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Hello all! I’m wondering what Xenos (besides Orks, And Eldar) that exist during the current 40k timeline were also alive and kicking during the Great Crusade or Horus Heresy time period. Any ideas?

Pretty much all of them, except the necrons were largely asleep, and the tau were barely sapient (and didn't have their tech base).
Tyranids hadn't really arrived yet. Probably.

The GC mostly saw elimination of Xenos species, conveniently narrowing down options.

I was thinking about the Kroot, I guess. Is there any evidence that they were around back then?

 agurus1 wrote:
I was thinking about the Kroot, I guess. Is there any evidence that they were around back then?

Nothing I'm aware of. The Kroot fluff is almost entirely related to them working as mercenaries for the T'au.

The Hrud and Jokaero were.

Loxatl too, I think, and maybe the Slaught.

The Tarellians were around in the great crusade and their bitter remenants still exist in the 41st millenium

The kroot gained (their initial tech base) by eating orks - not many millenia back they were essentially spear-wielding primitives like the contemporary tau.
However they were able to absorb some of the ork's gene-wired gift for technology.

Obviously orks and eldar.

possibly Slaugth - the Slaugth Murder-Minds are mentioned in a horus heresy book which makes sense as they were alan bligh's contribution to the RPG they were in.





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Also the Hrud

Demiurg - Alphas raided their mining facility during Heresy.

The Khrave are also present in both 40k and 30k, and noted as being particularly dangerous. Barghesi were also encountered during the Great Crusade, and require an entire Space Marine Chapter to contain them in 40k.

Thanks for all the answers guys, I’m wondering about going about making a Xenos Army for 30k so knowing what races were around helps a lot. I supposed this is the wrong forum to use for modeling advice was hoping Kroot were around and kicking as a space faring society cause that would make modeling an army much easier...

10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Necrons are all around, but the king has not started the awakening yet. But it is not unlikely humans stumble upon necron sructure. The emperor certanly knew about them depending upon the validety of the dragon he fights and ttaps on Mars.

Edit: I thought kroot in 40.000k where all over the galaxy as mercanaries. 10.000 is not that long for spreading all around. The kroot could possible be around in 30.000k

The Laer existed in the past, not sure they still do.

EDIT - Nope.

Any of the current Xenos species was already around in 30k, but Tyranids had yet to enter the Milky Way, Necrons were almost all still asleep and the Tau and Kroot had yet to develop space travel. So that leaves only the Orks and the Eldar for Xenos species that have model ranges, and the Jokaero and the Sslyth for Xenos species that got a single model. And plenty of species that never got models at all, such as the Hrud.

 Kriswall wrote:

 agurus1 wrote:
I was thinking about the Kroot, I guess. Is there any evidence that they were around back then?

Nothing I'm aware of. The Kroot fluff is almost entirely related to them working as mercenaries for the T'au.

I recall old fluff about the first encounters between Kroot and Tau that implied that Kroot spaceflight was a lot older than the Tau; I suspect if they were around during the Great Crusade they survived by being in an Ork-infested remote region of the Eastern Fringe and didn't have any actual contact with the Imperium.

 AnomanderRake wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 agurus1 wrote:
I was thinking about the Kroot, I guess. Is there any evidence that they were around back then?

Nothing I'm aware of. The Kroot fluff is almost entirely related to them working as mercenaries for the T'au.

I recall old fluff about the first encounters between Kroot and Tau that implied that Kroot spaceflight was a lot older than the Tau; I suspect if they were around during the Great Crusade they survived by being in an Ork-infested remote region of the Eastern Fringe and didn't have any actual contact with the Imperium.

That's basically how the Tau and Kroot and Vespid and other races in that region survived. By being right on the edge of Imperial space and being in a backwater region. There was just no interest in pushing new worlds and dominating the local Xenos at times of expansion; which left them time to develop. There's also strong hints that Eldar had a hand to play in helping to product, hide and advance the Tau.

 Niiai wrote:
10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Necrons are all around, but the king has not started the awakening yet. But it is not unlikely humans stumble upon necron sructure. The emperor certanly knew about them depending upon the validety of the dragon he fights and ttaps on Mars.

