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I'd vote for holy Terra as the worst planet to live on. The crowding and the levels of ultra paranoid control over every word, gesture, breath, glance every person takes on it must he hell.

Necromunda is bad sure, but hell, the underhive allows some peoplle some freedom for a time. I imagine Terra doesn't have a cubic millimeter that isn't constantly spied on and controlled.

On catachan the hostile life forms will probably kill you if you make one slip, but they don't expect you to worship them while they do it!

Fenris. Ok fenris sucks, but at least there you can get hammered on mjød while you're waiting to freeze, starve or be eaten. On Terra you probably can't get a sip of beer because pleasure is heretical!!!

Nocturne doesn't sound like a party, but at least you get cool glowing red eyes for living there.

So I think holy Terra would be the suckiest planet for a human to live on in 40k. Anyone have any other contenders?

Cadia. Cause it's gonezo already and nommed into the warp.

Jokes, aside. Currently speaking, Armageddon must suck balls to live in, you got Orks constantly roaming around the wastes and the jungles mukkin stuff up and now you've got daemons prowling and causing enough trouble that even Orks and humans are making temporary truces to deal with them.

Krieg is another place that would stink, since it's been nuked and the only export worth giving there is their vast quantity of hardened soldiers. AFAIK though it isn't under siege so it would be out of the running IMO.

Holy Terra isn't great to live on but comparatively speaking it's safer than active warzone areas like Armageddon.

Armageddon maybe? A toxic wasteland overpopulated hive world that currently suffers a state of constant and desperate warfare against the orks on it.

 Grimskul wrote:
Cadia. Cause it's gonezo already and nommed into the warp.

Jokes, aside. Currently speaking, Armageddon must suck balls to live in, you got Orks constantly roaming around the wastes and the jungles mukkin stuff up and now you've got daemons prowling and causing enough trouble that even Orks and humans are making temporary truces to deal with them.

Krieg is another place that would stink, since it's been nuked and the only export worth giving there is their vast quantity of hardened soldiers. AFAIK though it isn't under siege so it would be out of the running IMO.

Holy Terra isn't great to live on but comparatively speaking it's safer than active warzone areas like Armageddon.

Wait choas is on Armageddon? Again!?

Well hipefully this time the inquisition doesnt try to murder all the guardsmen on the planet and start another war with the space wolves.

Ok some good choices. Yeah, Armageddon is so bad humans and orkzes are cooperating against daemons.

I'm not sure Terra is "safe" for people. I mean the paranoia there must be horrible. People are probably killed just become someone in the inquisition, the ecclisiarchy, the custodes, etc, "had a feeling" about them.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Ok some good choices. Yeah, Armageddon is so bad humans and orkzes are cooperating against daemons.

I'm not sure Terra is "safe" for people. I mean the paranoia there must be horrible. People are probably killed just become someone in the inquisition, the ecclisiarchy, the custodes, etc, "had a feeling" about them.

It's safe enough for millions upon millions of pilgrims to make multi generational visits to it. Not to mention that the sheer amount of good needed to support Terra would create a huge infrastructure and market there. It's quite literally the spiritual and economic center of the Imperium. Sure there are awful places that you dont want to be in (as with many places) and no one would notice if you proofed, but you're also not being actively targeted unless you stir up trouble in some way.

Whilst the Inquisition would be strong on Terra its also one of those situations where if you don't rock the boat too much, chances are you're going to be ignored for the most part.


Also don't forget a huge amount of how good or bad it is depends on what social circle you're on. Necromunda is quite nice if you're one of the upper spire nobles. Heck its so nice some of them done super-armour and head down into the Underhive just for a spot of hunting and sport.
Meanwhile if you're in the middle you might be running a major House or a simple worker doing 18 hour shifts and getting a few hours to rest and sleep then back to shift work.

Finally in the Underhive whilst you are free from Imperial control you've got to contend with fanatics, muderers, rapists and those are just the pureblood humans. You've also got cultists (of various kinds); mutants; mutos; beasts; monsters; rich upper hivers come for a hunt; bounty hunters; gang leaders; gang wars; etc... So yeah you're free, you've also got no basic protections nor rights save those you fight for.



