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2018/11/10 22:00:30
Subject: House vulker and endless fury!
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Enginseer with a Wrench
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If i have Endless fury and use Saturation bombardment what happens on hit rolls of 6?
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2018/11/10 22:20:58
Subject: House vulker and endless fury!
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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Since both rules do the same thing, it looks like you score 2 hits instead of 1.
So rolling a single 6 would be 2 hits.
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2018/11/10 22:22:11
Subject: House vulker and endless fury!
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Norn Queen
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It depends on how you interpret FAQS. There is an faq that says you can do things "instead" of something that is not possible to do. Therefore it comes down to whether or not you can get two hits "instead" of the original one multiple times. My opinion from RaW and English however is that they are both replacing the same thing, which means the second instance doesn't actually do anything because there is nothing left to replace. If it were to stack the rule would have to say "an additional attack".
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2018/11/11 00:08:34
Subject: House vulker and endless fury!
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Calm Celestian
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BaconCatBug wrote:It depends on how you interpret FAQS. There is an faq that says you can do things "instead" of something that is not possible to do. Therefore it comes down to whether or not you can get two hits "instead" of the original one multiple times. My opinion from RaW and English however is that they are both replacing the same thing, which means the second instance doesn't actually do anything because there is nothing left to replace. If it were to stack the rule would have to say "an additional attack".
The Rules Lawyer in me agrees that it would seem to be intentionally written to avoid stacking on. The Stragem allows all the Weapons on any Knight to have the same ability as the Relic for a turn, but wouldn't have any effect on Endless Fury itself.
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2018/11/11 00:16:22
Subject: Re:House vulker and endless fury!
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Automated Rubric Marine of Tzeentch
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This was already addressed in itc. Each roll of 6 triggers for each ability, but only modifies the original roll. So each 6 becomes 3 hits, not 4.
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2018/11/11 00:31:00
Subject: Re:House vulker and endless fury!
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Calm Celestian
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quickfuze wrote:This was already addressed in itc. Each roll of 6 triggers for each ability, but only modifies the original roll. So each 6 becomes 3 hits, not 4.
The more I read about ITC, the gakkier their rules sound...
So the answer is ymmv. Clarify with your opponent beforehand.
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2018/11/11 08:32:08
Subject: Re:House vulker and endless fury!
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Captain of the Forlorn Hope
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quickfuze wrote:This was already addressed in itc. Each roll of 6 triggers for each ability, but only modifies the original roll. So each 6 becomes 3 hits, not 4.
ITC created a houserule, as Tournaments sometimes do.
That has no bearing on the RAW though.
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2018/11/11 08:52:53
Subject: Re:House vulker and endless fury!
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Grim Dark Angels Interrogator-Chaplain
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DeathReaper wrote: quickfuze wrote:This was already addressed in itc. Each roll of 6 triggers for each ability, but only modifies the original roll. So each 6 becomes 3 hits, not 4.
ITC created a houserule, as Tournaments sometimes do.
That has no bearing on the RAW though.
Agreed. As I read it both do the exact same thing, so no stacking. It doesn’t say +1, so ITC did a dumb. Automatically Appended Next Post: BaconCatBug wrote:It depends on how you interpret FAQS. There is an faq that says you can do things "instead" of something that is not possible to do. Therefore it comes down to whether or not you can get two hits "instead" of the original one multiple times. My opinion from RaW and English however is that they are both replacing the same thing, which means the second instance doesn't actually do anything because there is nothing left to replace. If it were to stack the rule would have to say "an additional attack".
Yeah that first bit would be tenuous stretching of the highest order, not one I’d subscribe to. I agree with your actual thoughts on the matter though.
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Stormonu wrote:For me, the joy is in putting some good-looking models on the board and playing out a fantasy battle - not arguing over the poorly-made rules of some 3rd party who neither has any power over my play nor will be visiting me (and my opponent) to ensure we are "playing by the rules" |
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