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Just a quick poll and discussion to give people a break from yelling about CA 2019. Would you buy a plastic titan
Personally, I've always wanted one but 1. I'm a sucker but not that much of a sucker. 2. I dislike resin. 3. The arms are sold separately? Wtf GW?

However, if they sold the smaller warhound scout titan in plastic, for about £150, I'd jump on that straight away (even though I'd still think it was a waste of money... but I am a sucker). Personally, I would never just turn up looking for a casual game in a GW store with it but it would be nice to have at events and on my shelf.

So what about you? Would you want one/buy one? If so, which one? If not, why? Go!

No; I don't like titans, because I'm largely not a fan of walky-robots. Tanks are cooler.

I would buy a plastic Macharius, though. I might by a resin one anyway, at the rate I'm spending money irresponsibly on miniatures.

Or, if they made one, a Leviathan, Colossus, Cyclops, or Capitolis Imperalis.

I like giant robots.... But it would be a display only sort of thing. And if it's too expensive 150bp is what ..$200 in GW dollars?

It would depend heavily on how convertible and intricate it was.

Possibly. But I already have a Giant Mega Tank in production that I need to get off my butt and finish. I would love a Giant Robot, but I gotta be able to afford it and customize it like crazy.



Plus this monster, while not GW made, was far and above cheaper and Is the same length as a warlord titan model in resin is tall. I got this beast for like $100 (I think the price NOW is a little higher. I don't know if they have started making more kits).

Sure.
For my Imperials I've already got 3 Warhounds (2 armorcast, 1 FW) & 2 Reavers (all armorcast). I'd add another Reaver if they upscaled the one in Titanticus. Likewise I'd love to add 3 Warlords without it costing more than a used car....

For my chaos I'd definitely add some heretic titans.

Nope. Less detail than resin and still too big to fit into a normal game? No thanks.

It would depend on execution, but I'm probably going to buy a Warhound anyway so sure.

Personally? Not likely, but I would perhaps consider something like a plastic Warhound (maaaaaybe?) as a fun hobby project. However, not anywhere near the Forgeworld price. Their prices are comically ridiculous and only worse so on larger models.

However, this topic does address something I would have liked to see Forgeworld do. They used to be bespoke manufacturers of limited or hard to get items, but they're becoming much more commonplace now, and the gulf between resin and early plastics is all but gone. I would like to see Forgeworld become a test-bed for models that eventually become mainstream plastic kits. I don't think anyone would argue that a plastic Leviathan dreadnought would sell incredibly well, etc. Sometimes we see this happen, but it's not really a common practice.

Do I think they could shift a lot of $200 plastic Thunderhawks, or $250 plastic Warhound titans? Probably - a massive number compared to what they sell in resin, at the very least. I don't think they'd sell as much as other mainline kits due to cost, but we all know plenty of people who don't baulk at spending $500+ on a Forgeworld order. I do think the market is there - even if GW adopted a new higher tier of product (read: "Masterclass" or whatever) just to justify a higher cost for large plastic models.

Do I think they would suddenly sell a ton of plastic Warhounds at the current $550+ pricetag? Nope. I think they'd sell a few more (because dealing with large resin models is obnoxious), but it wouldn't suddenly open the flood gates. The price would have to be substantially cheaper to become a mass-selling model (in superheavy terms).

 Elbows wrote:
Do I think they could shift a lot of $200 plastic Thunderhawks, or $250 plastic Warhound titans? Probably - a massive number compared to what they sell in resin, at the very least.

I doubt it, because there just isn't going to be a market for them. Lots of people say they want a plastic Thunderhawk, but how many people are going to drop $200 on a model that is never going to see the table? You're pretty much talking about the same tiny niche of dedicated collectors who are already buying the FW kits.

