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Been noticing that many classics, sch as Goblins, wolf riders, doom diver and more has been removed from the gw store. Anyone knows how to find out what's being removed before its too late?
the "last chance to buy" seems to be a worthless notification as it doesen't seem to work.
any advice is highly appreciated!

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Pretty much any old model pre AOS will be OOP very soon.

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Checking last chance to buy at least once a week is probably the best option, and once they start showing info about a new release/codex on Warhammer community make sure you grab anything you can't live without as the culls seem to happen around the time a codex or big bunch of new stuff drops


I'm guessing stuff only hits the 'last chance to buy' section if they've got some sort of stockpile in the warehouse when they decide to discontinue something

(or if they only have the odd box it may just show up there and then vanish again really fast)

but a fair number of things that have vanished have then shown up again with a new box/instructions around the time their codex gets a big new drop (this means a new barcode number which is why the old listing dissapears)

so if you keep checking some of them may reappear

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 Whiskered wrote:
Pretty much any old model pre AOS will be OOP very soon.


All except the stuff that has moved into new books.
Flesh Eater Courts for example, that kind of thing.

But anything that doesn’t fit the new AoS style for sure is going..
   
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If its resin, its going by 2022.

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This has been happening since the 1980's and the introduction of the slotta base..

You can still buy those miniatures even after they are OOP, and for many, many years after, and it's easier than ever now with eBay and social media communities.

GW can only produce so many lines at once, and it's absolutely not the end of the world!

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 Pacific wrote:
You can still buy those miniatures even after they are OOP, and for many, many years after, and it's easier than ever now with eBay and social media communities.

But you may have to pay a premium for out-of-production products, and shipping costs tend to be a lot higher when buying from private sellers.
   
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There are soooo many kits that can disappear at any moment.
Ever since they pulled Imperial Guard regiments without a warning I started buying "must haves". Including some Stone Trolls which just a few weeks after disappeared.

Also it might help to send GW a email and ask for a made to order, or post on facebook etc.
I did and probably many other when vostroyans got removed and they came back for 1 week.

Sadly there are more that I want than I can afford to buy. So a last chance notice would really help.

Some patterns of removal are:
-When there is a new model replacing the old one (black coach)
-Metal models.
-Finecast models.
-Models with square bases in the webstore.

But nothing is certain:(
   
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Nothing is certain buy what you can now - and expect AOS to have more of this at present as GW redefines it. AoS is messy because its still carrying all the issues with its terrible original launch along with it.

I'm pretty sure if GW of today launched AoS they'd have just kept all the old armies and ported them over and steadily released updated sculpts. Instead we've got a mish mash where some factions are comprised of a single model or even one option from a duel kit; whilst other factions have multiple models and a vast array of choices.

It's messy and only GW knows the long term plan of what is to be.

So in general if there's a model you want in an army that hasn't got a Battletome then its already at risk. Anything in finecast is at very high risk and anything very old is also at higher risk. Note that this isn't set in stone - for example the Slaanesh Demon is almost guaranteed not to be lost as a model concept - but we also know its veyr likely the replacement will be a lot bigger (based on the other 3 gods).

So some things are pretty "safe" so long as the faction itself is safe. Also the "AoS style" is sort of not really a thing and yet it is a thing. It will vary lots based on the armies GW wants to promote and their production slots so some old-style stuff might well kick around for longer until GW can replace it.



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 Overread wrote:
It's messy and only GW knows the long term plan of what is to be.


Do you think they really have a long term plan, or are they just bouncing from idea to idea when their lightbulbs go off?

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 Dysartes wrote:
 Overread wrote:
It's messy and only GW knows the long term plan of what is to be.


Do you think they really have a long term plan, or are they just bouncing from idea to idea when their lightbulbs go off?


Depends on how you define a long-term plan - at the recent New Year’s Open Day the Specialist Games team said they've got the next 5-years worth of Adeptus Titanicus planned out.
   
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 Dysartes wrote:
 Overread wrote:
It's messy and only GW knows the long term plan of what is to be.


Do you think they really have a long term plan, or are they just bouncing from idea to idea when their lightbulbs go off?


Considering how long it can take to go from concept to model in a box on the shelf I think they do have a long term plan. However I think for AoS the long term plan changed at least twice in a big way.

It's first change was from launch to the Generals Handbook release which was a massive turn around. I'd say the second big change was the 2.0 release which wasn't so much a single point of major change, but cemented a series of smaller changes that had been evolving since the 1.0 release.

I think right now AoS is on the rails and running smoother to a more secure long term plan that is proving to work in the short term (popular and selling models). That said it still has to deal with the baggage of its original setup which, for many factions without a Battletome, are still running on the old structure from its original launch.





