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So a friend and I were discussing this today, and I hadn't ever heard of this model before.

He made several claims, and I find them suspect because if this works as he says it does, why are these not the most common Tau unit being run at the tournament level.

Claims:

Longstrike can ride in one of these.
When using this model, you take the Tau: Codex Heavy Burst cannon profile and double it since in his theory, it overdoes the index entry here. (Note: I don't agree, this reads like its own unit to me), and therefore, I read the Twin-Heavy Burst cannon as a special weapon. If he is correct, then this would be:

Heavy 24 36' S6 AP:-1 2 DMG weapon, hitting on 2's tanks to longstrike, or threes thanks to normal hammerheads. It seems abruptly overpowered.

Can anyone clear this up? Is this an upgrade to hammerheads, or is this it's own variant of hammerhead? Can you really replace the burst cannon profile from the index with the one in the codex, even if this is a FW special unit? Or is the FW as printed rule the defacto rule?
   
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I've never heard of that unit before. Ask him to show you the datasheet for it and what book it's in along with any other associated rules.

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 Elbows wrote:
I think it's pretty telling that almost no one on this board has ever stated or encountered people actually trying to pull off nonsense like this. So it really boils down to epeenery.
 
   
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The Datasheet does not say anything about transport capacity. Therefore no one can ride in them.

Not sure about the Heavy Burst cannon profile, but it has its own weapons listed on its datasheet.

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Just search google for "tx7 fire support hammerhead gunship" you should be able to find the datasheet for reference purposes.


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Is that a Forge World model? Also as far as Longstrike is concerned he is included in his own gunship on his datasheet so I don't see how you could put him into the other Hammerhead in question here

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 Elbows wrote:
I think it's pretty telling that almost no one on this board has ever stated or encountered people actually trying to pull off nonsense like this. So it really boils down to epeenery.
 
   
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1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though

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Longstrike isn’t an upgrade for another Hammerhead, he’s his own Datasheet.

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It's a Forge World unit. It doesn't reference the codex whatsoever. Longstrike is his own unit, not an upgrade.
   
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 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's a Forge World unit. It doesn't reference the codex whatsoever. Longstrike is his own unit, not an upgrade.


Sort of opposite: codex never references forgeworld.

Forgeworld can/does reference codex.

Longstrike is totally accurate though: no longer an "upgrade" to tanks.

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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
 BaconCatBug wrote:
It's a Forge World unit. It doesn't reference the codex whatsoever. Longstrike is his own unit, not an upgrade.


Sort of opposite: codex never references forgeworld.

Forgeworld can/does reference codex.

Longstrike is totally accurate though: no longer an "upgrade" to tanks.
To be fair I don't think it references the codex at all, it refers to Index: Xenos 2. The Designers Commentary only applies to units and weapons found in the GW indexes, not the FW ones.

If the FW book says to use a value from an Index, you use the index value. If it tells you to use a value from the book itself, even if it differs from the codex or index, you use the value in the FW book. You don't get "free updates" because the flowchart doesn't apply.
   
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Thanks! I found it and yes, I am now convinced it is a Datasheet for a specific unit, so he is 100% wrong on this one.

Thanks gents!




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 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though


Do you have a link to that FAQ?

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 Togusa wrote:
Thanks! I found it and yes, I am now convinced it is a Datasheet for a specific unit, so he is 100% wrong on this one.

Thanks gents!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though


Do you have a link to that FAQ?


It's on the Warhammer Community FAQ page, along with all of the other FAQS...

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_xenos.pdf

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 Kriswall wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Thanks! I found it and yes, I am now convinced it is a Datasheet for a specific unit, so he is 100% wrong on this one.

Thanks gents!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though


Do you have a link to that FAQ?


It's on the Warhammer Community FAQ page, along with all of the other FAQS...

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_xenos.pdf

He may have had trouble finding it in the FAQ as it's 'swiftstrike' and not 'starstrike' (it kept me from finding it at first).

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 Togusa wrote:
Thanks! I found it and yes, I am now convinced it is a Datasheet for a specific unit, so he is 100% wrong on this one.

Thanks gents!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though


Do you have a link to that FAQ?
Ghaz maintains an up to date list of FAQs in the sticky at the top of the forum, along with the link to the official FAQ page.
   
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 Ghaz wrote:
 Kriswall wrote:
 Togusa wrote:
Thanks! I found it and yes, I am now convinced it is a Datasheet for a specific unit, so he is 100% wrong on this one.

Thanks gents!




Automatically Appended Next Post:
 hotsauceman1 wrote:
1: Longstrike can't ride in one of them, it ain't a option
2: the recent FAQ changed the name to "StarStrike Burst Cannon"
3: Longtrikes buff does affect them though


Do you have a link to that FAQ?


It's on the Warhammer Community FAQ page, along with all of the other FAQS...

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/imperial_armour_index_xenos.pdf

He may have had trouble finding it in the FAQ as it's 'swiftstrike' and not 'starstrike' (it kept me from finding it at first).


Yep, this is what happened. Thanks all!
   
 
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