One of hte safer worlds are likely the more primitive. Those that are within the protective reach of the Imperium, but which are mostly ignored by the greater bulk of the Empire. There you're only threat would be Chaos; otherwise you might even enjoy a level of respect and notice by the local bureaucracy. Especially if its not a hive world and thus not built around the idea of being a planet-sized factory.

Baal has to be a contender, an irradiated mad max style desert full of lethal beasties where everything is tinted red because of the light from its sun and even some of the water is alive and wants to kill you (Thirst Water).

I would also mention pre-fall Cadia as a terrible place to live. Forced conscription in a ruthless military from birth to death; life in a monitered fortress in an acitve warzone; mind numbing and body breaking exercises everyday when you aren't in combat or in sentry duty; life a stone throw away from hell itself. The only positive part is that polution, crushing poverty and overpopulation isn't an issue.

Pandion40 wrote:
Baal has to be a contender, an irradiated mad max style desert full of lethal beasties where everything is tinted red because of the light from its sun and even some of the water is alive and wants to kill you (Thirst Water).

Hmm, gonna have to look that up.


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I would also mention pre-fall Cadia as a terrible place to live. Forced conscription in a ruthless military from birth to death; life in a monitered fortress in an acitve warzone; mind numbing and body breaking exercises everyday when you aren't in combat or in sentry duty; life a stone throw away from hell itself. The only positive part is that polution, crushing poverty and overpopulation isn't an issue.

Weren't kids left naked in forests by their parents as a survival test? And as much as the paranoia and "we're killing you because you might possibly become a heretic someday" line might have gone on cadia it'd be 10^20 worse on Terra...

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

Pandion40 wrote:
Baal has to be a contender, an irradiated mad max style desert full of lethal beasties where everything is tinted red because of the light from its sun and even some of the water is alive and wants to kill you (Thirst Water).

Hmm, gonna have to look that up.

Should be able to find it easy enough on the wiki or Lexicanum sites, for more official sources obviously the Blood Angels codex is good, but in my opinion the best source of info on Baal and it’s moons is the novel Dante, it follows the childhood and recruitment of the Blood Angels chapter master. Giant scorpions and giant birds of pray, plus Thirst Water, that stuff even gave the nids pause during the Devastation of Baal novel (sequel to Dante)

Space Wolf recruits arrive as strong hardened young warriors, Blood Angel recruits arrive with their growth stunted due to malnutrition and with melanomas and other cancers extremely common due to all the radiation. Not saying which is worse, that’s a matter of opinion, Both are hard worlds but very different.


The Flesh Tearers homeworld Cretacia is another Deathworld you may want to look at, don’t know as much about it but Ragnar of the wolves visited it in his novel that came out a few years ago. it’s described as a jungle world where almost everything is poisonous.

 Grimskul wrote:
It's safe enough for millions upon millions of pilgrims to make multi generational visits to it. Not to mention that the sheer amount of good needed to support Terra would create a huge infrastructure and market there. It's quite literally the spiritual and economic center of the Imperium. Sure there are awful places that you dont want to be in (as with many places) and no one would notice if you proofed, but you're also not being actively targeted unless you stir up trouble in some way.

Carrion Throne by Chris Wraight is set on Terra and goes into quite a bit of detail about life on Terra and how fething miserable it is for the vast majority of its populace. It's a hive city cranked up to 11.

"A vessel blasted off from a sancitoned landing site on Terra every millisecond, so they said. Another landed to take its place not long after. They arrived full, they left empty. The Throneworld did not trade with the rest of the Imperium - it consumed it. Goods were sucked in from every corner of every segmentum, dragged out from the holds of the leviathans that carried them, seized by the ravenous populace and devoured, and it was never enough. A million cargo-lifters might touch down in a single hour, and still thousands would starve. Any delay in the endless circular passage, and tens of thousands would die. Like a hopeless opiate addict, the populace could never be satisfied, never given enough. The birthplace of humanity now squatted like some obscene, famished infant at the heart of its web of stellar kingdoms, ingesting the last dregs of energy out of the straggling fringes and gulping them down into greedy oblivion."