I don't know Peregrine when me and all my mates were first getting our super heavy's I would have loved a plastic thunder hawk for like 200, 250$. I would have all ready gotten a recast one if I did not hate working with resin so much.

 mew28 wrote:
I don't know Peregrine when me and all my mates were first getting our super heavy's I would have loved a plastic thunder hawk for like 200, 250$. I would have all ready gotten a recast one if I did not hate working with resin so much.

But what would you do with it? It's a ~1000 point model that depends on carrying a bunch of units to be effective, which effectively rules it out of normal games unless you like losing. And it's a huge model that is a pain to transport and use on the table, the same reason my Marauder is mostly just a display piece. I just don't see many people having a use for it outside of thinking "wow this is cool" before buying something they're more likely to use.

Well I don't like the existence of superheavies in the base 40k game in the first place, the starting point value of something like a Warhound is already exorbitant, and the time it would take to finish the model would probably take weeks. Bit of a resounding "hell no" from me.

 Peregrine wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
I don't know Peregrine when me and all my mates were first getting our super heavy's I would have loved a plastic thunder hawk for like 200, 250$. I would have all ready gotten a recast one if I did not hate working with resin so much.

But what would you do with it? It's a ~1000 point model that depends on carrying a bunch of units to be effective, which effectively rules it out of normal games unless you like losing. And it's a huge model that is a pain to transport and use on the table, the same reason my Marauder is mostly just a display piece. I just don't see many people having a use for it outside of thinking "wow this is cool" before buying something they're more likely to use.

If it costed 1200 points I would take it and 800 points of my space marines and play a few games with it can't see it being to different from when I take 1700 points of knights and need to fit in 300 points of space marines for CP.

 mew28 wrote:
If it costed 1200 points I would take it and 800 points of my space marines and play a few games with it can't see it being to different from when I take 1700 points of knights and need to fit in 300 points of space marines for CP.

Unlike the Thunderhawk the 1700 points of knights will actually kill something. The Thunderhawk is laughably under-gunned for its price, you're paying a ton of points for transport capacity in an edition where transports are mostly bad. And I don't know about you, but even $200 is quite a bit of money for a unit where the goal is "play a few games with it and see what happens".

 Peregrine wrote:

 Elbows wrote:
Do I think they could shift a lot of $200 plastic Thunderhawks, or $250 plastic Warhound titans? Probably - a massive number compared to what they sell in resin, at the very least.

I doubt it, because there just isn't going to be a market for them. Lots of people say they want a plastic Thunderhawk, but how many people are going to drop $200 on a model that is never going to see the table? You're pretty much talking about the same tiny niche of dedicated collectors who are already buying the FW kits.

How many people bought a Khorne Lord of Skulls?

I'm not a FW guy, and own no superheavies*, but I'd buy a plastic Thunderhawk if it were well designed. I'd be more likely to buy a Thunderhawk than a Titan. A Thunderhawk is actually a piece of equipment that goes along with my man's.

*A friend who's out of the hobby gave me a Heirophant Bio Titan. I didn't pay for it, and I half expect he'll regret his decision at some point. So technically I have a Superheavy, but I wouldn't have bought it.

Any superheavies I'd consider buying would be things I'd expect to be able to use with some regularity. A Renegade Knight would work, or a Chaos Spartan. The prospect of using a Titan requires a huge battle, and for a huge battle I'd usually just want to field more regular-sized models anyways.

A Thunderhawk would be the exception. I'd buy it just for the sense of completion for my marines.

 Peregrine wrote:

 mew28 wrote:
If it costed 1200 points I would take it and 800 points of my space marines and play a few games with it can't see it being to different from when I take 1700 points of knights and need to fit in 300 points of space marines for CP.

Unlike the Thunderhawk the 1700 points of knights will actually kill something. The Thunderhawk is laughably under-gunned for its price, you're paying a ton of points for transport capacity in an edition where transports are mostly bad. And I don't know about you, but even $200 is quite a bit of money for a unit where the goal is "play a few games with it and see what happens".