Personally I think the original launch idea was to fracture armies into loads of subfactions and then steadily roll out new subfactions and retire others. Making it into a rolling series of ever evolving armies which were "united" under the grand alliance system; but also allowed GW to make products that were not requiring long term investment in support. Instead they were going to produce awesome models - sell them until the moulds broke and then replace with a new model investment and sell those etc... Making it more a rolling series of boutique models with casual rules on the side.

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 Overread wrote:

Considering how long it can take to go from concept to model in a box on the shelf I think they do have a long term plan. However I think for AoS the long term plan changed at least twice in a big way.

It's first change was from launch to the Generals Handbook release which was a massive turn around. I'd say the second big change was the 2.0 release which wasn't so much a single point of major change, but cemented a series of smaller changes that had been evolving since the 1.0 release.

I think right now AoS is on the rails and running smoother to a more secure long term plan that is proving to work in the short term (popular and selling models). That said it still has to deal with the baggage of its original setup which, for many factions without a Battletome, are still running on the old structure from its original launch.

Personally I think the original launch idea was to fracture armies into loads of subfactions and then steadily roll out new subfactions and retire others. Making it into a rolling series of ever evolving armies which were "united" under the grand alliance system; but also allowed GW to make products that were not requiring long term investment in support. Instead they were going to produce awesome models - sell them until the moulds broke and then replace with a new model investment and sell those etc... Making it more a rolling series of boutique models with casual rules on the side.


What do you think caused them to change direction? Do you think it was it because of consumer vocalization alone or do you think the original idea was actually hurting the bottom line?
   
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 Ginjitzu wrote:
 Overread wrote:

Considering how long it can take to go from concept to model in a box on the shelf I think they do have a long term plan. However I think for AoS the long term plan changed at least twice in a big way.

It's first change was from launch to the Generals Handbook release which was a massive turn around. I'd say the second big change was the 2.0 release which wasn't so much a single point of major change, but cemented a series of smaller changes that had been evolving since the 1.0 release.

I think right now AoS is on the rails and running smoother to a more secure long term plan that is proving to work in the short term (popular and selling models). That said it still has to deal with the baggage of its original setup which, for many factions without a Battletome, are still running on the old structure from its original launch.

Personally I think the original launch idea was to fracture armies into loads of subfactions and then steadily roll out new subfactions and retire others. Making it into a rolling series of ever evolving armies which were "united" under the grand alliance system; but also allowed GW to make products that were not requiring long term investment in support. Instead they were going to produce awesome models - sell them until the moulds broke and then replace with a new model investment and sell those etc... Making it more a rolling series of boutique models with casual rules on the side.


What do you think caused them to change direction? Do you think it was it because of consumer vocalization alone or do you think the original idea was actually hurting the bottom line?


Money, always, every time. Fans can and will bemoan any decision GW makes, but until it hits them in the pocketbook, it's just wind and sound.

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 Overread wrote:
Nothing is certain buy what you can now - and expect AOS to have more of this at present as GW redefines it. AoS is messy because its still carrying all the issues with its terrible original launch along with it.

I'm pretty sure if GW of today launched AoS they'd have just kept all the old armies and ported them over and steadily released updated sculpts. Instead we've got a mish mash where some factions are comprised of a single model or even one option from a duel kit; whilst other factions have multiple models and a vast array of choices.

It's messy and only GW knows the long term plan of what is to be.

So in general if there's a model you want in an army that hasn't got a Battletome then its already at risk. Anything in finecast is at very high risk and anything very old is also at higher risk. Note that this isn't set in stone - for example the Slaanesh Demon is almost guaranteed not to be lost as a model concept - but we also know its veyr likely the replacement will be a lot bigger (based on the other 3 gods).

So some things are pretty "safe" so long as the faction itself is safe. Also the "AoS style" is sort of not really a thing and yet it is a thing. It will vary lots based on the armies GW wants to promote and their production slots so some old-style stuff might well kick around for longer until GW can replace it.




I cannot agree more than enough. I bought into AoS with Greenskinz because I love the Orc models. But seeing that Greenskinz don't get a battletome nor any updates to the army I'm starting to think they will be phased out. I bought up multiple SC boxes so I can have that beloved O&G army that I always wanted.

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UK

 Stormonu wrote:
 Ginjitzu wrote:
 Overread wrote:

Considering how long it can take to go from concept to model in a box on the shelf I think they do have a long term plan. However I think for AoS the long term plan changed at least twice in a big way.

It's first change was from launch to the Generals Handbook release which was a massive turn around. I'd say the second big change was the 2.0 release which wasn't so much a single point of major change, but cemented a series of smaller changes that had been evolving since the 1.0 release.

I think right now AoS is on the rails and running smoother to a more secure long term plan that is proving to work in the short term (popular and selling models). That said it still has to deal with the baggage of its original setup which, for many factions without a Battletome, are still running on the old structure from its original launch.

