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What if the Emperor intended to be a god because of the reflection in the warp of the Imperium worshipping him. I mean the Imperial cult is everywhere and dominates a lot of Imperials lives, I don't see why that would not have the same affect as the Eldar's excesses. Maybe he is trying to become a god or is trying to usher in a new warp god. I know this has been beaten like a dead horse but I was re-reading Betrayer and their is a part where Lorgar is said to have seen a future where the warp worshipped the Emperor.

Take it with a grain of salt. A big one.

Lorgar was obsessed with worshiping things. He had a deep need to worship. People like him have a feeling of personal insecurity and need to believe therecs something greater they can placate and kortow into caring about them.

Lorgar needed to worship and saw everything thru that lens. Consider that when evaluating his visions of the future.

 Techpriestsupport wrote:
Take it with a grain of salt. A big one.

Lorgar was obsessed with worshiping things. He had a deep need to worship. People like him have a feeling of personal insecurity and need to believe therecs something greater they can placate and kortow into caring about them.

Lorgar needed to worship and saw everything thru that lens. Consider that when evaluating his visions of the future.

It was an off the cuff comment so I do take it with a grain of salt, but you are completely wrong about Lorgar, Lorgar was the only one during the heresy (at least) that saw the pantheon for what they were, he listened to them but he never trusted anything they told him. Lorgar was the weak coward before he found the gods but he was anything but after that, and I say that as someone who is not a Lorgar fan lol Plus the vision shows credibility in its possibility, the gods would not want one of their followers believing that was a possibility. So I don;t believe it will necessarily happen but I think its definitely possible.

I don't see it. The HH novels make it pretty clear that not only did he want to stamp out any type of religion or worship, he wanted humanity to have little to no need for psykers or the warp. If the webway project had worked, Astropaths and Navigators would have likely been slaughtered in mass.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I don't see it. The HH novels make it pretty clear that not only did he want to stamp out any type of religion or worship, he wanted humanity to have little to no need for psykers or the warp. If the webway project had worked, Astropaths and Navigators would have likely been slaughtered in mass.

They've showed his actions, there has been no novel in which the Emperors opinions have been shown as in first person narrative. Everything that he has said or done has been in telling people what he wants or thinks. The HH novels have purposefully not shown what he really thinks only what he does. As for Astropaths and Navigators, I'm not sure what they have to do with anything. He destroyed all churches and stopped all formal religions from existing but he could have easily did that to make way for him being the religion and a god. The crusade was hundreds of years old, its a long time for humans to forget religion and perfect for him to become a god and have no competition from other religions.

HoundsofDemos wrote:
I don't see it. The HH novels make it pretty clear that not only did he want to stamp out any type of religion or worship, he wanted humanity to have little to no need for psykers or the warp. If the webway project had worked, Astropaths and Navigators would have likely been slaughtered in mass.

That's quite the retcon; the original story was that the Emperor wanted to shepherd humanity's emergence as a psychic species. Eventually psykers would become the norm, not a rare mutation (and the rate of emergence is ever-growing), but it was this early stage when humanity has the power to be dangerous but not the control that needed his guidance and leadership.

Indeed. In Master of Mankind, the Emperor explains how he is trying to create a safe space for humanity to mature as a psychic species.

In an ideal world, a child will take a sip of beer, pull a face and spit it out. An adult will have the experience to drink in moderation and avoid the problems of excess. It is the adolescent who is most at risk and needs guidance and/or prohibition. Humanity in 40K is in a dangerous adolescent phase.

But it isn’t worship that sustains the chaos gods, it’s emotion.