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as you know in 40k terra (earth) is at the centre of the galaxy but in reality it in near the outer im of the galaxy so was it moved along with the whole solar system or is it jus wrong

Inquisition inbound!

It's not our Earth, its a alternate science FICTION universe.

Is Terra meant to be at the centre the galaxy?

It should probably be on the right of the spiral rather than the left - but otherwise its more or less where we are.

deotrims 16th wrote:
as you know in 40k terra (earth) is at the centre of the galaxy but in reality it in near the outer im of the galaxy so was it moved along with the whole solar system or is it jus wrong

Terra is nowhere near the centre of the galaxy. If it was, it would be in the Maelstrom, which wouldn't end well for anyone.

I think that the problem is the newer maps don't show it very well. The older maps show it better. And with the various segmentum centred around Holy Terra it can be misleading.

 Big Mac wrote:
Inquisition inbound!

It's not our Earth, its a alternate science FICTION universe.

But shares all that doesn't really conflict. Obviously stuff like warp etc are added but under those premises it's still our world.

In any case:



Looks pretty much edge for me rather than center. Green arrow pointing at earth.

Or:

That's the imperium, not the galaxy.

BTW the center of the galaxy is a whopping black hole.

Then again as miserable a sh-thole planet as terra is putting in there might be an improvement...

I know what you are saying that on the maps terra isn't dead centre but earth is about as far away from the centre of the galaxy as you can get .

deotrims 16th wrote:
I know what you are saying that on the maps terra isn't dead centre but earth is about as far away from the centre of the galaxy as you can get .

You sure about that? Most projections seem to put Earth around mid-distance from the centre to the outer edge. Which, surprisingly, is actually pretty close to what 40k shows. It's not perfect, but it's fiction.

According to nearly all sources I've seen, no, we're not "as far away from the centre as you can get".

Earth is about 2/3 the way from the center towards the rim.

The 40k galaxy map doesn't really fit with any depictions I've ever seen of what the Milky Way actually looks like. I just chalk that down to artistic licence and the fact that no-one at GW is an astronomer. I don't think it has any narrative relevance.

I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

It probably has - Imperium has plenty of that sort of gear.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

A wizard did it.

It's almost as the IoM is some Human supremacists propaganda cult where facts are Heresy, I suspect its the same sort of coincidence as the Prime Meridian running though London

We're 40,000 light years from galactic central point, we go round every 200m years, and our galaxy is only one of millions of billions in this amazing and expanding universe...

Basically everything I know about astronomy i learned from Monty Python.

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The 40k galaxy map doesn't really fit with any depictions I've ever seen of what the Milky Way actually looks like. I just chalk that down to artistic licence and the fact that no-one at GW is an astronomer. I don't think it has any narrative relevance.

Someone could have consulted an astronomy book.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

Using fictional machines to fix a fictional problem. Makes perfect sense. It does house a special chair with a corpse on it that feeds off a thousand souls a day in order to send messages and guide travelers across space. Is terras atmosphere described anywhere in detail?

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The 40k galaxy map doesn't really fit with any depictions I've ever seen of what the Milky Way actually looks like. I just chalk that down to artistic licence and the fact that no-one at GW is an astronomer. I don't think it has any narrative relevance.

Someone could have consulted an astronomy book.

Indeed. They could have started with 'The Guide To The Milky Way Galaxy As It Will Look After 40000 Years Of Warfare And Technological Golden Ages Of Several Galaxy-Spanning Civilisations', from Harper Collins. Available at all good fictional bookstores.

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

Using fictional machines to fix a fictional problem. Makes perfect sense. It does house a special chair with a corpse on it that feeds off a thousand souls a day in order to send messages and guide travelers across space. Is terras atmosphere described anywhere in detail?

Yeah but the lore doesn't say anything about terra-forming on Terra, the lore says its a barren wasteland devoid of biomass. So until they amend the lore by writing in 'fictional' machines, then it doesn't make sense.

The lore doesn't speak of billions of citizens pooping, so they don't poop ? That doesn't make any sense, we should stop playing this garbage 40k !
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Seriously...

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

Using fictional machines to fix a fictional problem. Makes perfect sense. It does house a special chair with a corpse on it that feeds off a thousand souls a day in order to send messages and guide travelers across space. Is terras atmosphere described anywhere in detail?

Yeah but the lore doesn't say anything about terra-forming on Terra, the lore says its a barren wasteland devoid of biomass. So until they amend the lore by writing in 'fictional' machines, then it doesn't make sense.

You understand that for that to be true, nothing would be living on Terra, right? Humans are still biomass and there are billions on Terra.

 godardc wrote:
The lore doesn't speak of billions of citizens pooping, so they don't poop ? That doesn't make any sense, we should stop playing this garbage 40k !
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Seriously...

I've actually had the idea running around in my head for a while of making an army of imperial janitors or sewer workers. the adeptus cloacarius!*

*i do not speak latin

The "map of the galaxy" as shown in 8e material is a political map of the Imperium, not a geographic (astrographic?) map of the galaxy. If you look at older reference materials you'll see Terra placed about where it's supposed to be, which is why the Ultima Segmentum (the 'quadrant' pointing from Terra towards the center of the galaxy) is way bigger than the other three.

