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So the army list for the Imperium in the new white dwarf is...

Loyal 32
Battalion Detachment

Company Commanders
Boltgun
Warlord Grand Strategist

Company commander
Bolt pistol chainsword
Heirloom Kurvov's Aquilia

3 Infantry Squads (catachan)
30 lasguns

5cp

Supreme Command Detachment
Mephiston

Blood Angels Captain with
Jump pack, thunderhammer, the angel's wing

Blood Angels Captain with
powerfist, jump pack, stormshield

1cp


Super Heavy Detachment
Knight Gallant

Thunderstrike Gauntlet, reaper chainsword

Heavy Stubber,

Warlord Trait : Landstrider

Knight Crusader
Rapid fire battlecannon, avenger gatling cannon, heavy flamer, 2 heavy stubbers,
Heirloom: endless fury


Knight Castellan
Plasma Decimator, volcano lance, four shieldbreaker missiles, 2 twin melta guns, twin siegebreaker cannons

Warlord trait : Ion Bulwark

Hierloom : Cawl's Wrath

total 1991 pts.

Seems fair


Yeah its real, i saw it in my own white dwarf.

Personal Thoughts on this list dakka?

Note : it was between two tournament players!

It's nice Catachans getting screen time!

nareik wrote:
It's nice Catachans getting screen time!

Yeah all 30 of em and the three knights, and two smash captains!

This will definitely put to bed the discussion on soup being intended and supported, and I look forward to the positive, dignified acceptance of that fact from the playerbase.

- "An army that is battle-forged gains 6 command points."

-"All items and character special rules that give command points have been changed to no longer give command points."

-"Detachments no longer give command points."

-"The super-heavy detachment has been removed"

Pay me, Games Workshop.

 BlaxicanX wrote:
- "An army that is battle-forged gains 6 command points."

-"All items and character special rules that give command points have been changed to no longer give command points."

-"Detaxhments no longer give special rules"

-"The super-heavy detachment has been removed"

Pay me, Games Workshop.

...what the frak are you smoking, BlaxicanX?

Lemondish wrote:
This will definitely put to bed the discussion on soup being intended and supported, and I look forward to the positive, dignified acceptance of that fact from the playerbase.

What ever could that mean.

It is not like this list is really cheesy or anything and is basically a top competitive army


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 Dysartes wrote:

 BlaxicanX wrote:
- "An army that is battle-forged gains 6 command points."

-"All items and character special rules that give command points have been changed to no longer give command points."

-"Detaxhments no longer give special rules"

-"The super-heavy detachment has been removed"

Pay me, Games Workshop.

...what the frak are you smoking, BlaxicanX?

New Years Drinks

What I don't get is why would you make such a WAAC list and then not use your last 9 points..?

Yeah, give the CC with the bolt pistol a plasma pistol and give a boltgun to every IG sergeants.

Let's hope that was done so they can see how OP it is and address it. I cannot believe that sort of "army" is in any way, shape or form the way the studio intends 40k to be played. That list offends my senses. Please please tell me that's someone not on the staff playing. Like, did they bring someone in from the tournament circuit to play a game?

Because if the designers actually start to play that sort of trash...

Wayniac wrote:
Let's hope that was done so they can see how OP it is and address it. I cannot believe that sort of "army" is in any way, shape or form the way the studio intends 40k to be played. That list offends my senses. Please please tell me that's someone not on the staff playing. Like, did they bring someone in from the tournament circuit to play a game?

Because if the designers actually start to play that sort of trash...

I think it is someone from the normal group.

I will have to check my white dwarf.

GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

They should try running Necrons vs that list, then maybe they'd see how screwed we are.

What did it face? I'm curious if this was a purposely done "competitive style" battle report? They used to do that from time to time.

Wayniac wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

Where, exactly does this "gak" all over the background? Mephiston traveling with two retainers? Not unheard of. Knights working with either group? No, that's normal too. Seems fine for the Imperium to actually utilize combined arms. Heck, the Knights themselves could've conceivably been a honor guard provided by the locals.