As for those pilgrims, it's also set during Sanguinala and dealing with the massive influx of pilgrims during the holiday is a plot point. It mentions how most who set out to make the journey and make it to the solar system don't even get to step foot on Terra. They die in holding pens waiting for their paperwork to be processed. And if you do make it on to Terra, you'll probably be killed during the devotional processions when you flagellate yourself to death or get trampled by a stampede of zealots.

I think the imperial fists recruited a child pilgrim who reached Terra and was found by a fist who had heard of him.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I think the imperial fists recruited a child pilgrim who reached Terra and was found by a fist who had heard of him.

That's Lysander you're thinking of.


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 Coolyo294 wrote:

 Grimskul wrote:
It's safe enough for millions upon millions of pilgrims to make multi generational visits to it. Not to mention that the sheer amount of good needed to support Terra would create a huge infrastructure and market there. It's quite literally the spiritual and economic center of the Imperium. Sure there are awful places that you dont want to be in (as with many places) and no one would notice if you proofed, but you're also not being actively targeted unless you stir up trouble in some way.

Carrion Throne by Chris Wraight is set on Terra and goes into quite a bit of detail about life on Terra and how fething miserable it is for the vast majority of its populace. It's a hive city cranked up to 11.

"A vessel blasted off from a sancitoned landing site on Terra every millisecond, so they said. Another landed to take its place not long after. They arrived full, they left empty. The Throneworld did not trade with the rest of the Imperium - it consumed it. Goods were sucked in from every corner of every segmentum, dragged out from the holds of the leviathans that carried them, seized by the ravenous populace and devoured, and it was never enough. A million cargo-lifters might touch down in a single hour, and still thousands would starve. Any delay in the endless circular passage, and tens of thousands would die. Like a hopeless opiate addict, the populace could never be satisfied, never given enough. The birthplace of humanity now squatted like some obscene, famished infant at the heart of its web of stellar kingdoms, ingesting the last dregs of energy out of the straggling fringes and gulping them down into greedy oblivion."

As for those pilgrims, it's also set during Sanguinala and dealing with the massive influx of pilgrims during the holiday is a plot point. It mentions how most who set out to make the journey and make it to the solar system don't even get to step foot on Terra. They die in holding pens waiting for their paperwork to be processed. And if you do make it on to Terra, you'll probably be killed during the devotional processions when you flagellate yourself to death or get trampled by a stampede of zealots.

Right, I never said Terra was a nice place to live in, however, it's far from the worst place to live in compared to active warzones like Armageddon where you can become the playthings of daemons or hacked apart by Orks.

My cynical side wonders if a lot of he pilgrims coming to terra end up contributing to the planet's dietary requirements.

Soylent grey, anyone?

Incidentally and I hate to drag the dreaded spectre of "realism" (waits for gales of laughter to subside) into this, but, a gigantic population with a constant inflow of stuff, one assumes mostly food, coming in and nothing going out, would result in a lot of you know what being produced. Megatons of it every minute, maybe.

So, where does all the sh-t go?

I've always had the idea of hive worlds sending sewage back to agri worlds for fertilizer. Ships come in with megatons of food, leave with megatons of sh-t in them. Try like hell not to get shipments mixed up.

One could imagine that terra must export the nasty stuff or be hip deep in it. Literally. I suppose the gak exported from terra to agri worlds would be held in special regard, being, literally, "holy sh-t". (yeah I know that was a bad one.)

I imagine whole fleets of warp vessels that the masses would crudely call "sh-tships" plying the void, their captains and crews mocked and scorned, emperor knows what going on it their hidden spaces. Yet oddly enough traveling the warp fairly safely as even most daemons would tend to look down on them. I mean ever daemons have some standards!

There could be a story there actually.

Death Worlds in general. They're full of stuff trying to kill you - be it alive creatures or just substances.