As for the terraforming machines/volume of poop produced by Terra problem this is a way older complaint than 40k; other popular "city-planets" to deconstruct logistically are Coruscant (Star Wars) and Trantor (Foundation), and the latter dates back to the 1940s.

They could just ship the clean air in. There is far silly things in the galaxy than earth not having plants on it. (Assuming that’s what you mean by biomass and not actually biomass as pointed out above).
It would take a couple of sentences to dismiss the whole thing. Machines go around liberating O2 from waste products/CO2 etc and hoover up pollutants. Buildings could have their own.
If you are getting into the sewerage and technicalities all the hive cities are equally flawed. Not to mention the biology of agri-worlds (maybe that is where the poop goes), forgeworlds etc. The simple answer is that there are machines that make it possible. And knowing 40k, very old ones no one understands and that make it only just bearable.

As for the map, it’s not an accurate map of the galaxy, hence all the shrine worlds and alien invasion routes on it. The most common world map distorts the sizes of the countries to and continents massively. It’s no different.

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

Using fictional machines to fix a fictional problem. Makes perfect sense. It does house a special chair with a corpse on it that feeds off a thousand souls a day in order to send messages and guide travelers across space. Is terras atmosphere described anywhere in detail?

Yeah but the lore doesn't say anything about terra-forming on Terra, the lore says its a barren wasteland devoid of biomass. So until they amend the lore by writing in 'fictional' machines, then it doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make any less sense than having air in their space ships.

When you have ships that are capable of staying in space for centuries at a time, it seems fairly clear that they have some way of manufacturing breathable air. Presumably, worlds without viable atmosphere would simply use similar technology on a larger scale. Or some other method entirely... it doesn't really matter. The fact that something isn't explained in the lore doesn't mean that it doesn't exist... just that it hasn't yet been explained in the lore.

Holy Terra is the center of the Imperium because the Astronomicon is basically a spherical emanation. The fact that a large amount of this stretches off into the empty intergalactic void (which isn't empty, just less densely populated with stars and rocks) isn't relevant. So Terra is the center of the galaxy that MATTERS. To humans, anyways.

As to atmospheric processing, as long as you have lots of nearly free energy (i.e. fusion reactors), turning CO2 into 02 is relatively easy. I imagine there are large algae vats for turning CO2 into oxygen and food(like-substances) everywhere, and plenty of vertical farms in huge spires to grow real food for important people to eat. The actually difficult part of all this is dealing with the waste heat from trillions of humans and all the stuff they do, but this could be trivial if the Imperium has the right technologies

Also, the focused worship of the galaxy could well help keep Terra habitable, because the warp can do stuff like that.

Clearly there is a giant statue of liberty cleaning ship with a giant vacuum cleaner that sucks the atmosphere from planets to be given to terra. High lords have air in a can from particularly exotic planets with crisp clean air.

Imperial citizens who do not believe that terra is the center of the galaxy is the equivalent of a flat earther and are mocked for ignoring something that imperial children know for fact and re educated by the inquisition.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
The 40k galaxy map doesn't really fit with any depictions I've ever seen of what the Milky Way actually looks like. I just chalk that down to artistic licence and the fact that no-one at GW is an astronomer. I don't think it has any narrative relevance.

Someone could have consulted an astronomy book.

They could have. Nobody cares, though, and now the layout of the galactic map is nearly a signature of the game setting.

 godardc wrote:
The lore doesn't speak of billions of citizens pooping, so they don't poop ? That doesn't make any sense, we should stop playing this garbage 40k !
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Seriously...

They speak about Mars's Terra forming, which is of lesser importance than Terra.


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 Platuan4th wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:

Andykp wrote:

 Delvarus Centurion wrote:
I want to know how Terra has an atmosphere, no liquid oxygen and no biomass to turn carbon dioxide into oxygen and no oxygen to protect the earth from the sun etc. Terra would need a constant terraforming machine.

Using fictional machines to fix a fictional problem. Makes perfect sense. It does house a special chair with a corpse on it that feeds off a thousand souls a day in order to send messages and guide travelers across space. Is terras atmosphere described anywhere in detail?

Yeah but the lore doesn't say anything about terra-forming on Terra, the lore says its a barren wasteland devoid of biomass. So until they amend the lore by writing in 'fictional' machines, then it doesn't make sense.

You understand that for that to be true, nothing would be living on Terra, right? Humans are still biomass and there are billions on Terra.

There is biomass that consumes oxygen and expels carbon dioxide as in humans, but for life to exist there needs to be equilibrium as in plants to process carbon and expel oxygen or some sort of terra forming.


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Andykp wrote:
They could just ship the clean air in. There is far silly things in the galaxy than earth not having plants on it. (Assuming that’s what you mean by biomass and not actually biomass as pointed out above).
It would take a couple of sentences to dismiss the whole thing. Machines go around liberating O2 from waste products/CO2 etc and hoover up pollutants. Buildings could have their own.
If you are getting into the sewerage and technicalities all the hive cities are equally flawed. Not to mention the biology of agri-worlds (maybe that is where the poop goes), forgeworlds etc. The simple answer is that there are machines that make it possible. And knowing 40k, very old ones no one understands and that make it only just bearable.

As for the map, it’s not an accurate map of the galaxy, hence all the shrine worlds and alien invasion routes on it. The most common world map distorts the sizes of the countries to and continents massively. It’s no different.

I meant other than humans.




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