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Nothing huge but say half a million of the zoggers, including all the different units a WAGH of that size would contain like mekz, weirdboy's and other things.

I'm not talking about the fact they would always be a menace through spores but the initial attack could we quell it.

Orks might take one good look at Terra and itcs people as they are circa 40,000, see how ugly, desolate and miserable the planet and it's people are and decide to zog straight off back to someplace more cheerful, like Armageddon.

Yes. Only 500,000 orks would be doable. Earth would be infested forever, but we could keep them in check.

Think about the red neck hunters.....oh the tales from a good ork hunting camp. It would be like heaven to some people.

Quotas would be set so that they would not go extinct.
Everyone would plan safari to infested areas....with guides.
Halls and homes would be decorated.
Ork teeth and tusks would find a huge black market niche
Camps and preserves would be in huge demand for the hunters and keep the locals in good economics and safety.

Unfortunately we would have a PETO. People for Ethical Treatment of Orks.

I'm not sure therecs any! Open ground on Terra formwork spores to grow in.

What a testament to the imperium: its holy home world is too foul and vile for orks to live on.

Considering some of the world's leaders at the moment, the orks may be welcomed.




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To answer the actual question 500,000 in an initial assault would not be enough. Most continents have combined armies greater than this. I reckon five million and we quickly get green overlords.

RogalBob SquareFort wrote:
Nothing huge but say half a million of the zoggers, including all the different units a WAGH of that size would contain like mekz, weirdboy's and other things.

I'm not talking about the fact they would always be a menace through spores but the initial attack could we quell it.

Without question, yes, earth could deal with that.

40k is a Tolkien-esque fantasy universe with a scifi skin. Melee combat is emphasized to a far heavier degree than is realistic, and most stuff in 40k doesn't actually do anything that we didnt have fighting machines capable of in the 1940's.

Modern military forces have weapons and capabilities that would make the Eldar blush. I suspect it would not be much of a real fight. 40k doesn't have much in the way of things like cruise missiles, BVR aircraft engagement, radar guided counterbattery artillery fire, etc.

If absolutely nothing else, modern Earth would be much less squeamish about resorting to strategic weapons than factions in 40k tend to be

This actually is an on-topic thread, so I'm moving it to 40K General Discussions.

admironheart wrote:Think about the red neck hunters.....oh the tales from a good ork hunting camp. It would be like heaven to some people.

Quotas would be set so that they would not go extinct.
Everyone would plan safari to infested areas....with guides.
Halls and homes would be decorated.
Ork teeth and tusks would find a huge black market niche
Camps and preserves would be in huge demand for the hunters and keep the locals in good economics and safety.

Unfortunately we would have a PETO. People for Ethical Treatment of Orks.

these people don't actually hunt in a way that puts them in real danger. For every 1000 hunters there might be 1 with the balls to take on an Ork.

Yeah we'd be screwed. All it would take would be 1 ork leader that outsmarts the entirety of conventional military forces. And once they have a wierdboy we are super screwed.

It vastly depend one where and how and where they strike. It also depends at what speed they reproduce and what sort of weapons they are carrying or get their hands on. It also depends on how our very divided planet react to their attack. If we start back stabbing each other for momentary gains we might be in huge trouble.

epronovost wrote:
It vastly depend one where and how and where they strike. It also depends at what speed they reproduce and what sort of weapons they are carrying or get their hands on. It also depends on how our very divided planet react to their attack. If we start back stabbing each other for momentary gains we might be in huge trouble.

We lose if they have mekboys, painboys, or wierd boys, we have nothing our arsenal to deal with psychic threats. We would die simple and easy with our conventional methods.

 Asherian Command wrote:

epronovost wrote:
It vastly depend one where and how and where they strike. It also depends at what speed they reproduce and what sort of weapons they are carrying or get their hands on. It also depends on how our very divided planet react to their attack. If we start back stabbing each other for momentary gains we might be in huge trouble.

We lose if they have mekboys, painboys, or wierd boys, we have nothing our arsenal to deal with psychic threats. We would die simple and easy with our conventional methods.

