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So I am working on finalizing my 1000 point armies, and the only two I have left are my Orc and Goblin armies. Up till this point I have kept them separate, adding to each with their own race to make 700 point armies. But now to fill in the remaining each to bring them up to 1000 I figured I could borrow from each. Especially as I really do not want to buy anymore (I was almost ready to pull the trigger on a unit Orc Boar Boys). Pulling a Troll or Bolt Thrower into a Orc army seems reasonable, but I am having a hard time filing in my Goblin army with some Orc units for the simple reason that I can’t see how any Orc would report to a Goblin. Maybe I am wrong about this I am new to Warhammer and the fluff. What do you guys think? And I am just talking about regular boys here no Black Orcs or anything. Well, maybe an Orc chariot.
   
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The goblin has a reputation for winning, and treats the orc contingent as special.

The goblin flat out beat the Orc's unit's leader.

The goblin crushed the orc's tribe, and the survivors joined up.

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Orcs will follow anybody who is strong. Now a Goblin boss would have to be particularly strong to earn the respect of some Orcs, and would likely have to bash in some heads on a regular basis to keep them in line, but it is possible.

It would not be a stable relationship by any means. The goblin in question probably won't last too long as its only a matter of time till an orc he can't beat comes along and takes over.

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Don't forget the superstition angle. If a shaman can somehow show how Gork and Mork have a Goblin Boss destined for greatness, and expressing their approval of his WAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH, then I could easily see Orcs joining. Maybe not Black Orcs, though.


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Easiest solution would be to have the Gobbos augment the Orc army until such time as you can expand the Gobbos enough to be a pure Gobbo force.


Also, neat trick to get an Orc Shaman from the 6th Ed. starter set. Take a Charioteer with that ridiculously long spear, give him the pony tail from the Chariot sprue. Remove the spear point and position the arms so that the end that was just cut is about as down to the table as you can get it. Take the cow skull standard and trim off the horns, then glue it to the upper part of the spear handle. BAM! Instant Orc Shaman with Staff of Badum or whatever it was called.

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Ok so maybe I can argue this particular Goblin Big Boss is smarter than most and is able to manipulate the Orcs into playing along.

BTW I do have the metal Orc Shaman holding the big bone. Its one of my favorite models.
   
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Maybe these Orc's are just passing through and who happen to stumble across the Goblins preparing for battle? Why leave and pass up the chance for a good scrap? The Big Boss is wary of the Orcs as he doesn't want to get duffed up but they're handy in a scrap so they get the pick of the loot
   
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Yeah I guess all these ideas work. I'll be fine now adding some orcs to my Goblin army.

Thanks everyone
   
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Its a case of reversing roles in the pyramid structure. Goblins work indirectly as leadership amongst greenskins is always up for challenge if you are bigger and greener than the incumbent boss.

The biggest orc is the one in charge, however the biggest orc in a gang of orcs accompanying a goblin tribe can and will call himself warboss and get away with it but often a smart gobbo 'advisor' runs the whole show.

Very few goblins command orcs directly. Even Skarsnik mighty though he is tends to avoid them, he beats up orc challengers with help from Gobbla but tends not to employ orcs at all to keep such challenges down. Grom was a notable exception who would happily beat up orc challengers to his position and end up ruling orcs as well as goblins.

A super gobbo who is like Grom can follow Grom's career path, such a gobbo would attract orc challengers but it assuming such a goblin was up for it other orcs would have few problems following. Orcs respect might, and if a goblin actually happens to be mighty that is enough..

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Master Blaster - your goblin just needs a Blaster for himself to help him out with the heavy stuff like bossing other orks around and beating them up when they don't fall in line.

In general ork society is at the brutal, violent, survival of the strongest end; but they will also respect cunning, intelligence and the ability to actually win fights not just fight in them. So its perfectly possible for a goblin to rise up - esp if he secures the loyalty of an ork to help out the dimmer ones that are fixated on might is right.


Also don't forget that in any army its often a case of smart delegation and a structured pyramid of power. So your goblin hasn't got to secure the loyalty of all the orks just the leaders of each group of orks within the force

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Yeah I guess this does work after all, and I am starting to appreciate the little guys more now than I had previously.

Anyone play a pure Goblin army before? Or against one? How to they fair? I know they come in big numbers but it seems to me that when they take casualties, they REALLY take casualties. And must spend a lot of time running off.

Seems you have to have a sense of humor to play them. And low expectations.
   
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Well, you know how it is. You're an Orc Big Boss who wants to lead the tribe, which is currently under the command of a weedy little Gobbo.

But, mysteriously, every previous Big Boss who's talked or thought about taking over has suddenly, unexpectedly, died in a massively improbable accident with no obvious cause.

Because you're kunnin' enough to have got the top, as well as brutal enough, you're going to bide your time. And the Gobbo really does have some very sneaky schemes.
   
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Charging Orc Boar Boy





Germany

I played a Night Goblin Waagh very recently, 2000 points against Empire.

It contained a Night Goblin Waaghboss, 2 Night Goblin Shamans, a Night Goblin Big Boss on Giant Cave Squig as character choices.

As core, I used 2 units of 30 Night Goblins with Spears, Netters and Fanatics, one unit of 25 Night Goblins with short bows.

As special choices, I picked a Squig Herd and some Squig Hoppaz, and as rare choices a Giant and an Arachnarok Spider.

The game was pretty fun, but it was a minor victory for the Empire after Round 6.

Leadership of 7 (or worse if the General is not around) is really a pain in the ass, especially if you play against a shooty army like Empire. At first it looked as if I could overwhelm the imperial soldiers, but as the tide of battle turned against me in a meelee , everything started to panic and flee.
My Big Boss' squig was shot down by a cannon, and he joined the Night Goblins next to him. Together they charged a unit of halberdiers which were positioned beside the hellstorm cannon, but the netters threw their nets onto their own unit, so they suffered -1S instead of the halberdiers. The halberdiers managed to kill the Big Boss (who failed miserably in attacking the humans), and the unit lost the combat by 1 and had to test...well on a LD of 4 then. That was the beginning of the end. Sums up pretty much what fighting with Goblins is like
   
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Scotland, but nowhere near my rulebook

From experience of playing all gobo armies, its starts with hilarity, various weird and wonderful superweapons like doom divers and fanatics taking their toll on the enemy, enemy missile fire not doing too much against the hordes, all is sunny....

Then something goes wrong. Typically involving anything being in combat. And your army, in its entirety, runs away.

This, again, is hilarious. Especially if you have squigs.

Weirdly they always seem to do best against elite armies, where the damage due to fanatics etc. really puts a proportionally big dent in the opposing hard hitters.
   
 
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