 1 and triggering my All is Dust special rule!"  
   
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Lammia wrote:
They just need to ask 'is it resonable to have a female head/model in this kit?' and add them were it is. It's not actually that hard. (And keep it away from cheesecake modeling, but they've actually not been terrible at that so far.)

The minefield they need to be careful with is storytelling, but we're trying to avoid that warren with this topic...


I really don't think any design process for 40K starts with 'is this reasonable...'

   
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Tyel wrote:
Eldar/Elves have had female models for years. Its not obvious this has resulted in GW being accused of anything so I never really understand why people think this is a minefield.

If/when GW re-do the Imperial Guard I'd be surprised if they don't include some female heads.

They are only going to get in trouble if say they resurrect Repentia and go "you want women in 40k? Right, they are going to be naked/have MMO armour, look at the nakedness. Oh yeah." Even then Infinity has somehow not been closed down...


I think that the Female Guardian models do a really good job. You can tell they are women because they have a slightly different torso, but because of the way all Guardians hold their gun once they are put together you absolutely cannot tell what gender the model is from any reasonable distance... man, woman, an Eldar Guardian is just cannon fodder at the end of the day.

Anyway, in my opinion, one of the most tasteful additions of a female model in any miniature game was the Malifaux Guild Guard found in the original Lucius box. She is wearing the same uniform as her male squad mates are, she's got the same sword, and the same pistol, and the same rules. She's not sticking her hips out, bending and twisting or making unusual poses. She's got a job to do, and she is going to do it. Too bad her entire squad is cannon fodder though!


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The best way is to not let cultural/business policies impact the studios design processes, while potentially once a concept is being developed, and its specifically obvious that such a concept is missing an obvious thing that might be popular (like the option for female guard), make the suggestion to include it. and provide the artists with as much freedom as possible to make great things, without mandating from on high that they must have a quota of female models for each male one the produce.

Imposing policy on artists is an exercise in stagnation and disappointment.

Would I want the option to build an all female mordian regiment? Sure. But not if its at the cost of the soul of the creative process and just meeting some corporate equality checkbox.
   
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Personally, I'd choose "all of the above". There are already mono-gendered groups in 40k, a-gendered groups, and mixed gendered groups. There has been since 2nd edition. Releasing more models, and just opening these options up, just makes sense.

Actually, if anything, I've noticed GW really reducing the number of multi-pose models. This, I'm sure, is done to reduce production and design costs. Fewer options means fewer costs and fewer chances for players to put the model together "wrong". I miss the more multi-posable kits of the past, and having lots of options on how you want to build those units.

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 Yarium wrote:

Actually, if anything, I've noticed GW really reducing the number of multi-pose models. This, I'm sure, is done to reduce production and design costs. Fewer options means fewer costs and fewer chances for players to put the model together "wrong". I miss the more multi-posable kits of the past, and having lots of options on how you want to build those units.


I know this is completely off topic, but yes this! and the removal of upgrade options, and the moving some units / upgrades to stratagems, are my least favorite parts of 'new GW'
   
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RVA

Multi-pose is definitely fading out, which is good news as far as including more female figures in kits goes.

   
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 Crimson wrote:
Lammia wrote:
They just need to ask 'is it resonable to have a female head/model in this kit?' and add them were it is. It's not actually that hard. (And keep it away from cheesecake modeling, but they've actually not been terrible at that so far.)

The minefield they need to be careful with is storytelling, but we're trying to avoid that warren with this topic...


I really don't think any design process for 40K starts with 'is this reasonable...'

Ahahaha!

There's reasonable and there's 40k reasonable. Is it resonable to have women with lasguns and flak armour running around the galaxy? Yes, so they should be included in the kits. It should be a matter of course, but it's too often overlooked... that's why we need to make a special effort at times.

   
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CassianSol wrote:

My view - just make units with female models. Like they did with Stormcast. A mixture, some dedicated. Don't make a big fuss about it - it should be normal that there are female and male (and other) figures. Make it that way.

Exactly this.

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I think GW could do a lot by just giving us new head sprues that could be used interchangably with existing kits. Sadly upgrade sprues tend to be going out for GW so this might be more something up FW's alley.

In regards to theme they could introduce a new IG kit for a planet force not used before and just have it split 50/50 like DE tends to do. For story purposes they could even say it is a homeworld that utilizes everyone combat capable. Hell, could be a Cadian resculpt for all I care(although I'd love to see Steel Legion).

I do believe they could do a fantastic job if they were to expand the Inquisition and have it a good mix of genders. It would also give the artists a wide berth for their creative process to create unique and interesting characters.

They could also go wild and expand Sisters of Silence further.

My view - just make units with female models. Like they did with Stormcast. A mixture, some dedicated. Don't make a big fuss about it - it should be normal that there are female and male (and other) figures. Make it that way.


An excellent point.

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Just to add - I think gender is different to what we are calling culture.

I don't feel male/female heads on Kabalites/Wyches/Guardians etc materially effects the coherency of the unit. They are all the same - just male and female.

By contrast if you have one with Egyptian iconography, one with say Viking runes, one with a roman style etc etc then it can end up looking like a mess. This applies to units and indeed whole armies.

Its kind of like how most people for a long time have said the way to paint an army is to pick 3 colours that unite most of the army together (obviously detail like gemstones etc can be exceptions). You don't want to do a 2nd edition Eldar force where every units is in its own colour because while each individual may look great, on the table it looks like a mess.
   
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They should release a scantily clad army of women wearing fur and fighting with sharpened bones made from cute animals while consuming meat jerky.

Those offended will not be missed

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 Yarium wrote:
Personally, I'd choose "all of the above". There are already mono-gendered groups in 40k, a-gendered groups, and mixed gendered groups. There has been since 2nd edition. Releasing more models, and just opening these options up, just makes sense.

Actually, if anything, I've noticed GW really reducing the number of multi-pose models. This, I'm sure, is done to reduce production and design costs. Fewer options means fewer costs and fewer chances for players to put the model together "wrong". I miss the more multi-posable kits of the past, and having lots of options on how you want to build those units.


That is true. A friend showed me the sprue for one of his AoS units. And it had males and females on it. Great, but it more or less ment that units can only be assembled one way. Makes the whole unit only multi part in name and price.


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 Rismonite wrote:
They should release a scantily clad army of women wearing fur and fighting with sharpened bones made from cute animals while consuming meat jerky.

Those offended will not be missed


Don't they have a race of elfs in AoS, that consists of nothing else but 99% naked women of all shapes and sizes already?

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If you have to kill, then kill in the best manner. If you slaughter, then slaughter in the best manner. Let one of you sharpen his knife so his animal feels no pain. 
   
 
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