To be fair, Weirdboyz are about the only thing the modern world doesn't have an equivalent for on some level in large numbers, and they're about as apt to blow themselves up as anything else. I don't see them being more valuable than say, laser guided anti tank missiles, optically assisted assault rifles, precision guided stand off munitions, GPS guided artillery, AA systems that can engage a dozen simultaneous targets from a hundred miles away, integrated control and communications systems that allow any infantry to call in direct artillery support or provide immediate intelligence to any level of command, tanks that can charge over rough ground at highway speeds and hit a moving arget 2km away with a 95% hit rate, etc

I doubt the Orks would not be sneaky if they knew they were outnumbered, they are savage xenos not morons. That job goes to the Adeptus Administratum.

They would probably start small attacking our places with conventional forces, leaving no survivors, entire carvaans go missing in afghanistan, US forces find entire terrorist groups missing or displayed for all to see in city squares.

Orks know how to run terror campaigns and they won't charge willy nilly unless they know they gotz some powerz behind it. Especially with a smart ork or any intelligent one they would begin fightin and growing in size. UN and everyone wouldn't know what to do and we have an awful lot of ground for us to cover, all it takes is one orc group finding a place that no human lives and building up there with stolen tech and wez are screwed.

Considering that the general tactic for Orks invading planets is to ride an asteroid into said planet (more or less) then we might be in a very bad spot to start with. Depending where it hits they could wipe out a huge city; cripple the world with a huge ash cloud; destroy multiple settlments with vast tsunami waves.

That's before we deal with the "what the heck is going on" issue whereby we'd lose important time during which the orks would be reproducing and increasing in number and digging in; during which time we are working out what they are; what to do with them etc....


Technology wise orks are, to my mind, very adaptable. They adapt to their foe in terms of what technology they use. So it wouldn't take them long to advance to deal with the way we conduct war.


I'd say they could be a serious threat, especially if they infest the world to the point where they are hrad to impossible to actually get rid of.

If Earth and its people did win it would be that we barely scraped through and humanity would forever be xenophobic and would always have to deal with some fungal spores. But hey at least we could prove walls don't work if some git has a ladder.

Orks would just build a very complicated structure to knock down anything we would have at that point.

Would be interesting to see how modern militaries would have to deal with orks, or if there would be any humans that would want to join the orks.

I think it's important to remember that while Ork (and other 40K faction) tech looks like it's from WW1/WWII it doesn't perform at that level. Also that the tabletop distorts for gameplay how war is fought in the 41st Millenium.

Orks fight Eldar, Necrons, Tau, Space Marines... I doubt they'd be overly outclassed by anything we could throw at them.

In some areas we'd be totally outclassed. Good luck to any modern day soldier who has to face an Ork in close combat, and with jump backs and teleportas that would not be a rare occurence.

Could 500K Orks conquer Earth? Probably not, but if they landed in a major city we'd not get rid of them without levelling that city to the ground, and even then some of them would survive.

You means Orks landing today right? Imagining humans as still existing in the 41st century is pure fantasy.

Necrons would actually be an improvement to humans unlike Eldar who would think they are an improvement but are really just a bunch of d-bags.

 Asherian Command wrote:
I doubt the Orks would not be sneaky if they knew they were outnumbered, they are savage xenos not morons. That job goes to the Adeptus Administratum.

Ork behavior and cunningness varies....widely.

They would probably start small attacking our places with conventional forces, leaving no survivors, entire carvaans go missing in afghanistan, US forces find entire terrorist groups missing or displayed for all to see in city squares.

Things entering orbit are very easily detected, noticed, and tracked in the modern world. Things going back up even moreso. Particularly in both cases with the typically represented Ork methods (falling in a large rock). Control is typically limited, and often entirely haphazard.

More to the point, how would they know to go to Afghanistan? They wouldn't even know what that is. They wouldnt know what the US is. They wouldn't know the difference between a Pashtun, a Tajik, or an American born in Oakland.

Unless we're assuming a very unorky extended period of anthopological investigation, education, research, etc of modern earth.

Additionally, it's not like disappeard caravans, missing terrorists or gruesomely displayed bodies are exactly anything new or shocking in Afghanistan, that's been par for the course for at least the last 35 years, if not more like 3500

Orks know how to run terror campaigns and they won't charge willy nilly unless they know they gotz some powerz behind it.

On a tactical level? Sure. 100% agreed. If we're talking about fighting over a city or a forest or something, I'm right there with you.

Talking about a strategic invasion of modern earth? This I have trouble following however.

Especially with a smart ork or any intelligent one they would begin fightin and growing in size.

Size on a modern battlefield is a distinct disadvantage. If it can be seen it can be hit, if it can be hit, it can be killed.