Audustum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

Where, exactly does this "gak" all over the background? Mephiston traveling with two retainers? Not unheard of. Knights working with either group? No, that's normal too. Seems fine for the Imperium to actually utilize combined arms. Heck, the Knights themselves could've conceivably been a honor guard provided by the locals.

32 guardsmen with 3 knights and 3 captains, sure got it. sometimes two of these armies will face each other, it gaks over it cause the mephiston would not travel with two captains, he would travel with a full company at the very least.

Knights traveling with 32 guardsmen is already a stretch mate.

Seems like a pretty normal list.

Don't be upset about toy soldiers in toy magazines not being your favorite color toys. It's a silly thing to he concerned with.

 Asherian Command wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

Where, exactly does this "gak" all over the background? Mephiston traveling with two retainers? Not unheard of. Knights working with either group? No, that's normal too. Seems fine for the Imperium to actually utilize combined arms. Heck, the Knights themselves could've conceivably been a honor guard provided by the locals.

32 guardsmen with 3 knights and 3 captains, sure got it. sometimes two of these armies will face each other, it gaks over it cause the mephiston would not travel with two captains, he would travel with a full company at the very least.

Knights traveling with 32 guardsmen is already a stretch mate.

Source time, please. I'm not seeing where the problem is. Mephiston probably isn't in the physical presence of the entire company the entire time. That would be incredibly awkward. At this moment, he was going someplace smaller (perhaps a location that couldn't fit the company indoors, yeah?). The Knights are part of the local planetary garrison with the Astra Militarum, who were assigned to escort the VIP's from location A to location B for whatever important meeting is happening.

This wouldn't be far fetched in the real world with similar machines. If we had giant mecha-knights everywhere I'd imagine they'd get shown off to important patrons (as Space Marines would be to a local planetary government: a huge source of protection and stability you definitely want to impress). Two officers with your best parade drill infantrymen, your three big, shiniest behemoths and then a plea for support once they get inside.

Clearly this is just one scene on a larger battlefield and those other marines/guardsmen are just off table. Laughing at the anti-competitive rage though.

 Peregrine wrote:
Clearly this is just one scene on a larger battlefield and those other marines/guardsmen are just off table. Laughing at the anti-competitive rage though.

Gasp! It's almost like a "Generic 2000 point game" isn't n interplanetary siege, and just represents a portion of the battlefield, and "warlords" don't represent people actually in charge, and are just there for additional layers of rules.

We know these opinions aren't allowed on Dakka, though.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Clearly this is just one scene on a larger battlefield and those other marines/guardsmen are just off table. Laughing at the anti-competitive rage though.

Gasp! It's almost like a "Generic 2000 point game" isn't n interplanetary siege, and just represents a portion of the battlefield, and "warlords" don't represent people actually in charge, and are just there for additional layers of rules.

We know these opinions aren't allowed on Dakka, though.

Warlord might even just be the person who took charge of the local stuff lying around that is your 2,000 point army. I always assumed the 'true' folks in charge were up in orbit and the ones responsible for assigning random missions in Maelstrom.

Capital Ship Command says go get this objective that's nowhere near you. Wait, based on reports they want you to go kill that specific character. Nevermind, battle spot B says there's too much warp energy, kill psykers before a rift opens, e.t.c. e.t.c.

 Cephalobeard wrote:

 Peregrine wrote:
Clearly this is just one scene on a larger battlefield and those other marines/guardsmen are just off table. Laughing at the anti-competitive rage though.

Gasp! It's almost like a "Generic 2000 point game" isn't n interplanetary siege, and just represents a portion of the battlefield, and "warlords" don't represent people actually in charge, and are just there for additional layers of rules.

We know these opinions aren't allowed on Dakka, though.

I usually try to think of my games as the "Focal point" of a given battle. It's not actually a couple hundred guardsmen fighting off against thirty space marines, the battlefield actually stretches on in every direction, but this battle is where the fighting is most fierce or the objectives are most critical, which is why you tend to get the army's high command and most valuable tanks and fire support all crammed into a tiny space. (Edit: And why both sides tend to take completely unsustainable casualties.)

