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Assume the following:

A Transport is set up on the battlefield during deployment with Unit 1 embarked within it (using all of the Transport's capacity).
Unit 2 is set up on the battlefield during deployment near the Transport.

The controlling player wants Units 1 and 2 to move toward a Target. To that end, the player performs the following actions in the following order in the Movement phase of the first turn:

1. Unit 1 is picked to move and disembarks from the Transport and sets up on the battlefield within 3" of Transport (but toward Target).
2. Unit 1 then "acts normally" and moves (or Advances, whatever) toward the target.
3. Unit 2 is picked to move, ends its move entirely within 3" of Transport, and embarks within it.
4. The Transport is picked to move and moves toward Target.

Is this legal?

I believe that it is because (a) the units involved are picked to move individually and each completes its move before the next is picked, and (b) the only disembarking happens before the Transport moves. Moreover, no unit both embarks and disembarks in the same turn, and the Transport's capacity is never exceeded.

Am I missing something here?

I know this isn't game breaking or anything, but the one transport is kind of pulling double duty. Unit 2 gets a full regular ride, and Unit 1 gets sort of a "free boost" of almost 4" (4.5" if on 40 mm bases) toward where it wants to go.

[Edit: typo.]

Greywing wrote:
Assume the following:

A Transport is set up on the battlefield during deployment with Unit 1 embarked within it (using all of the Transport's capacity).
Unit 2 is set up on the battlefield during deployment near the Transport.

The controlling player wants Units 1 and 2 to move toward a Target. To that end, the player performs the following actions in the following order in the Movement phase of the first turn:

1. Unit 1 is picked to move and disembarks from the Transport and sets up on the battlefield within 3" of Transport (but toward Target).
2. Unit 1 then "acts normally" and moves (or Advances, whatever) toward the target.
3. Unit 2 is picked to move, ends its move entirely within 3" of Transport, and embarks within it.
4. The Transport is picked to move and moves toward Target.

Is this legal?

I believe that it is because (a) the units involved are picked to move individually and each completes its move before the next is picked, and (b) the only disembarking happens before the Transport moves. Moreover, no unit both embarks and disembarks in the same turn, and the Transport's capacity is never exceeded.

Am I missing something here?

I know this isn't game breaking or anything, but the one transport is kind of pulling double duty. Unit 2 gets a full regular ride, and Unit 1 gets sort of a "free boost" of almost 4" (4.5" if on 40 mm bases) toward where it wants to go.

[Edit: typo.]

Perfectly legal. The only restrictions is that a unit cannot disembark after the transport moves (which you didn't do) or a unit cannot disembark and embark in the same turn (which you didn't do). How many different units disembark or embark on a transport in a single phase is irrelevant as far as the rules are concerned.

Greywing wrote:
I know this isn't game breaking or anything, but the one transport is kind of pulling double duty. Unit 2 gets a full regular ride, and Unit 1 gets sort of a "free boost" of almost 4" (4.5" if on 40 mm bases) toward where it wants to go.

Perfectly legal. However, unless the transport can FLY, the transport then gets slowed by the unit that disembarked from it.

You could move the unit slightly to the side and let the transport go around, but it's still limiting your movement somewhat.

Both incorrect sadly due to Stepping Into A New Edition which changes the Transport rules:

Q. Can a unit that Advances or Falls Back embark within a transport? What about if the transport has moved before – can a unit still embark inside?
A. Yes, yes and yes (remember though that a transport cannot both embark and disembark units in the same turn).

Ignore the question posed but note the bit of the answer in parentheses.

the FAQ reads a bit like the plot of a terrible TV whodunnit where the ending is basically "remember this thing we never mentioned before"

personally wish you could split one unit between two transports (given the number of options for units of 11+ in armies with no larger transports...)

leopard wrote:
personally wish you could split one unit between two transports (given the number of options for units of 11+ in armies with no larger transports...)

Then one of the transports would move 12", hit a squig mine and get itself destroyed. Now you have a unit with half its models on the table and the rest of its models inside a transport 12" away. It would make a mess

 Bilge Rat wrote:

leopard wrote:
personally wish you could split one unit between two transports (given the number of options for units of 11+ in armies with no larger transports...)

Then one of the transports would move 12", hit a squig mine and get itself destroyed. Now you have a unit with half its models on the table and the rest of its models inside a transport 12" away. It would make a mess

note really, you note the transports need to stay within "x" of each other while so embarked and that a squad must fully disembark if any part disembarks.

one moves up and goes bang the other has to move up di disembark within coherency, job done

main point is to put 20 strong units of marines into rhinos

leopard wrote:

 Bilge Rat wrote:

leopard wrote:
personally wish you could split one unit between two transports (given the number of options for units of 11+ in armies with no larger transports...)

Then one of the transports would move 12", hit a squig mine and get itself destroyed. Now you have a unit with half its models on the table and the rest of its models inside a transport 12" away. It would make a mess

note really, you note the transports need to stay within "x" of each other while so embarked and that a squad must fully disembark if any part disembarks.

one moves up and goes bang the other has to move up di disembark within coherency, job done

main point is to put 20 strong units of marines into rhinos

A unit cannot embark on more than one transport.

Embark: If all models in a unit end their move within 3" of a
friendly transport, they can embark within it. Remove the unit
from the battlefield and place it to one side – it is now embarked
inside the transport.

 p5freak wrote:

leopard wrote:
main point is to put 20 strong units of marines into rhinos

A unit cannot embark on more than one transport.

He knows that, it was wishful thinking. Earlier he said:

leopard wrote:
personally wish you could split one unit between two transports (given the number of options for units of 11+ in armies with no larger transports...)

 JohnnyHell wrote:
Both incorrect sadly due to Stepping Into A New Edition which changes the Transport rules:

Q. Can a unit that Advances or Falls Back embark within a transport? What about if the transport has moved before – can a unit still embark inside?
A. Yes, yes and yes (remember though that a transport cannot both embark and disembark units in the same turn).

Ignore the question posed but note the bit of the answer in parentheses.

Huh. I always read that as a unit cannot embark on the transport and then immediately disembark. But the way the ruling reads, your interpretation is also perfectly valid - though I don't think this is the intention, since it's a parenthetical note while answering another question.

Yeah that was the BRB rule, but this statement in the SIANEdition FAQ really isn’t misinterpretable. I agree it’s probably not an elegant way to communicate a change but it is currently the rules. <shrugs>

It was meant to prevent the above. A unit embarking from 3" behind a transport (like a 7" land raider), then disembarking 3" out front and thus getting a huge movement boost.


Since you only embark at the end of your move now though, there was no need to add it really.

Yeah they should have written “the same unit” is that was the intent. Silly wording.