While a large monster in 40k is nigh immune to small arms fire, in the real world even multi-ton behemoths of bone and flesh go down quite quickly and easily to modern firearms.

Elephants, Gorillas, Alligators, Bison, Moose, Hippos, etc are all mighty, dangerous creatures. Anyone with an AK47 can relatively easily kill one however.

UN and everyone wouldn't know what to do and we have an awful lot of ground for us to cover, all it takes is one orc group finding a place that no human lives and building up there with stolen tech and wez are screwed.

Well, I'm guessing that the rather unsubtle signals of typical Ork industry would betray such a location in short order. Large weapons factories, mining operations, fuel extraction, etc, all the stuff needed to run a modern war, is not the easiest stuff to build or hide, and isn't usually able to be built just anywhere.

Humans also alread live basically everywhere its possible to do so. If the Orks want to live in the Antarctic, ok, but they'd need to develop an industrial base from scratch capable of matching those of modern developed nations, without anyone finding out, and transport themselves across the seas to attack anyone beyond mcmurdo station

 Jasper wrote:
Considering some of the world's leaders at the moment, the orks may be welcomed.




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To answer the actual question 500,000 in an initial assault would not be enough. Most continents have combined armies greater than this. I reckon five million and we quickly get green overlords.

You may speak in jest, good sir, but I suspect there is much truth in what you say.

I could only imagine the effect on humanity today if a small ork force reached eareth. Proof that alien life exists and [oses a threat. Boy I think we'd see some fences mended quickly and a drive to advance our technology pushed hard.

More to the point, how would they know to go to Afghanistan? They wouldn't even know what that is. They wouldnt know what the US is. They wouldn't know the difference between a Pashtun, a Tajik, or an American born in Oakland.

They wouldn't ork instinict is to go near the biggest baddest fight. Orks as much as 40k art depicts them as fighting in lines don't always fight that way. Skirmishes are far more common than pitched battle lines.

The thing is that the crimson fists have had a very hard time taking out orks across their homeworld, they knew how to detect them but they had ships and transports that outdo everything we currently have. We do not have vast detection systems for asteriods as much as you think, earth is quite defenseless vs the terrestrial.

In terms of terror campaigns i'm not just saying "Oh it will be like humans." No these are aliens that would enslave humanity in a way we've never seen before. Things would be very different and we would know it right away.

Orks would divert from Oakland, CA because of Black Panther.

 Asherian Command wrote:

More to the point, how would they know to go to Afghanistan? They wouldn't even know what that is. They wouldnt know what the US is. They wouldn't know the difference between a Pashtun, a Tajik, or an American born in Oakland.

They wouldn't ork instinict is to go near the biggest baddest fight.

Currently that would be Syria, where the bulk of the worlds intelligence apparati and firepower is already aimed at, and where there arent any good places to hide and build a military war machine (and where all the war materiel present is made elsewhere in the first place to boot).

Orks as much as 40k art depicts them as fighting in lines don't always fight that way. Skirmishes are far more common than pitched battle lines.

Which is fine, but these things are connected. You have a group of Orks show up in Syria, one person with a camera and an internet connection gets them known out to the entire planet. Then this goes from being a tactical engagement and now operational and strategic forces shift into play to address the new threat, and all of a sudden a hit and run BikerBoyz raid gets tracked back to a hideout via satellite and now enough ordnance to flatten a city is dumped on it by cruise missiles, aircraft, GPS guided artillery, and more.

Even if we're talking sneaky git kommandos (far from typical Orks) engagement, travel, and hideout options on a well populated world with globally interconnected communications systems are...limited.

The thing is that the crimson fists have had a very hard time taking out orks across their homeworld, they knew how to detect them but they had ships and transports that outdo everything we currently have. We do not have vast detection systems for asteriods as much as you think, earth is quite defenseless vs the terrestrial.

We dont have defenses against stuff in space really barring nuclear missiles, and we cant see everything floating in the deep void, but we track tens of thousands of pieces or orbiting space debris as small as a few inches across, and damn sure would see anything large entering the atmosphere, or leaving it.

Thats were the transition into the real world falls apart for 40k stuff, because in so many ways we are so much farther ahead technologically, again mainly because 40k is mostly fantasy in a scifi costume.