Edit: I thought kroot in 40.000k where all over the galaxy as mercanaries. 10.000 is not that long for spreading all around. The kroot could possible be around in 30.000k

The kroot are a case of artificially forced evolution, though. Certainly there's been no examples of them in 30k.

Thanks for all the answers guys, I’m wondering about going about making a Xenos Army for 30k so knowing what races were around helps a lot. I supposed this is the wrong forum to use for modeling advice was hoping Kroot were around and kicking as a space faring society cause that would make modeling an army much easier...

Kharadron Overlords makes a sort of starting point for demiurg if you want to see them as steampunky squats.

Slaught are....let's just hope you or your opponent are not scoleciphobic:

In one of th earlier Tyranid Codex it was theorized that the Catachan Devils were the long lost (and since gone feral) remains of an early Tryanid investigative force. There were similar theories on some other species dotted around the Galaxy - so there is every chance that some form of very very early Tyranid critters or infected critters might be around. However in far too small a number ot warrant a whole army or faction.

 Niiai wrote:
10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Nids are heavily implied of having been alerted to presence of this galaxy due to actions related to Pharos device during Horus Heresy so extremely unlikely. Albeit nothing in 40k fluff is set in stone but at least that version has the Tyranids going "oh there's something interesting there" around HH and then starting travel toward there. Which being slower than space travel for Imperium would take quite a while.

Considering the vast distances involved it wouldn't surprise me if Tyranids had agents here for a VERY long time prior to the HH events. Ergo they send them out to multiple Galaxies to survey, then the HH events triggered their attention in a big way; it might even be that normally so many Hive Fleets don't descend upon one Galaxy at a time (and let face it with the Imperium, Orks and Chaos roaming around in huge numbers Tyranids might originally deemed this galaxy too much effort for no gain)

tneva82 wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Nids are heavily implied of having been alerted to presence of this galaxy due to actions related to Pharos device during Horus Heresy so extremely unlikely. Albeit nothing in 40k fluff is set in stone but at least that version has the Tyranids going "oh there's something interesting there" around HH and then starting travel toward there. Which being slower than space travel for Imperium would take quite a while.

Considering the Tyranids are travelling from an adjacent galaxy, and it can take years just for Imperials to travel from one side of the Imperium to the other with faster warp travel, I wonder if even 10,000 years (or less, for Ymgarl stealers) is long enough for the Tyranids to cross the void between galaxies. Honestly, it feels like they have been on their way for a far longer time.

Edit: I suppose Andromeda is only 25x further away than the Milky Way is wide.

 Iron_Captain wrote:
Any of the current Xenos species was already around in 30k, but Tyranids had yet to enter the Milky Way, Necrons were almost all still asleep and the Tau and Kroot had yet to develop space travel. So that leaves only the Orks and the Eldar for Xenos species that have model ranges, and the Jokaero and the Sslyth for Xenos species that got a single model. And plenty of species that never got models at all, such as the Hrud.

Doesn't DE range have 5-6 other xenos? Like Medusae or Fiends?

 Haighus wrote:
Edit: I suppose Andromeda is only 25x further away than the Milky Way is wide.

Actually, two other galaxies nearly touch our own...

 Niiai wrote:
10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Necrons are all around, but the king has not started the awakening yet. But it is not unlikely humans stumble upon necron sructure. The emperor certanly knew about them depending upon the validety of the dragon he fights and ttaps on Mars.

Edit: I thought kroot in 40.000k where all over the galaxy as mercanaries. 10.000 is not that long for spreading all around. The kroot could possible be around in 30.000k

I believe I remember reading the IOM fighting something that sounded like the necrons but it didn't explicitly call them that. Chances are there were probably a few fights between the two but the Imperium likely wouldn't have realized what they really were.

 Haighus wrote:

tneva82 wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
10.000 years is not long in evolusionistic terms. With the exception of artificial enginered evolution and the tau (who might be enginered or not) it is safe to asume all the current alian races are alive during the crusade. More might be, as some could be wiped out during the crusade.