Well I do agree the Thunderhawk seems like a pretty poor preforming model at this point in time their is more to this hobby then playing competitively. Their is something to be said for a model just looking cool even if the rules are poor it's one of the two reason's I picked up grey knights in 7th. Also who knows maybe if it came out in plastic GW would buff it and it would be a stormraven/firehawk 3.0

I don't think a plastic titan is a good idea, personally.

I'd much rather see our old, unloved models, space marine characters, eldar phoenix and aspect warriors, chaos infantry, obliterators, etc get updated to plastic first. I'd also rather see Renegade Guard and Dark Mechanicus, and maybe a brand new Plastic Xenos army.

If some or all of this were to happen, then I'd say go nuts on Plastic titans.

No.

I already own Eldar and Imperial Knights, along with an Imperial Shadowsword, so I have more than enough for how little I currently play.

Me buying more GW anything 40k is basically folly at this point.

The answer to Peregrine's question is simple: more people than buy resin Thunderhawks.

I don't believe people buying Thunderhawks are buying them because of in-game stats. They're buying them as models first and foremost. Showpieces.

Of course only GW is privy to the sales, costs to build, sprue-costs, machining costs etc. The Thunderhawk even at a $200-250 range would still be a rare model, but a feth ton more people would own them than do currently. I can imagine it being a centrepiece model for any number of marine armies. Now, would it make its mould-cost back? Who knows, none of us have access to that information. I know my gaming group would consider buying one or two at that kind of price simply for scenarios (as a group purchase - having it on hand for anyone to game with, etc.).

When you look at how many people own armies of Knights (both plastic and Forgeworld) - some of which are $140+, there is absolutely a market there for higher dollar models. Just as Forgeworld appeals mostly to the "whales" out there, a $200-250 kit would be a specific range of customer. I suspect they would have enough sales to justify it personally.

 lolman1c wrote:
Just a quick poll and discussion to give people a break from yelling about CA 2019. Would you buy a plastic titan
Personally, I've always wanted one but 1. I'm a sucker but not that much of a sucker. 2. I dislike resin. 3. The arms are sold separately? Wtf GW?

However, if they sold the smaller warhound scout titan in plastic, for about £150, I'd jump on that straight away (even though I'd still think it was a waste of money... but I am a sucker). Personally, I would never just turn up looking for a casual game in a GW store with it but it would be nice to have at events and on my shelf.

So what about you? Would you want one/buy one? If so, which one? If not, why? Go!

For arms...You would prefer for fixed weapons for same price as comboed with additional arms? Or even more expensive deal with all weapons? Either way if you just want 2 specific weapons you would pay same money or more...

As for question itself: No. They suck in game, are pretty much impossible to even make balanced rules for scale, can't be played sensibly as 40k breaks up in point sizes much larger than 2k and they don't even work like titans should. They don't FEEL like titans. If one side has titan and one doesn't titan side is screwed. If both have the one who starts wins. Reaver vs warlord? Either way who goes first destroyes the other titan.

And they don't work like titans at all.

And to really field say warlord sensibly requires like 10k game but then that just takes ages, one side is bored for long times due to IGOUGO(more so if one side doesn't have 6k point sink) and doesn't even represent big 40k battle. You don't get big 40k battle feel just by upping points. You just get slow mess.


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 Insectum7 wrote:

How many people bought a Khorne Lord of Skulls?

You don't see any difference between 638 pts superheavy and 1448 pts super heavy flyer?-) Kill the remaining 552 pts and you automatically table opponent. The LoS at least isn't basically automatic lose


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 Elbows wrote:

I don't believe people buying Thunderhawks are buying them because of in-game stats. They're buying them as models first and foremost. Showpieces.

You just gave reason why they are FW resin and not GW plastic...

I would like to own a warlord sometime in the future, if it was in plastic, no doubt it'll be cheaper than its current retail. That in itself isn't such a problem as there are recasts available at 1/4 of the retail. The weight on the arms and other areas is my main concern for pinning/magnetization/transportation. That said, I still need to work my way up to that scale, currently the biggest I've done are FW cerastus knights.