However, the most oppressing must be Forge Worlds. You're already just a serial number working most of a day and no real kind of relieve from work. Also, one serious mistake and you become a servitor

 Techpriestsupport wrote:

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My cynical side wonders if a lot of he pilgrims coming to terra end up contributing to the planet's dietary requirements.

Soylent grey, anyone?

Incidentally and I hate to drag the dreaded spectre of "realism" (waits for gales of laughter to subside) into this, but, a gigantic population with a constant inflow of stuff, one assumes mostly food, coming in and nothing going out, would result in a lot of you know what being produced. Megatons of it every minute, maybe.

So, where does all the sh-t go?

I've always had the idea of hive worlds sending sewage back to agri worlds for fertilizer. Ships come in with megatons of food, leave with megatons of sh-t in them. Try like hell not to get shipments mixed up.

One could imagine that terra must export the nasty stuff or be hip deep in it. Literally. I suppose the gak exported from terra to agri worlds would be held in special regard, being, literally, "holy sh-t". (yeah I know that was a bad one.)

I imagine whole fleets of warp vessels that the masses would crudely call "sh-tships" plying the void, their captains and crews mocked and scorned, emperor knows what going on it their hidden spaces. Yet oddly enough traveling the warp fairly safely as even most daemons would tend to look down on them. I mean ever daemons have some standards!

There could be a story there actually.

Considering human waste is about 70% water, I'd imagine they dehydrate it first, recycle the water, and send the solid waste off world as fertilizer. The average human drops a bit under 1/2 Kg per day, not sure the population of Terra, but pretty sure is going to be a large amount of waste, every single day.

So, anyone for a nice cool glass of recycled human waste water...?

So the one true power on Terra is whoever is in charge of the sewers?
Think about it, how long could the population bear a shutdown of the waste processing on such a ridiculously overpopulated world? He who control the pipes controls the planet!

Alternatively, do you think that tactic could be used as a xenos repellent?

I bet Vigilus isn't exactly a great place right now - what with the every faction battle royale practically. And set to get worse from my understanding.

Tiennos wrote:
So the one true power on Terra is whoever is in charge of the sewers?
Think about it, how long could the population bear a shutdown of the waste processing on such a ridiculously overpopulated world? He who control the pipes controls the planet!

Alternatively, do you think that tactic could be used as a xenos repellent?

Medieval defensive stratagem dictates that throwing gak at your enemy is indeed a valid stratagem during siege.

Considering how much we don't do without plumbers today i'd imagine that they would become even more important.

Alternativly he who controlls the energy would probably also be very high up the food chain on terra.

As for my guess of the worst planet, any hiveworld, lowest floor = worst place in the imperium.
(especially during sieges, not only will you be one of the first floor to get visitors you also have to deal with more scarcitiy)

Cadia good luck breathing or living for very long.

Grimskul wrote:
Right, I never said Terra was a nice place to live in, however, it's far from the worst place to live in compared to active warzones like Armageddon where you can become the playthings of daemons or hacked apart by Orks.

I’d agree. Terra is pretty miserable, but the elites still have their nice things, and ultimately the pilgrims kinda chose to go there. Inhabitants of active war zones don’t really have these luxuries.

Techpriestsupport wrote:My cynical side wonders if a lot of he pilgrims coming to terra end up contributing to the planet's dietary requirements.

Soylent grey, anyone?

They do! It's called corpse starch.

Vector Strike wrote:
However, the most oppressing must be Forge Worlds. You're already just a serial number working most of a day and no real kind of relieve from work. Also, one serious mistake and you become a servitor

On top of that, I seem to recall reading that the procedure doesn’t necessarily turn the person into a vegetable, so whatever’s left of their mind gets trapped in there with no control over the body.

 NoiseMarine with Tinnitus wrote:
I bet Vigilus isn't exactly a great place right now - what with the every faction battle royale practically. And set to get worse from my understanding.

holy gak. just looked it up and literally the only factions without a presence on the planet are the Tau amd The Necrons. ten bucks says its also somehow a Necron Tomb World. now we just have to find a way to get some Tau on planet and make it a necron Tomb World and we could have what i think wpuld be 40ks first ever all faction battle royale.

