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Came up in a game last night. My opponent told me that the Deffkilla Wartrike does not get the +1 to his advance move because it does not roll and just adds 6".

Red Ones Go Fasta : ...Add 1 to advance and charge rolls made for them...

Fuel Mixa Grot: Once per battle, when this model advances add 6" to its move characteristic for that movement phase instead of rolling a dice.


Its only an inch but that can be huge in making first turn charges

Seems correct.

You can not add to a roll if you do not roll.

Let me quote some necron rules :

My will be done
At the beginning of your turn, choose a friendly <DYNASTY> INFANTRY unit within 6" of this model. Add 1 to Advance, charge, and hit rolls of that unit until the beginning of your next turn. A unit can only be chosen as the target of this ability once in each turn.

Necron nephrekh dynasty
If a unit with this code Advances, add 6" to its Move characteristic for that Movement phase instead of rolling a dice (if the unit is being affected by the My Will Be Done or Wave of Command ability, add 7" to its Move characteristic instead). In addition, if a unit with this code Advances, its models can move across models and terrain as if they were not there.

You dont have to roll a dice to get +1" to advance.

 p5freak wrote:
Let me quote some necron rules :

My will be done
At the beginning of your turn, choose a friendly <DYNASTY> INFANTRY unit within 6" of this model. Add 1 to Advance, charge, and hit rolls of that unit until the beginning of your next turn. A unit can only be chosen as the target of this ability once in each turn.

Necron nephrekh dynasty
If a unit with this code Advances, add 6" to its Move characteristic for that Movement phase instead of rolling a dice (if the unit is being affected by the My Will Be Done or Wave of Command ability, add 7" to its Move characteristic instead). In addition, if a unit with this code Advances, its models can move across models and terrain as if they were not there.

You dont have to roll a dice to get +1" to advance.

Not sure I agree. Necron code SPECIFICALLY calls out how it interacts. Since the Ork benefit does not call out any such interaction, I'm not convinced they stack. I'd currently say that if you don't roll, you don't get the bonus to the roll.

 p5freak wrote:
Let me quote some necron rules :

My will be done
At the beginning of your turn, choose a friendly <DYNASTY> INFANTRY unit within 6" of this model. Add 1 to Advance, charge, and hit rolls of that unit until the beginning of your next turn. A unit can only be chosen as the target of this ability once in each turn.

Necron nephrekh dynasty
If a unit with this code Advances, add 6" to its Move characteristic for that Movement phase instead of rolling a dice (if the unit is being affected by the My Will Be Done or Wave of Command ability, add 7" to its Move characteristic instead). In addition, if a unit with this code Advances, its models can move across models and terrain as if they were not there.

You dont have to roll a dice to get +1" to advance.

Dude, what you quoted literally proves you DO need to roll a dice. If you didn't they would not have needed to add that line about MWBD.

To the OP: No, you cannot add 1 if you do not roll.

Agreed. As the rule stands now you wouldn't get the +1 because it wasn't called out in the Fuel Mixa Grot's (or the Evil Suns) rules.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see it FAQ'd so that it does get the +1 bonus, but I wouldn't play it like that unless it's FAQ'd to allow it.

 doctortom wrote:
Agreed. As the rule stands now you wouldn't get the +1 because it wasn't called out in the Fuel Mixa Grot's (or the Evil Suns) rules.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised to see it FAQ'd so that it does get the +1 bonus, but I wouldn't play it like that unless it's FAQ'd to allow it.

Wait, you'd play by the RULES??? As they were WRITTEN????? How un-cash-money of you!

In any case, I agree with the sentiment, unless this gets changed, you don't get the Bonus unless you actually roll.

Can I get +1 if I roll a dice and still use the Fuel Mixa Grot?

I think the intent here is pretty clear.

There's not much space on the Wartrike's datasheet as is, I'm sure GW just missed this or assumed people would use same ruling that has been set with the Necron ruling.

FAQ will clarify in a week or so. I'd suggest you email them.

The same applies to Deffkoptas.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Can I get +1 if I roll a dice and still use the Fuel Mixa Grot?

Of course. It's a good thing you can't do both on the same movement action then, isn't it.

Codex: Orks, Page 89 wrote:Fuel-mixa Grot: Once per battle, when this model Advances, add 6" to its Move characteristic for that Movement phase instead of rolling a dice.

 An Actual Englishman wrote:
Can I get +1 if I roll a dice and still use the Fuel Mixa Grot?

I think the intent here is pretty clear.

There's not much space on the Wartrike's datasheet as is, I'm sure GW just missed this or assumed people would use same ruling that has been set with the Necron ruling.

FAQ will clarify in a week or so. I'd suggest you email them.

The same applies to Deffkoptas.

I guess it was lack of room and not just a mistake when they mentioned in a rule that you can fire grenades and pistols in addition to normal weapons but didn't actually list any pistols on the weapon list.

What i said about necrons is confirmed in the ork FAQ. You dont have to roll a dice to get +1 to advance

Q: Do Evil Sunz models that have a set value when they
Advance – like a Deffkilla Wartrike using the Fuel-mixa Grot
ability or a Deffkopta, due to Turbo-boost – also benefit from the
Red Ones Go Fasta kultur?
A: Yes, add 7" to their Move characteristic for that
Advance move in these cases.

 p5freak wrote:
What i said about necrons is confirmed in the ork FAQ. You dont have to roll a dice to get +1 to advance

Q: Do Evil Sunz models that have a set value when they
Advance – like a Deffkilla Wartrike using the Fuel-mixa Grot
ability or a Deffkopta, due to Turbo-boost – also benefit from the
Red Ones Go Fasta kultur?
A: Yes, add 7" to their Move characteristic for that
Advance move in these cases.

That is a classic example of a Special Snowflake FAQ. It doesn't apply to anything other than Evil Sunz models. Good to see it's cleared up either way.

 p5freak wrote:
What i said about necrons is confirmed in the ork FAQ. You dont have to roll a dice to get +1 to advance

Q: Do Evil Sunz models that have a set value when they
Advance – like a Deffkilla Wartrike using the Fuel-mixa Grot
ability or a Deffkopta, due to Turbo-boost – also benefit from the
Red Ones Go Fasta kultur?
A: Yes, add 7" to their Move characteristic for that
Advance move in these cases.

Intent was clear here.

Absolutely, and good to see it clarified to avoid arguing over 1”!