These days I have hardly the time for games where I could use a Titan. And I'm not so much a fan of their look or giant models in general. My largest model is probably the plague hulk so far and it sits only halfway-painted on the shelve since some years, even though I bring it whenever possible. Those huge models are pretty tiresome to paint and hard to transport. And playing Nurgle I'd have to nurglify the Titan, too, which is a load of work as well.
All in all no desire to get a Titan, even if it was plastic.

I’d be getting it purely as a model, not game piece, but i’m not keen on painting bigger models, so I don’t think i’d get one at any price.

 lolman1c wrote:
Just a quick poll and discussion to give people a break from yelling about CA 2019. Would you buy a plastic titan
Personally, I've always wanted one but 1. I'm a sucker but not that much of a sucker. 2. I dislike resin. 3. The arms are sold separately? Wtf GW?

However, if they sold the smaller warhound scout titan in plastic, for about £150, I'd jump on that straight away (even though I'd still think it was a waste of money... but I am a sucker). Personally, I would never just turn up looking for a casual game in a GW store with it but it would be nice to have at events and on my shelf.

So what about you? Would you want one/buy one? If so, which one? If not, why? Go!

Yes, I've bought dozens of Gundam models, Robotech/Fang of the Sun models, Pacific Rim figures, the Dreamforge Leviathan and the like - and use them for my Tau and Imperial armies. But GW is crazy if they think I'll spend money on what they'd charge when I can great models for a tenth of their price that are already assembled and painted, especially when at worst they'd need a little bit of cosmetic work to look more 40K.

Maybe - depends on the price - I have Knights, SH tanks and Stompas but they are pretty big already.

I'd probably get one if it were cheaper than the resin one. Also, plastic titans/thunderhawks at a not-insane price would mean you could buy them for terrain making which actually would interest me.

GW's plastic pipeline has improved greatly so I wouldn't even think a plastic thunderhawk is an impossibility. They are already putting out enough limited run Primaris Lieutenants in plastic that I could safely say their processes is pretty much on point.

Also, regarding rules and points: Those things can be changed. If GW would really want to make ThunderHawks sell they could boost the rules, lower the points, and you'd have a stew goin'.

 Elbows wrote:
The answer to Peregrine's question is simple: more people than buy resin Thunderhawks.

But how many more? If a plastic kit produces a 5% increase in sales it isn't paying off the design and mold manufacturing costs. And I just don't see substantial numbers of additional people being interested in the kit.

I don't believe people buying Thunderhawks are buying them because of in-game stats. They're buying them as models first and foremost. Showpieces.

Yes, exactly. But the sort of person who is going to drop $200 for a hypothetical plastic kit that will just sit on their display shelf forever probably already bought the resin one.

When you look at how many people own armies of Knights (both plastic and Forgeworld) - some of which are $140+, there is absolutely a market there for higher dollar models.

Knights are much easier to transport and use, on top of having much better rules. Have you ever tried to us a superheavy flyer in a game? I own a Marauder and it's a pain to transport and a nightmare to actually use on the table. It requires its own custom box that takes up as much space as an entire 2000 point army, a huge resin base that is a nightmare to move if my opponent isn't willing to let me say "count it as being over there", and extreme caution to avoid bumping it and having a pile of Marauder pieces on the floor. Even with much better rules I'd be reluctant to bring it out regularly.

No, I hate huge models and its aesthetics isn't something that appeals to me. I wouldn't pay more than 60$ on a single model as well, regardless of the model itself.

But basically "No, all titans should be burned! They have no place in 40k!"

Interesting... now... any ork players out there want a plastic Squiggoth?

If they came out with a Gargant I might


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 lolman1c wrote:
Interesting... now... any ork players out there want a plastic Squiggoth?

YES