People play 40k differently.if anything, maybe this will get Competitive players to actually buy a white dwarf (index astartes, Competitive batreps) and introduce them to the more casual playstyles.

The vitriol on this forum towards people who don't play with absolutely good awful mishmashes of units against one another is the most ridiculous thing.

Audustum wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

Where, exactly does this "gak" all over the background? Mephiston traveling with two retainers? Not unheard of. Knights working with either group? No, that's normal too. Seems fine for the Imperium to actually utilize combined arms. Heck, the Knights themselves could've conceivably been a honor guard provided by the locals.

32 guardsmen with 3 knights and 3 captains, sure got it. sometimes two of these armies will face each other, it gaks over it cause the mephiston would not travel with two captains, he would travel with a full company at the very least.

Knights traveling with 32 guardsmen is already a stretch mate.

Source time, please. I'm not seeing where the problem is. Mephiston probably isn't in the physical presence of the entire company the entire time. That would be incredibly awkward. At this moment, he was going someplace smaller (perhaps a location that couldn't fit the company indoors, yeah?). The Knights are part of the local planetary garrison with the Astra Militarum, who were assigned to escort the VIP's from location A to location B for whatever important meeting is happening.

This wouldn't be far fetched in the real world with similar machines. If we had giant mecha-knights everywhere I'd imagine they'd get shown off to important patrons (as Space Marines would be to a local planetary government: a huge source of protection and stability you definitely want to impress). Two officers with your best parade drill infantrymen, your three big, shiniest behemoths and then a plea for support once they get inside.

Blood angels captains wouldn't be running around solo with random assortments of soldiers, they'd be, you know, commanding blood angels. You also wouldn't have two captains who just decided to trot off and feth around with IG. A captain isnt' a captain if it doesn't have anything to command.

Now sure, in the fluff you could have a squad or two of marines supporting guard, but not the freaking captain of detachments roaming around by himself. That's not what military leaders do.

I think it is good that they play these sort of lists. If there are (Ok, not really if...) balance issues which such builds, they're far more likely to be addressed if the GW guys actually play them.

 Cephalobeard wrote:
People play 40k differently.if anything, maybe this will get Competitive players to actually buy a white dwarf (index astartes, Competitive batreps) and introduce them to the more casual playstyles.

The vitriol on this forum towards people who don't play with absolutely good awful mishmashes of units against one another is the most ridiculous thing.

i contend that the god awful mishmash of units is the competition hating tournament players who just want to list-hammer and avoid having to roll actual dice to win a game.

Danny slag wrote:

 Cephalobeard wrote:
People play 40k differently.if anything, maybe this will get Competitive players to actually buy a white dwarf (index astartes, Competitive batreps) and introduce them to the more casual playstyles.

The vitriol on this forum towards people who don't play with absolutely good awful mishmashes of units against one another is the most ridiculous thing.

i contend that the god awful mishmash of units is the competition hating tournament players who just want to list-hammer and avoid having to roll actual dice to win a game.

You're already not making a good point is you're conflating someone "list-hammering" an optimized battleforce in a tournament, a pre-defined competitive environment, as a negative thing.

Wanting to win does not make you a bad person.

Not caring if you win doesn't make you a bad person.

Caring that someone else wants to win makes you a bit of a twit.

Audustum wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

Audustum wrote:

Wayniac wrote:

 Tibs Ironblood wrote:
GW gets gakked on when they bring good lists and they get gakked on when they bring bad lists.

There are good lists and then there are tournament lists that completely gak all over the 40k background material.

Where, exactly does this "gak" all over the background? Mephiston traveling with two retainers? Not unheard of. Knights working with either group? No, that's normal too. Seems fine for the Imperium to actually utilize combined arms. Heck, the Knights themselves could've conceivably been a honor guard provided by the locals.

32 guardsmen with 3 knights and 3 captains, sure got it. sometimes two of these armies will face each other, it gaks over it cause the mephiston would not travel with two captains, he would travel with a full company at the very least.