Personally I think the original launch idea was to fracture armies into loads of subfactions and then steadily roll out new subfactions and retire others. Making it into a rolling series of ever evolving armies which were "united" under the grand alliance system; but also allowed GW to make products that were not requiring long term investment in support. Instead they were going to produce awesome models - sell them until the moulds broke and then replace with a new model investment and sell those etc... Making it more a rolling series of boutique models with casual rules on the side.


What do you think caused them to change direction? Do you think it was it because of consumer vocalization alone or do you think the original idea was actually hurting the bottom line?


Money, always, every time. Fans can and will bemoan any decision GW makes, but until it hits them in the pocketbook, it's just wind and sound.


Money, but also customer feedback.
Lets not forget as AoS changed in a big way GW Management changed too. They shifted from a very closed company approach to a very open one. Kirby was semi famous for saying he didn't need market research to "know what gamers wanted" yet AoS, which was pretty much the full embodiment of his policies, failed pretty darn hard. Even though it did get some fans and players it had no lasting power and in its launch state was likely to be a very quick-burn product that fast fell into just a plastic line of boutique models.
However it was worse because it made an instant negative fanbase of its own from most of the old fantasy players and those who had been on the fence about starting fantasy. So not only was AoS contending with its own internal issues, it also ahd a huge hate base that really really hated it.
It's very hard to get people playing a game if your gaming community has people who have an active hate of the product! Esp in wargames where so much relies on the local scene and players.

I think that sparked many of the changes we've seen from GW. The realisation that customer feedback was critical; that listening to the market was critical; that having their own community input was all important (as of today GW is putting out so much of its own media that they are not as heavily relying on just local gamers to promote their game any more - GW is doing a LOT of it themselves directly and not just in their own stores but online).

So AoS has had some big directional changes as a product, though I would say almost all have been for the benefit of gamers and GW.

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 Overread wrote:


Money, but also customer feedback.
Lets not forget as AoS changed in a big way GW Management changed too. They shifted from a very closed company approach to a very open one. Kirby was semi famous for saying he didn't need market research to "know what gamers wanted" yet AoS, which was pretty much the full embodiment of his policies, failed pretty darn hard. Even though it did get some fans and players it had no lasting power and in its launch state was likely to be a very quick-burn product that fast fell into just a plastic line of boutique models.
However it was worse because it made an instant negative fanbase of its own from most of the old fantasy players and those who had been on the fence about starting fantasy. So not only was AoS contending with its own internal issues, it also ahd a huge hate base that really really hated it.
It's very hard to get people playing a game if your gaming community has people who have an active hate of the product! Esp in wargames where so much relies on the local scene and players.


Don't forget they also decided to do this just before the launch of arguably their biggest video game tie-in which was set in the world they just blew up in order to launch Sigmar.

That fact alone highlights how terrible the management decisions of GW were at that time.

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It is sad that the classic Orcs and Goblins are being phased out. I really like the Common Goblins, even though they are old sculpts, and I like Common Orcs too. I have a large army though, so I don't feel the need to buy more of them, and I can get replacements from Mantic if needs be.

Orcs and Goblins were such a distinctive part of Warhammer, and they fed into the common conception of an Orc probably more than any other single vision of the creatures due to being popularised by Warcraft and so on.

I really dislike the Orruks or whatever (FFS I hate the new names), the design is too "40K" and loses a lot of the charm, and the new monsters look really goofy. Added to that, they are dramatically overpriced. The Orruks also have lost a lot of the charm of the old O&G and are more direct clones of 40K orks now. I like Orks, but I liked that Orcs were something a little different. Maybe I should pick up one last box of boar boyz before they go.

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Totally agreed with all that Da Boss. I am currently franticly trying to fill out the ranks of my army before things go oop or are replaced (finding older fanatics is proving troublesome).

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And there goes Orruk Warboss on Wyvern bye bye.
   
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The Start Collecting is gone too, as is the Boar Chariot, and the Boar Boyz even! Jesus. I think I will actually go and get some of those if I can this week. I always vaguely intended to beef up my plastic boar boyz unit to 10.

I am shaking my head here. Orcs were so central to WFB. Sad day.

   
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Some of them are having a Made to Order (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2019/01/20/coming-soon-made-to-order-orcs-and-goblins/), and we'll know more about the Start Collecting! boxes next month.
   
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thanks for the info everyone. I wonder which army will be next:(?
   
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Based on rumour engine pictures, there seems to be some updates to chaos/darkoath and chaos space marine.
So stuff like chaos marauders and finecast sorcerer could be in danger.
They also said they would do more slaanesh stuff so old keeper of secrets and lord of slaanesh might disappear pretty soon.


   
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DONT rely on 'Last Chance to Buy', too many items ghost away without that status.

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