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Imagine your faction came up with the concept of dakka.
Imagine your army got a special rule, literally called "Dakka Dakka Dakka", to represent the sheer volume of firepower your army is known for in its lore.
Imagine your army had options to bring along models carrying even MORE ammo.

Imagine there was a stratagem that read: "Under sheer volume of fire, none can escape - "When this weapon targets an enemy within half range, it automatically hits its target".

Which faction do you think would get that; the faction known for an endless supply of bullets, literally drowning the sky in lead; "nevuh enouf Dakka" - or a faction known for restraint and precision?

GW knows which faction it’s more appropriate on.

fe40k wrote:
Imagine your faction came up with the concept of dakka.
Imagine your army got a special rule, literally called "Dakka Dakka Dakka", to represent the sheer volume of firepower your army is known for in its lore.
Imagine your army had options to bring along models carrying even MORE ammo.

Imagine there was a stratagem that read: "Under sheer volume of fire, none can escape - "When this weapon targets an enemy within half range, it automatically hits its target".

Which faction do you think would get that; the faction known for an endless supply of bullets, literally drowning the sky in lead; "nevuh enouf Dakka" - or a faction known for restraint and precision?

GW knows which faction it’s more appropriate on.

How do they have more Dakka?

It's a stratgem for Primaris Space Marines that have had their detachment upgraded using on of the new Special Detchaments in Vigilus Defiant.

 Carnikang wrote:
It's a stratgem for Primaris Space Marines that have had their detachment upgraded using on of the new Special Detchaments in Vigilus Defiant.

What does it do?

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Carnikang wrote:
It's a stratgem for Primaris Space Marines that have had their detachment upgraded using on of the new Special Detchaments in Vigilus Defiant.

What does it do?

Intercessors autohit within half range on their weapons. It does something else too I believe. I think it was make the normal riflerapid fire 2? I'm probably wrong, I skip over most imperial stuff that I'll be on the receiving end of for the foreseeable furture.

Get to learn it up close and personal.

It's a 1 cp strat that you need to unlock by making the detachment a veterans detachment, then spend another 1cp to make the intercessor squad a veteran squad then use the 1 cp strat that make there auto assualt bolt rifles automatically hit at half range. It's not that great. BEST case scenario its 20 auto hits at s4 on models then hit on 3s with easy access to re-rolls. Bolt rifles are still the better option and get a better strat that makes them rapid fire 2, but also has the beefy CP pre-req.

Yeah...it's a hugely expensive series of stratagems to get some auto-hitting bolters...vs. an entire codex who get the rule for free? Seems a little silly to complain about that, but that is par the course lately for Ork players.

Wrong post, please delete.

Imagine you'd just had one of the most interesting new codexes drop in your lap. So many different ways to build, so many options, so many army archetypes.

Imagine being showered in some of the coolest new models your little green heart could dream of.

Imagine being given a unit that is going to single handedly shift the meta, and autohits through Alaitoc -3 shenanigans. Think of the salt harvesting now at your fingertips.

Then imagine whining about a really bad strat that costs (1+1+1) 3 CP to use, in a faction that's strictly worse than your own; a strat that, even in a best case scenario – i.e. used on a blob of 10 intercessors with no reroll support – only results in an extra +6.7 S4 hits. For 3cp.

3CP for auto hitting posh bolters. Mmkay.

Its just so bad.

Also makes me more bitter I built my Primaris with auto-rifles rather than the regular ones.
But hey, if they are just going to look pretty on a shelf I guess it doesn't matter.

Well with a CP battery a primaris army could be becoming better and better. That is realy nice, I hope GW will do more stuff like the vigilus book in the future. Giving extra rules to make characterful lists better, but puting a non points linked cost to it, to not break the units outside of the formation is a great idea. GW did a very good job with the book.

 grouchoben wrote:
Imagine you'd just had one of the most interesting new codexes drop in your lap. So many different ways to build, so many options, so many army archetypes.

Imagine being showered in some of the coolest new models your little green heart could dream of.

Imagine being given a unit that is going to single handedly shift the meta, and autohits through Alaitoc -3 shenanigans. Think of the salt harvesting now at your fingertips.