 Grimskul wrote:

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Ok some good choices. Yeah, Armageddon is so bad humans and orkzes are cooperating against daemons.

I'm not sure Terra is "safe" for people. I mean the paranoia there must be horrible. People are probably killed just become someone in the inquisition, the ecclisiarchy, the custodes, etc, "had a feeling" about them.

It's safe enough for millions upon millions of pilgrims to make multi generational visits to it. Not to mention that the sheer amount of good needed to support Terra would create a huge infrastructure and market there. It's quite literally the spiritual and economic center of the Imperium. Sure there are awful places that you dont want to be in (as with many places) and no one would notice if you proofed, but you're also not being actively targeted unless you stir up trouble in some way.

The problem with Terra being a big market is the fact it priced out all but 0.0001% of the galactic elite. One quote even pointed out a single room on Terra can buy you vast palatial fortress on any paradise world you care to name. Pilgrims are only allowed in because the Church has quite a lot of influence and can throw some coins at travelers as charity. Otherwise, frakk off, you'd need to be a sector governor, head of rogue trader family, or chapter master of one of the most famous SM chapters to even start thinking of affording going there...

This seems like a weird question. I mean, Jupiter is in the Imperium, right? You'd die immediately. How about Venus? Dead.

Presumably there are millions of planets in the Imperium that are entirely inhospitable to life. Balls of magma, chlorine gas atmospheres, crushing pressure, zero atmosphere, etc.

And people are nominating planets that an unprotected human could live on for minutes, or even hours? Terra is positively paradise compared to Venus, with that 890°F surface temperature.

I would think the worst planet to live on would be the one you'd live the shortest on, and it seems like there would be a huge abundance of those.

Planets where unprotected (or even moderately protected) humans can live long enough to grow to reproductive age aren't even vaguely near the 'worst'.

Thread is worst planet to live on. Not worst planet to die on.

Even so I think 40k offers suffering greater than the relatively quick clean deaths you suggest.

Points awarded to you though for the interesting twist.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
I'd vote for holy Terra as the worst planet to live on. The crowding and the levels of ultra paranoid control over every word, gesture, breath, glance every person takes on it must he hell.

Necromunda is bad sure, but hell, the underhive allows some peoplle some freedom for a time. I imagine Terra doesn't have a cubic millimeter that isn't constantly spied on and controlled.

On catachan the hostile life forms will probably kill you if you make one slip, but they don't expect you to worship them while they do it!

Fenris. Ok fenris sucks, but at least there you can get hammered on mjød while you're waiting to freeze, starve or be eaten. On Terra you probably can't get a sip of beer because pleasure is heretical!!!

Nocturne doesn't sound like a party, but at least you get cool glowing red eyes for living there.

So I think holy Terra would be the suckiest planet for a human to live on in 40k. Anyone have any other contenders?

Mjod is a poison that causes paralysis in the liver so getting hammered on Mjod is a bad idea as well as most likely impossible, if you aren’t a Space Marine equivalent it will kill you.

My vote is for Crectacia, home planet of the Flesh Tearers. Crectatia is a grim dark version of Australia and the Amazon mixed together, everything is either poisonous or venomous including the water, anything big enough to be able to eat you wants to eat you and it is as dangerously hot as Fenris is dangerously cold, I would rather dangerously cold any day of the week, you can put on clothes and seek shelter to dodge the cold. There is a point in the heat where neither of those helps, heat can be so invasive that shelter becomes any better than stifling and you can only take off so many sets of clothes.

Catachan.
The planet is so harsh that even the plants want to eat you.
Just assume the animal life does - because it does.
The water probably actively wants to kill you, also.

It's like a toned down version of Australia. Where they send the grommets for a wnter holiday camp.

Where as soon as you're old enough to walk, you're taught to use a gun.

Where the entire premise is taken from a Harry Harrison novel - called "Deathworld".

Oh!

I finally thought of one.

Tyran.

In the luxury pleasure domes on Vigilis?

Surely nothing so good can last so long in the grimdark!