In terms of terror campaigns i'm not just saying "Oh it will be like humans." No these are aliens that would enslave humanity in a way we've never seen before. Things would be very different and we would know it right away.

I mean, is that really worse than what people faced say, on the Eastern Front in WW2, in the face of the Mongols, or any other number of human conflicts where the outcomes for the losers were mass murder, cultural annihilation, and dismal slavery for the survivors? People stood and fought in those wars on all sides.

Since no one has mentioned it. 500000 orks, that’s 500000 combat troops. Not many militaries in the world can match that. I’d say the orks would fare quite well but in the end would probably loose. But it would be one long war, that may stretch out for many years.

As for the whole fantasy tech thing. 40k tech is superior to our own in every way. Anyone who argues that our tech is somehow better is just wrong. I’m sure the Imperium of man has things like gps, radar, etc, etc. They also have directed energy weapons, space ships, fantastic materials technology.

As for the orks. Their tech may seem primitive but it’s actually quite advanced. They have force fields, tellyportas, genetically ingrained training. The orks themselves are a technological weapon. An organic one, but they bring a whole ecosystem designed for one purpose, war. 500000 orks would be big trouble for earth today.

SpookyRuben wrote:
Since no one has mentioned it. 500000 orks, that’s 500000 combat troops. Not many militaries in the world can match that. I’d say the orks would fare quite well but in the end would probably loose. But it would be one long war, that may stretch out for many years.

As for the whole fantasy tech thing. 40k tech is superior to our own in every way. Anyone who argues that our tech is somehow better is just wrong. I’m sure the Imperium of man has things like gps, radar, etc, etc. They also have directed energy weapons, space ships, fantastic materials technology.

This is a universe where starship turrets are hauled onto target by literal chain-gangs of impressed slave-sailors turning giant gear cogs. Where tanks are deployed as combat assault transports but lack the ground clearance to crest a steep driveway or parking lot speed-bump, and other heavy battle tanks have turrets so small it's anatomically impossible to actually stand in the hatch (much less fit three crew in the turret) as the gun breach takes up the most of the internal turret space, yes, even in a technical Imperial Armour drawing. Where air combat is conducted almost exclusively at dogfighting ranges with visual range weapons. A universe where massed mobs of hatchet wielding people running across an empty field can aren't instantly all massacred in the blink of an eye when faced with automatic weapons fire, and where experienced combat commanders routinely walk about the front under direct fire without head protection and in bright primary colors with heaps of iconography to mark out how special they are. Where a modern every day cellphone has capabilities, information access, and a ubiquity that would be unthinkable. A universe where the primary human fighting force doesn't necessarily even all have radios at the squad level. A universe where, what they do have, they mostly do not understand.


It is a strange place

I’ll admit they take some liberties for storytelling and model design lol. But for all it’s strangeness and quirky qualities the 40k universe is leaps and bounds ahead of us with respect to technology.

A lot of this comes down to how concentrated they are and how quickly humanity figures out how they work. If they invade across the world, many more isolated and less populated regions are going to get hit hard in the initial invasion. Many cities, especially the bigger ones are going to be a mess if commerce/utilities are knocked out for more than a week or two.

I'd imagine that once the worlds various armed forces got up to speed, we would win the initial fight. It would be bloody considering some of the more bonkers things orks can pull off and they're near total lack of worry of collateral damage. The big issue is how quick we realize that unless you burn all the bodies, give it a few years and we have the same problem again and again. It's very hard to root out orks once they hit a planet.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
A lot of this comes down to how concentrated they are and how quickly humanity figures out how they work. If they invade across the world, many more isolated and less populated regions are going to get hit hard in the initial invasion. Many cities, especially the bigger ones are going to be a mess if commerce/utilities are knocked out for more than a week or two.

I'd imagine that once the worlds various armed forces got up to speed, we would win the initial fight. It would be bloody considering some of the more bonkers things orks can pull off and they're near total lack of worry of collateral damage. The big issue is how quick we realize that unless you burn all the bodies, give it a few years and we have the same problem again and again. It's very hard to root out orks once they hit a planet.

Plus they multiply like bunnies.

As the first Independence Day has shown us, no alien invasion can stand up to Earth's military power as long as we have Will Smith and a redneck in a jet.

"Welcome to 'urf" alien scum. We are ready.

There are people in some america states that could likely kill an ork just by breathing at him.

And if all else fails we could drive orks to mass suicide by playing disco at them...