Nids might or might not be here. I do not know when the ymgal gets noticed. But the ymgals might nog be the first, and they could have gone unseen a long time.

Nids are heavily implied of having been alerted to presence of this galaxy due to actions related to Pharos device during Horus Heresy so extremely unlikely. Albeit nothing in 40k fluff is set in stone but at least that version has the Tyranids going "oh there's something interesting there" around HH and then starting travel toward there. Which being slower than space travel for Imperium would take quite a while.

Considering the Tyranids are travelling from an adjacent galaxy, and it can take years just for Imperials to travel from one side of the Imperium to the other with faster warp travel, I wonder if even 10,000 years (or less, for Ymgarl stealers) is long enough for the Tyranids to cross the void between galaxies. Honestly, it feels like they have been on their way for a far longer time.

Edit: I suppose Andromeda is only 25x further away than the Milky Way is wide.

Blame the Eldar.
Aside from their shenanigans being potent enough to create a god it’s just plain fun to blame such Xenos filth.

 Irbis wrote:

Actually, two other galaxies nearly touch our own...

"Nearly"

 Niiai wrote:
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Edit: I thought kroot in 40.000k where all over the galaxy as mercanaries. 10.000 is not that long for spreading all around. The kroot could possible be around in 30.000k

Kroot are like Tau, they're actually in a fairly small region of the Galaxy, but for game purposes that gets ignored. Yes, they do mercenary work for others, and have a wider spread than the Tau do, but it's easy to miss the fact that they're effectively unknown outside maybe an eighth of the Galaxy (at best. it's probably closer to a 32nd or 64th of the Galaxy).

Really, only orks and humans span the entire Galaxy. Necrons and Eldar are effectively in subfaction bubbles that are relatively regional. You might fight eldar or necrons in general almost anywhere, but up in the galactic north they'll almost always be from a specific craftworld or dynasty, and a different one in the galactic south (Biel Tan, I believe). There is some mitigation with web way shenanigans, but that should reasonably only go so far thanks to damage and hostile forces, and then you're on a planet or dealing with ships that really aren't significantly FTL (if at all) in real space.

Voss wrote:

 Niiai wrote:
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Edit: I thought kroot in 40.000k where all over the galaxy as mercanaries. 10.000 is not that long for spreading all around. The kroot could possible be around in 30.000k

Kroot are like Tau, they're actually in a fairly small region of the Galaxy, but for game purposes that gets ignored. Yes, they do mercenary work for others, and have a wider spread than the Tau do, but it's easy to miss the fact that they're effectively unknown outside maybe an eighth of the Galaxy (at best. it's probably closer to a 32nd or 64th of the Galaxy).

Really, only orks and humans span the entire Galaxy. Necrons and Eldar are effectively in subfaction bubbles that are relatively regional. You might fight eldar or necrons in general almost anywhere, but up in the galactic north they'll almost always be from a specific craftworld or dynasty, and a different one in the galactic south (Biel Tan, I believe). There is some mitigation with web way shenanigans, but that should reasonably only go so far thanks to damage and hostile forces, and then you're on a planet or dealing with ships that really aren't significantly FTL (if at all) in real space.

To be fair, both Orks and humans are also largely in pockets in space. Imperial sectors generally have considerably more wilderness space than patrolled space, sometimes with entire enemy faction empires contained within the "boundaries". So I don't think there is much meaningful difference in the distribution between Orks, Humans, Eldar*, and Necrons, except the latter two are just less numerous and therefore less likely to be encountered, but otherwise spread just as widely, and in a similar fashion.

Kroot do actually seem to be remarkably wide spread, but that may just be because of that wormhole in the FFG RPGs that connects a region near the Tau Empire to a region near the Eye of Terror.

*Webway settlements notwithstanding. But those can raid almost anywhere in realspace.

 Haighus wrote:

Kroot do actually seem to be remarkably wide spread, but that may just be because of that wormhole in the FFG RPGs that connects a region near the Tau Empire to a region near the Eye of Terror.quote]

8ed DW dex namedrops Kroot quite far up galactic northeast in a map and describes Kill Teams from the Keep Extremis near Fenris fighting migrating Kroot.