Knights traveling with 32 guardsmen is already a stretch mate.

Source time, please. I'm not seeing where the problem is. Mephiston probably isn't in the physical presence of the entire company the entire time. That would be incredibly awkward. At this moment, he was going someplace smaller (perhaps a location that couldn't fit the company indoors, yeah?). The Knights are part of the local planetary garrison with the Astra Militarum, who was assigned to escort the VIP's from location A to location B for whatever important meeting is happening.

This wouldn't be far fetched in the real world with similar machines. If we had giant mecha-knights everywhere I'd imagine they'd get shown off to important patrons (as Space Marines would be to a local planetary government: a huge source of protection and stability you definitely want to impress). Two officers with your best parade drill infantrymen, your three big, shiniest behemoths and then a plea for support once they get inside.

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Your the one making the claim it is fluffy.

Name one book where this happens.

Cause space marines usually travel with their brothers not entirely by themselves. A space marine captain would not go off by himself with major commanders. Entirely by themselves. The codex would not allow your commanders to stand by themselves and work alongside knight titans or imperial guard in that manner.

they would at least travel with a bodyguard, or part of a demi-company. Space marines do not send a single character by themselves unless they are the Mentor's Legion which is their specific job and specialization. Dante would not send two captains and a single librarian entirely by themselves no matter who. Even mephiston traveled with his team if you read any of his books.


Three big titans don't go running along with only 30 guardsmen, they try to stay apart from one another, and it wouldn't just be 30 guardsmen but more. this isn't fluffy stop kidding yourself.

Clearly this is just one scene on a larger battlefield and those other marines/guardsmen are just off the table. Laughing at the anti-competitive rage though.

Assumption based on what? This just seems like a competitive list, space marines would not run by themselves even if this is apart of a larger force. Guardsmen would not work that closely with marines unless the circumstances are incredibly rare, if anything the overall commander would be dante or mephiston not a random imperial guard commander. He would have senority.

Don't be upset about toy soldiers in toy magazines not being your favorite color toys. It's a silly thing to be concerned with.

Hello, I would like to first say what a useless post. Not even a consideration, and degrading peoples opinions by calling what they like a children's toy. This is a great way to create a discussion on the matter! No not really. Don't say this ever, this just creates a massive amount of people getting angry at each other and specifically at comments like this. If you have an actual opinion that isn't insulting post it.

While I would agree it should be taken with a grain of salt, telling people they are stupid for having an opinion that boils down to "this doesn't seem right". Doesn't really hold ground when its mostly people saying "It doesn't feel right."

I don't think that opinion of "Don't take it seriously its only a game for children." Degrades the whole conversation. If you have that opinion then don't post your only going to anger everyone here and people are just going to hit the ignore button on you. If you want to contribute to the conversation, fine, but what you said is just rude and inconsiderate of other peoples thoughts and feelings. This people's hobby, people spend and invest time into it. I'm not going to walk up to a Telsa engineer or people who build cars then whom get angry when Telsa feths up their engine and then i would say to them "Well they are just cars who cares! Its only for professionals!" That will just anger them entirely. Saying a gameplay system is just a children's toy is stupid.

That is very dismissive and holds no ground here. People are here to talk about a fact that it is a ultra competitive list, that is used in ITC format and that GW is using it. It might condone the behavior of meta gaming. Which is bad for the hobby as a whole.

Anyone has this opinion of "it's just for children." Don't respect the effort that is put into making these items that you enjoy. These are for a mass media market.

It is specifically designed by companies, and effort is put in. If this was really a children's toy people who put it down and never pick it up, because children's toys, actual ones only last for a couple of years. These are hobbyist items, collector's items, items that take an investment to use and build. Created by a massive company that has monetary and emotional weight behind them. If you think that video games are just 'children toys' then that opinion is not valid. As that degrades me and every single person who has worked on a game project.

I would take note when I enter a conversation whether or not that is empathetic to what people think or want.

No one said they were for children. You wrote a middle school length essay about a point no one argued.