Then imagine whining about a really bad strat that costs (1+1+1) 3 CP to use, in a faction that's strictly worse than your own; a strat that, even in a best case scenario – i.e. used on a blob of 10 intercessors with no reroll support – only results in an extra +6.7 S4 hits. For 3cp.

Eh, if I was an Ork player I'd want some decent Ork infantry models over incredibly expensive buggies that will only comprise a small number of units. Especially when compared to the AOS Orruk range, 40k Ork models look terribly dated. Or downright godawful in the case of the mediocre offerings for Warbosses. You need to go to third parties like Artel in order to get good looking and proper Orky boyz.

 Elbows wrote:
Yeah...it's a hugely expensive series of stratagems to get some auto-hitting bolters...vs. an entire codex who get the rule for free? Seems a little silly to complain about that, but that is par the course lately for Ork players.

Vs an entire codex who get auto hitting for free? Huh, I must have missed in my codex where all my weapons autohit....unless you are talking about traktor kannons specifically and not an entire codex. Granted, I am still not a huge fan of the Traktor Kannon. Don't get me wrong, good value, decent ability to damage, but the Smasha is just so much cheaper and against armies that don't rely on negative to hit modifiers its just better. But hey, I expect that from non ork players who don't understand the army or how to play it.

 grouchoben wrote:
Imagine you'd just had one of the most interesting new codexes drop in your lap. So many different ways to build, so many options, so many army archetypes.

Imagine being showered in some of the coolest new models your little green heart could dream of.

Imagine being given a unit that is going to single handedly shift the meta, and autohits through Alaitoc -3 shenanigans. Think of the salt harvesting now at your fingertips.

Then imagine whining about a really bad strat that costs (1+1+1) 3 CP to use, in a faction that's strictly worse than your own; a strat that, even in a best case scenario – i.e. used on a blob of 10 intercessors with no reroll support – only results in an extra +6.7 S4 hits. For 3cp.

Imagine thinking only orkz some how have so many different ways to build an army based on the new codex...instead of every army getting the same treatment in regards to options to build a new army.

Imagine thinking a bunch of severely over priced models, both in terms of $$$$ and Points was great news.

Imagine not understanding that zero units in the ork codex have shifted the meta by themselves, and that -3 alaitoc shenanigans were never our concern to begin with.

Then imagine people with no sense of humor taking a joke post and then somehow turning it into a slight against an entire range of gamers based exclusively on the army they choose to play in a space based board game.

 Wyzilla wrote:


Eh, if I was an Ork player I'd want some decent Ork infantry models over incredibly expensive buggies that will only comprise a small number of units. Especially when compared to the AOS Orruk range, 40k Ork models look terribly dated. Or downright godawful in the case of the mediocre offerings for Warbosses. You need to go to third parties like Artel in order to get good looking and proper Orky boyz.

I don't mind the buggies, I don't think they look that good and don't really mesh with my armies composition, disposition or style. I would love some new Tankbusta/Kommandos though. I would also like some hefty points drops on some of our infantry types, both in game points and in $$$. I am not a huge fan of $50 for 5 Kommando models, literally more than $1 a point.

Honestly the strat that turns "normal" Bolt Rifles into RF2 is far better. BUT WHY CAN'T MY SW TAKE THAT FORMATION IF IT WOULD ONLY BE BROKEN ON DEATHWATCH FFS Might be best to just turn my Primaris into Emperors' Spears at this point if vanilla Marines are going to be the special snowflakes regarding Primaris rules.

Pandabeer wrote:
Honestly the strat that turns "normal" Bolt Rifles into RF2 is far better.

Yes. Which is just silly. I really don't understand what's GW's logic is here. The rapid fire bolt rifle is already better, yet auto costs one point. Then they give the obviously better stratagem to the rapid fire rifle. Not only that, the assault version's stratagem goes against it's only niche, i.e. staying outside the rapid fire and charge range of the enemy whilst still being able to doubletap. Still, I think I might need to built a squad with assault bolters; you can use each stratagem only once per turn, so I might want to use them both, even though one of them is vastly better.

I welcome anything that speeds up the shooting phase, honestly.